The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than ISIS

[Spicen]

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Regarding the OP, what is typically missing is a glimpse at the reality of the Muslim world and Ummah of Muhammad in the time of shaykh Abdul Wahhab (rh), and more over, who is was accountable for the state of affairs in that time.

Because the judgments of the shaykh and th subsequent actions o his followers were in general, valid attempts to address the reality.

It should be raised that many of the sufi orders were accountable for the situation of the Muslim Ummah, from worshiping the dead and grave worship, to widespread practice of Sihr, to accepting kufr rule and laws. In their worst status, all of these were kufr akbar.

Atleast unlike other salafists, you recognize that what is mentioned in the OP is true. Kudos for honesty.

Non-salafists reading this, take note.

[abufulaans]

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Atleast unlike other salafists, you recognize that what is mentioned in the OP is true. Kudos for honesty.

Non-salafists reading this, take note.

Yes like most salafis, it's well know he fought grave worshippers
Most just don't know the details

[imran1976]

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No one is alive in their Graves as the Shariah recognizes life. Otherwise, we would be ordered to dig them up and open their Graves to free them!
Because death has touched them, then the Shariah has guided us how to address and act towards those beloved noble pious predecessors who we love.

If you true love those pious beloveds who have passed before us, then one should seek to be like the best of them and act according to what Allah has revealed and not seek other than that, going astray into misguidance and extremism.

Death will never come to the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in his grave, rather he will remain alive, due to the fact that the Prophets remain alive in their graves

[noobz]

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Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) states: “Death will never come to the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in his grave, rather he will remain alive, due to the fact that the Prophets remain alive in their graves” (Fath al-Bari, 17/22).

i remember a certain somebody showed a salafi on this forum his place and he couldn't respond back. Even among salafi's , intercession is a bidah , not shirk , yet modern day salafi's claim its shirk and put the stamp of mushrik on the people.

No wonder these ibn abdul wahab descendands of najd used to kill women and children.

Just look at their whole tawhid dawah which is built on the blood of the final caliphate, all so that they could allign with the british kuffar and give them the treasures of the muslims and use tawhid as the excuse.

[noobz]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Atleast unlike other salafists, you recognize that what is mentioned in the OP is true. Kudos for honesty.

Non-salafists reading this, take note.

najdi's were super brave people , killing women and children on the basis they were mushriks.

no wonder most of them have settled in the UK/US under the kuffar just to show how much they detest the mushriks.

[Spicen]

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najdi's were super brave people , killing women and children on the basis they were mushriks.

no wonder most of them have settled in the UK/US under the kuffar just to show how much they detest the mushriks.

Love for white Christians, hatred for muslim to the point of genocide (on basis of "mushriks").

What do you call that again? I think I need help remembering.

[Talwaar]

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Eid Mubarak guys

Let's drop this debate/fight/argument for today and remember Allah and His Deen

[noobz]

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Love for white Christians, hatred for muslim to the point of genocide (on basis of "mushriks").

What do you call that again? I think I need help remembering.

whats funny is, op is quoting sources such as ibn bishr which all salafis should know about who he was , yet you see them whining and attacking op instead of the evidence he brought from their own books.

why don't they argue on the sources? ... at least theres one salafi here whos acknowledging that wahabi's used to do this on the basis that those people were 'mushriks' , hence the women and children and every other random muslim under the sun deserved to be slaughtered.

Its a good thing isis is down the gutter , those fools were just following their teacher and would have gutted every muslim cause they didn't put their hands on the right part of their body while praying.

[Spicen]

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whats funny is, op is quoting sources such as ibn bishr which all salafis should know about who he was , yet you see them whining and attacking op instead of the evidence he brought from their own books.
why don't they argue on the sources? ... at least theres one salafi here whos acknowledging that wahabi's used to do this on the basis that those people were 'mushriks' , hence the women and children and every other random muslim under the sun deserved to be slaughtered.

Its a good thing isis is down the gutter , those fools were just following their teacher and would have gutted every muslim cause they didn't put their hands on the right part of their body while praying.

Not sure if this will explain:

Most of the salafists who complain are 'first stage' salafists who only know that ibn Abdul Wahab fought against "grave worship" and nothing else. These salafists are usually very political types and pan-islamist types (a bit like Abu Mubarak I guess) hency why they are in full denial mode. Since they are usually 'good' muslims just trying to practice 'proper islam' they can't reconcile that their beloved Shaykh and his movement did what he did.

Final stage salafists like Abu Kamel, abu julaybeeb, etc on the other are final stage ones who know of these events and they not only acknowledge this but are quite proud of it.

[imran1976]

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Not sure if this will explain:

Most of the salafists who complain are 'first stage' salafists who only know that ibn Abdul Wahab fought against "grave worship" and nothing else. These salafists are usually very political types and pan-islamist types (a bit like Abu Mubarak I guess) hency why they are in full denial mode. Since they are usually 'good' muslims just trying to practice 'proper islam' they can't reconcile that their beloved Shaykh and his movement did what he did.

Final stage salafists like Abu Kamel, abu julaybeeb, etc on the other are final stage ones who know of these events and they not only acknowledge this but are quite proud of it.

You explained it well ......:up:

[Abu julaybeeb]

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Final stage Lol what is this dragon ball z

[mazuiz]

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Final stage Lol what is this dragon ball z

"Behold! .. My final form!!!!!!!"

[Abu Kamel]

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Death will never come to the blessed Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in his grave, rather he will remain alive, due to the fact that the Prophets remain alive in their graves

The sahaba :RA: agreed to bury the Prophet where he died, as the family of th Prophet witnessed his death. Thus, he was buried where he died.
It is mandatory that a Muslim believe he died.
As for his state in death, it is like all the Anbiyaa who died, they are similar to life, but are NOT alive as Shariah defines it, with physiological needs.

As for what you attribute to Ibn Hajar, I doubt it. I take the Ijma as Sahaba and the witness of Abu Bakr :RA: and the best generation and those who follow them over what you quoted.

[Abu Kamel]

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As for the implication that being a 'final stage salafist' is somehow 'not good', this reflects the kind of heresy and corruption your ilk are inclined towards.

You devise arbitrary criteria separate from Ahkam Sharaa to judge those who you oppose and harbor envy, jealousy, spite towards. And as you cannot refute the Haqq, you attempt personal attacks. Like the liar, slanderer scandalmonger Bidrohi who dared to attack my beloved daughters, two who he will never touch and are pure and destined for Jannah.

Instead of condemning the Citadel massacre of 1811ce, sufi orders lined up to serve the kafir ruler of Misr, a ruler the Ottomans conceded to and the British advised, and endorse his kufr modernization. This is the legacy of how sufi orders have remained as main supporters of the kufr modern Egypt.

[Spicen]

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Final stage Lol what is this dragon ball z

Very funny.

I don't want to argue on Eid. But salafis make similar remarks towards Sufis, such as first stage, second stage or third stage Sufis. Although you don't have any problem for that.