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  • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

    Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
    Are they alive in their graves? Why are they seeking help from someone other than Allah? It's kind of common sense this is grave worship.
    The question was not directed to you.

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    • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

      Originally posted by Spicen View Post
      The question was not directed to you.
      Good answer to avoid exposing ur beliefs. :applause:
      "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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      • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

        Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
        Good answer to avoid exposing ur beliefs. :applause:
        You really think I give a starting damn, you damn jester.

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        • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

          Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
          Are they alive in their graves? Why are they seeking help from someone other than Allah? It's kind of common sense this is grave worship.
          Yes son. Haqq
          If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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          • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

            Originally posted by Spicen View Post
            You really think I give a starting damn, you damn jester.
            Calm down.
            If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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            • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

              Originally posted by Spicen View Post
              You really think I give a starting damn, you damn jester.
              Name calling? You can better that that Spicen.
              "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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              • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                You really think I give a starting damn, you damn jester.
                Anyways didn't you say your family considered you extreme? You seem like you'd fit perfectly well in the subcontinent? Bring about daleel for your statements instead of name calling.
                "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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                • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                  Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
                  Those shrines, mausoleum, tombs, risen graves should not have been erected

                  Grave worship is worshiping the graves of the deceased ... and includes various practices associated with that

                  True statement.

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                  • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                    I don't know much about the original poster's beliefs.

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                    • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                      The fithna of grave worship is an evil that is crippling our ummah... You have all these Moulanas who claim to be God-men who these gullible people go to in search of blessing... and then they also sit in tombs where a dead person with a decorated grave sit... and these gullible people believe that these dead people and these moulanas can benefit them...

                      They do not have any daleel to prove anything, rather it is a forced cultural practice inherited from the Jews, Christians and Pagans.

                      Allah the eternal, the all powerful is the only one who could benefit you or harm you.. So turn to Allah not some dead stinking/ decomposed corpse sitting 6 feet below the earth which could neither harm you nor benefit you

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                      • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                        No one is alive in their Graves as the Shariah recognizes life. Otherwise, we would be ordered to dig them up and open their Graves to free them!
                        Because death has touched them, then the Shariah has guided us how to address and act towards those beloved noble pious predecessors who we love.

                        If you true love those pious beloveds who have passed before us, then one should seek to be like the best of them and act according to what Allah has revealed and not seek other than that, going astray into misguidance and extremism.
                        Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
                        " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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                        • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                          Regarding the OP, what is typically missing is a glimpse at the reality of the Muslim world and Ummah of Muhammad in the time of shaykh Abdul Wahhab (rh), and more over, who is was accountable for the state of affairs in that time.

                          Because the judgments of the shaykh and th subsequent actions o his followers were in general, valid attempts to address the reality.

                          It should be raised that many of the sufi orders were accountable for the situation of the Muslim Ummah, from worshiping the dead and grave worship, to widespread practice of Sihr, to accepting kufr rule and laws. In their worst status, all of these were kufr akbar.
                          Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
                          " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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                          • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                            The uthmani khilafa/sultan appointed Muhammad Ali Pasha as commander of the Uthmani force to deliberate Misr, and then as Wali of Misr. MAP instituted kufr laws and systems with the help of the British enemy. And MAP was a bektashl/alevi shii which placed him outside of Islam. And yet, sufi orders accepted andobeyed him and his kufr systemization of Misr because he also empowered them through official recognition.
                            Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
                            " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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                            • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                              Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                              The uthmani khilafa/sultan appointed Muhammad Ali Pasha as commander of the Uthmani force to deliberate Misr, and then as Wali of Misr. MAP instituted kufr laws and systems with the help of the British enemy. And MAP was a bektashl/alevi shii which placed him outside of Islam. And yet, sufi orders accepted andobeyed him and his kufr systemization of Misr because he also empowered them through official recognition.
                              Worse still, the main Sufi orders accepted MAP and his kufr treachery in order to be in power in Misr.
                              They accepted the 1811 ce Citdel massacre of Mamluk Sunnis which left a void of Sunni leadership which MAP filled by selecting and officially recognizing certain suit orders, like Shadli, Rifai, Bedouni! Etc. and these Sufi orders accepted it all.

                              So who are the sufis today and what do they stand for?
                              Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
                              " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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                              • Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                                Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                                The uthmani khilafa/sultan appointed Muhammad Ali Pasha as commander of the Uthmani force to deliberate Misr, and then as Wali of Misr. MAP instituted kufr laws and systems with the help of the British enemy. And MAP was a bektashl/alevi shii which placed him outside of Islam. And yet, sufi orders accepted andobeyed him and his kufr systemization of Misr because he also empowered them through official recognition.
                                The entire Janissary order was Bektashi Sufis. The order was expelled by Mahmud II, who wanted to westernize the turkish army.

                                And no, there's a difference between the bektashis and qizilbashis (Turkish alevis).

                                Ottoman persecution of Alevis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoma...der_.281826.29
                                Last edited by Spicen; 01-09-17, 06:07 AM.

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