The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than ISIS

[Morose]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

No. (bolded part)

But proper knowledge and understanding of the Arabic language is required for a proper understanding of Islam, is it not?

Please elaborate where you disagree bro. جزاك اللهُ خيراً

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

But proper knowledge and understanding of the Arabic language is required for a proper understanding of Islam, is it not?

Please elaborate where you disagree bro. جزاك اللهُ خيراً

That's why you keep properly educated Ulema for Islamic advices. Knowledge about political aspects of islam and Shariah is necessary for the leader but for that we can have translations.

The most successful people like Japanese for example know only their mother language. It is an important concept that must be adopted by Bengali (even though I'm typing this in English).

Btw, none of the Sultans of Bengal spoke or knew Arabic, they spoke in Persian.

Also the most famous sultan of Bengal who was the one that conquered Arakan (Rakhine) was a hindu convert(hence a Bengali).

Jalaluddin Muhammad Shah (Bengali: জালালউদ্দীন মুহম্মদ শাহ; born as Yadu or Jadu[2]) was a 15th-century Sultan of Bengal and an important figure in medieval Bengali history. Born a Hindu to his aristocratic father Raja Ganesha, he assumed the throne of Bengal after a coup which overthrew the Ilyas Shahi dynasty. He converted to Islam and ruled the Bengal Sultanate for 16 years. As a Muslim king, he brought Arakan under Bengali suzerainty and consolidated the kingdom's domestic administrative centres. He pursued relations with the Timurid Empire, Mamluk Egypt and Ming China.[3] Bengal grew in wealth and population during his reign. He also combined Bengali and Islamic architecture.

[Linkdeutscher]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

no need to reply when no1's talking to you, when i need you, i'll blow the whistle.

I reply when I want to.

[imran1976]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Erm..... so back to the topic (sorry for slight deviation from the crux of discussion).

Anyone has any refutation of OP and post 431?

I first read the article I posted in post#431 back in, I think 2002, haven't seen any refutation since.

[Door]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

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[Door]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

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The most successful people like Japanese for example know only their mother language. It is an important concept that must be adopted by Bengali (even though I'm typing this in English).
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Japan's education system was modeled after the western educations system, Japanese government was model after the US government, English is one of the requirement classes in Japanese schools because it is considered the current world economic language. So might want to use a different example. Even Japan's economy is essentially molded after western economic practices

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Japan's education system was modeled after the western educations system, Japanese government was model after the US government, English is one of the requirement classes in Japanese schools because it is considered the current world economic language. So might want to use a different example. Even Japan's economy is essentially molded after western economic practices

Great job on totally missing the point. Also I'm not remotely interested in discussing anything with non-muslims. Don't quote me again, thanks in advance.

[Indefinable]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Allah blessed the Arabs with an additional virtue (in lineage), and he blessed those from Quraysh with an additional virtue, and he blessed those from Bani Hashim with an additional virtue.

https://sunnah.com/muslim/43/1

https://sunnah.com/urn/634660

Ultimately, we hear and we obey.

Yes, Alhamdulillaah.

:jkk:

[Door]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Great job on totally missing the point. Also I'm not remotely interested in discussing anything with non-muslims. Don't quote me again, thanks in advance.

All I am saying you might want to use a less westernized non-western nation as an example. China maybe?

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

All I am saying you might want to use a less westernized non-western nation as an example. China maybe?

My point was that I believe holding mother language as the sole language is very important for any self-respecting people. And the last time I checked Japs put quite a high importance for their own language much more than bengalis.

[noobz]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Japan's education system was modeled after the western educations system, Japanese government was model after the US government, English is one of the requirement classes in Japanese schools because it is considered the current world economic language. So might want to use a different example. Even Japan's economy is essentially molded after western economic practices

you meain kaizen , kanban , JIT , are all western economic practices?

no they're not btw.

Most japanese that i have met hardly speak any english , if its a requirement in schools , then they're failing pretty badly there.

[noobz]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

we hear and we obey

it depends what you're hearing , most molvi's here also make their followers hear and obey , which has resulted in things like halala , nikah misyar and what not being propagated on the basis of 'we hear and we obey'.

we do hear and obey , but we don't do it just cause you have 10 inch beard or a beautiful Qiraat or that you're an arab , hence we should give you a red carpet roll out.

[Abu Kamel]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

I first read the article I posted in post#431 back in, I think 2002, haven't seen any refutation since.

I dont have time to reply in depth. And quite frankly, the argument of the anti Arab sufis doesnt appear to be looking for Haqq in this matter. Rather, they appear to be seeking any advantage or angle to incite hatred of believers to regain power for the "sufi masters" who run the world from a cave outside of Makka!

Thus, one can find today the sufi turuq working with and in alliance with the Tawaghit powers and murtad regimes in the Muslim world ( sufis endorsed Sisi calling him a "sufi" like them), and that includes them begrudgingly working with the Saudi hypcrite and murtad regimes against believers.

[imran1976]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

I dont have time to reply in depth. And quite frankly, the argument of the anti Arab sufis doesnt appear to be looking for Haqq in this matter. Rather, they appear to be seeking any advantage or angle to incite hatred of believers to regain power for the "sufi masters" who run the world from a cave outside of Makka!

Thus, one can find today the sufi turuq working with and in alliance with the Tawaghit powers and murtad regimes in the Muslim world ( sufis endorsed Sisi calling him a "sufi" like them), and that includes them begrudgingly working with the Saudi hypcrite and murtad regimes against believers.

Okay ......:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping::zzz::zzz::zzz :

[Abu Kamel]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Okay ......:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping::zzz::zzz::zzz :

I noticed you have returned after many years away. And yet you don't offer any guidance for the Muslim Ummah in the future.

Do you call for a khilafa rashida?
Do you oppose fasad even if it's done by sufi masters or desis?
Do you oppose the regional power of a hindutva led India? Or do you support it, secretly hoping the Hindus take over Arabia from the Arabs?

Or is there no point in any dialogue with you, as you may "dialogue" with kufar but have only mockery and spite for Muslims?