The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than ISIS

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Whatever man u cant deny the ottamans didnt put tombs on top of graves and increased grave worshipping and sufi traditions

Thanks for the laugh. It really did cheer me up.

Also Ottomans were pure sufis right from the start and intercession from the Prophet(S), saints, etc is something they did right from the beginning. It didn't suddenly happen from nowhere.

Either way I can see you don't have a mind of your own, you're programmed by your shaykhs or whatever people you hang out with.

[Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

So it was sarcasm?

?

[Abu julaybeeb]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Thanks for the laugh. It really did cheer me up.

Also Ottomans were pure sufis right from the start and intercession from the Prophet(S), saints, etc is something they did right from the beginning. It didn't suddenly happen from nowhere.

Either way I can see you don't have a mind of your own, you're programmed by your shaykhs or whatever people you hang out with.

I dont blindly follow any sheiks

And yes i dont have an in depth knowledge of ottamons
But if they took intercession from the prophet thats kufr right there so thats enough

[Talwaar]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Is this authentic?

What say you about the fact that most scholars also consider Umar ibn Abdul Aziz as a legitimate caliph?

And what about 12 quraysh caliph hadiths?

The 12 caliph hadith is mutafak alayh. But its understanding is up to debate. Ulema of the past had differing views and some said they don't really know what is meant by it.

The hadith I quoted is graded as hasan sahih by Albany.

There is another hadith in musnad Ahmad that mentions khilafat then kingship then a more tyrannical kind of kingship then khilafat again.

[Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

I dont blindly follow any sheiks

And yes i dont have an in depth knowledge of ottamons
But if they took intercession from the prophet thats kufr right there so thats enough

He has a thing against Salafis now.

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

I dont blindly follow any sheiks

And yes i dont have an in depth knowledge of ottamons
But if they took intercession from the prophet thats kufr right there so thats enough

Good for you.
[MENTION=129404]Bidrohi Ronoklanto[/MENTION] - did I introduce you to our "bengali" friend Abu Julaybeeb. If you think Saif was bad, this guy is next level.

[Talwaar]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Whatever man u cant deny the ottamans didnt put tombs on top of graves and increased grave worshipping and sufi traditions

They did but they were not the only ones to engage in this practice.

They are of course wrong to do this.

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

He has a thing against Salafis now.

I have a "thing" against crazed takfir machines programmed with Shirk-dows 10 and run with Intel i9 processor.

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

They did but they were not the only ones to engage in this practice.

They are of course wrong to do this.

What is grave worship?

[Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Testing

[Abu julaybeeb]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

I have a "thing" against crazed takfir machines programmed with Shirk-dows 10 and run with Intel i9 processor.

Takfiris?

So if someone commits shirk,
Commits kufr kufr akbar its all good?

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Takfiris?

So if someone commits shirk,
Commits kufr kufr akbar its all good?

Don't quote me again. I'm not at all interested.

Sorry for quoting you before, I genuinely thought it as a joke, hence I thanked you for making me laugh.

[Talwaar]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

What is grave worship?

Those shrines, mausoleum, tombs, risen graves should not have been erected

Grave worship is worshiping the graves of the deceased ... and includes various practices associated with that

[Spicen]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

Those shrines, mausoleum, tombs, risen graves should not have been erected

Grave worship is worshiping the graves of the deceased ... and includes various practices associated with that

I see. So seeking intercession from the 'deceased' of such tombs constitutes 'grave worship.'

[ServantofArRahman]

Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

I see. So seeking intercession from the 'deceased' of such tombs constitutes 'grave worship.'

Are they alive in their graves? Why are they seeking help from someone other than Allah? It's kind of common sense this is grave worship.