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    Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

    Originally posted by Spicen View Post
    Are you asking my opinion or scholars?

    I hold the opinion that non-quraysh/non-arab can also be caliph based on his merits.

    However, this opinion is heretical, so don't take my opinion in this subject.
    Im asking if the opinion is regarding Arabs in general or the Quraysh tribe in particular
    How dare they challenge me with their primitive skills? They're just as good as dead

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      Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

      Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
      Which Ottoman king committed shirk to the level that took him out of Islam?
      I dont know specific names all i know is they committed kufr akbar

      Also some ottomans changed the shariah which is kufr

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        Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

        Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
        I dont know specific names all i know is they committed kufr akbar
        Also some ottomans changed the shariah which is kufr
        :rotfl:

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          Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

          Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
          I dont know specific names all i know is they committed kufr akbar

          Also some ottomans changed the shariah which is kufr
          Unless you provide proof then I suggest you avoid these accusations.

          I'm sure you're aware of the usool of takfeer.
          How dare they challenge me with their primitive skills? They're just as good as dead

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            Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

            Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
            Im asking if the opinion is regarding Arabs in general or the Quraysh tribe in particular
            Quraysh tribe in particular.

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              Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

              Originally posted by Spicen View Post
              Are you asking my opinion or scholars?

              I hold the opinion that non-quraysh/non-arab can also be caliph based on his merits.

              However, this opinion is heretical, so don't take my opinion in this subject.
              How is it heretical?
              You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

              You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                How is it heretical?
                Go to telegram and check the thread that i posted. You'll understand what's going on
                If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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                  Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                  Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                  Quraysh tribe in particular.
                  This is based on a hadith that has been subject to scholarly debate

                  But the point is that the actual khilafat ended before the Ottomans and the other dynasties came about
                  How dare they challenge me with their primitive skills? They're just as good as dead

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                    Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                    Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
                    This is based on a hadith that has been subject to scholarly debate

                    But the point is that the actual khilafat ended before the Ottomans and the other dynasties came about
                    Yes

                    After the rashidun khilafah, it was all kingdoms afaik
                    If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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                      Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                      Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
                      I dont know specific names all i know is they committed kufr akbar
                      Man this is straight out of classical salafi comedy

                      "I don't know what shirk/kufr was committed all I know they committed kufr akbar."

                      :rotfl:

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                        Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                        Originally posted by Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī View Post
                        Yes

                        After the rashidun khilafah, it was all kingdoms afaik
                        Abu Dawud

                        حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَوْنٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، عَنِ الْعَوَّامِ بْنِ حَوْشَبٍ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ جُمْهَانَ، عَنْ سَفِينَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ خِلاَفَةُ النُّبُوَّةِ ثَلاَثُونَ سَنَةً ثُمَّ يُؤْتِي اللَّهُ الْمُلْكَ مَنْ يَشَاءُ - أَوْ مُلْكَهُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ - ‏"‏ ‏.‏



                        Safinah reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying:
                        The caliphate of Prophecy will last thirty years; then Allah will give the Kingdom to whom he wishes; or his kingdom to whom he wishes.
                        How dare they challenge me with their primitive skills? They're just as good as dead

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                          Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                          Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                          Man this is straight out of classical salafi comedy

                          "I don't know what shirk/kufr was committed all I know they committed kufr akbar."

                          :rotfl:
                          Whatever man u cant deny the ottamans didnt put tombs on top of graves and increased grave worshipping and sufi traditions

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                            Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                            Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
                            Whatever man u cant deny the ottamans didnt put tombs on top of graves and increased grave worshipping and sufi traditions
                            Yes you are right
                            If following Aḥmad makes me a 'Wahhābī', then I declare that I am one.

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                              Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                              Originally posted by Talwaar View Post
                              Abu Dawud

                              حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَوْنٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، عَنِ الْعَوَّامِ بْنِ حَوْشَبٍ، عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ جُمْهَانَ، عَنْ سَفِينَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ خِلاَفَةُ النُّبُوَّةِ ثَلاَثُونَ سَنَةً ثُمَّ يُؤْتِي اللَّهُ الْمُلْكَ مَنْ يَشَاءُ - أَوْ مُلْكَهُ مَنْ يَشَاءُ - ‏"‏ ‏.‏



                              Safinah reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying:
                              The caliphate of Prophecy will last thirty years; then Allah will give the Kingdom to whom he wishes; or his kingdom to whom he wishes.
                              Is this authentic?

                              What say you about the fact that most scholars also consider Umar ibn Abdul Aziz as a legitimate caliph?

                              And what about 12 quraysh caliph hadiths?

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                                Re: The original Najdi/ Wahhabi movement was more extreme in bloodshed & Takfir than

                                Originally posted by Abū ʿĪsa al-ʿAjamī View Post
                                Go to telegram and check the thread that i posted. You'll understand what's going on
                                So it was sarcasm?
                                You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                                You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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