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  • Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

    Your still slandering me?

    I already told you that posting lol was a mistake on my part, I should have checked the profile to see if it's a sister.

    However posting lol doesn't mean I was flirting with anyone.

    Dirty individuals like you should be booted asap,
    Brother it's a troll its like they feed on attention
    just report and ignore inshaAllah the mods will ban soon (though they do seem pretty inactive these days)
    The sunnah is like the ark of Noah, whoever embarks upon it reaches salvation and whoever refuses is drowned.
    ~ Imam Malik (may Allah have mercy on him)

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    • Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post

      Brother it's a troll its like they feed on attention
      just report and ignore inshaAllah the mods will ban soon (though they do seem pretty inactive these days)
      That troll has gone haywire akhi, he's making wild baseless Takfir, about time the mods boot him.

      ​​​​​​Jazakallahu khair akhi
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      "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

      – Imam al-Shafi’i (Rahimahullah)

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      • Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

        Your still slandering me?

        I already told you that posting lol was a mistake on my part, I should have checked the profile to see if it's a sister.

        However posting lol doesn't mean I was flirting with anyone.

        Dirty individuals like you should be booted asap,
        So now you are twisting the evidence after you first denied you even committed a sin?

        Shame on you! You are proof of how true Muslims are being lead astray by Murtads and Innovators like yourself.

        Do you still deny the clear evidence against you? Are you now changing your tune by denying you ever knew the poster was female?

        We're not going to fall for your lies Saif ul Haraam. You are like Abdullah ibn Saba, here to lead us astray with your deception and challenging of what is Halaal/Haraam.

        Dirty Murtads and fornicators like you should be removed from this forum. You bring your filthy mindset here and flirt with females whilst spreading lies and challenging the Quraan/Shariah with your own interpretations.

        There is evidence of this as well.

        mods need to act asap on this.

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        • Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post

          Brother it's a troll its like they feed on attention
          just report and ignore inshaAllah the mods will ban soon (though they do seem pretty inactive these days)
          Are you defending this Murtad who was caught committing zinaa and then denying it with clear evidence against it?

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          • Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post

            That troll has gone haywire akhi, he's making wild baseless Takfir, about time the mods boot him.

            ​​​​​​Jazakallahu khair akhi
            There is proof of you giving your own interpretation of what constitutes zinaa. That is a sign of a Murtad. You should leave this forum and go practise your 'lol'ing with non-mahrams elsewhere.

            What a disgrace to have imitators of Abdullah ibn Saba in our presence, like this Saif ul Haraam.

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            • Originally posted by trisquel View Post

              There is proof of you giving your own interpretation of what constitutes zinaa. That is a sign of a Murtad. You should leave this forum and go practise your 'lol'ing with non-mahrams elsewhere.

              What a disgrace to have imitators of Abdullah ibn Saba in our presence, like this Saif ul Haraam.
              Another lie,

              I didn't give my own interpretation at any point in time.

              There are hadith talking about Zina of the eyes, limbs etc.

              Good that a dirty Slanderer like you got booted,



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              "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

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              • Sheik Islam is one of the greatest scholars ever, sure maybe in some issues other scholars have a better thought process,

                but sheik al-islam is a good litmus test. You just know anyone who doesn't respect the sheik is either an idiot coco or just a flat out idiot.
                Stop being apologetic to Kuffars!

                If I don't engage with you or reply to any of your question, it's likely because I find you racist and a total waste of time.

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                • 1) I use to think Ibn Taymiyyah was a great scholar of Islam due to Sheikh Anwar Awlaki(may Allah have mercy on him and his family):

                  A) At that time, if a Muslim came to me and said that he had a different view of Ibn Taymiyyah, I would have verified it:

                  A) I would have never used bad manners towards that Muslim: https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/li...islam-reminder

                  B) Alhamdulillah, Allah has given me a critical thinking ability as well as good manners:

                  C) But as for the favor of your Lord, report [it]. (Surah 93:11).

                  2) There are two main reasons why I hate Ibn Taymiyyah. The first reason is the reason why he went to prison. He had an anthropomorphic view of Allah:

                  A) It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. (Surah 3:7)

                  3) The second reason: He claimed that Muhammad(peace be upon him) received revelation from Satan:

                  A) May Allah curse him for insulting the Messenger of Allah.

                  4) To the worshipers of Ibn Taymiyyah, die in your rage:

                  A) Say, "Die in your rage. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of that within the breasts." (Surah 3:119): http://legacy.quran.com/3/119

                  B) They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. (Surah 9:31).

                  C) The Day their faces will be turned about in the Fire, they will say, "How we wish we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger." And they will say, "Our Lord, indeed we obeyed our masters and our dignitaries, and they led us astray from the [right] way. (Surah 33:66-67).

                  5) To the Muslims, please verify:

                  A) O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. (Surah 49:6).
                  Last edited by OneLifeResults; 21-12-17, 05:29 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by OneLifeResults View Post
                    1) I use to think Ibn Taymiyyah was a great scholar of Islam due to Sheikh Anwar Awlaki(may Allah have mercy on him and his family):

                    A) At that time, if a Muslim came to me and said that he had a different view of Ibn Taymiyyah, I would have verified it:

                    A) I would have never used bad manners towards that Muslim: https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/li...islam-reminder

                    B) Alhamdulillah, Allah has given me a critical thinking ability as well as good manners:

                    C) But as for the favor of your Lord, report [it]. (Surah 93:11).

                    2) There are two main reasons why I hate Ibn Taymiyyah. The first reason is the reason why he went to prison. He had an anthropomorphic view of Allah:

                    A) It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. (Surah 3:7)

                    3) The second reason: He claimed that Muhammad(peace be upon him) received revelation from Satan:

                    A) May Allah curse him for insulting the Messenger of Allah.

                    4) To the worshipers of Ibn Taymiyyah, die in your rage:

                    A) Say, "Die in your rage. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of that within the breasts." (Surah 3:119): http://legacy.quran.com/3/119

                    B) They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. (Surah 9:31).

                    C) The Day their faces will be turned about in the Fire, they will say, "How we wish we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger." And they will say, "Our Lord, indeed we obeyed our masters and our dignitaries, and they led us astray from the [right] way. (Surah 33:66-67).

                    5) To the Muslims, please verify:

                    A) O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. (Surah 49:6).
                    Asalamu Alaikum

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                    ​​​​​​There is nothing haram about believing in the satanic verses incident, the early scholars believed in it with no qualms. If you don't believe in it (I certainly don't), fine, but don't make it seem like it's blasphemous, it's only blasphemous if you use this incident in a specific context.

                    As for anthropomorphism, he may have come close to it, but saying he was upon it is a little bold to say.

                    Anyway, no scholar is perfect. They all have good and bad.

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                    • Originally posted by dsr478 View Post

                      Asalamu Alaikum

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                      ​​​​​​There is nothing haram about believing in the satanic verses incident, the early scholars believed in it with no qualms. If you don't believe in it (I certainly don't), fine, but don't make it seem like it's blasphemous, it's only blasphemous if you use this incident in a specific context.

                      As for anthropomorphism, he may have come close to it, but saying he was upon it is a little bold to say.

                      Anyway, no scholar is perfect. They all have good and bad.

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                      1) Subhanallah, you do not see anything wrong with saying Muhammad(peace be upon him) received revelation from Satan?

                      A) Subhanallah, here you are defending Ibn Taymiyyah while you thrown the honor of the Messenger of Allah behind your back.

                      B) Please think: https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/li...nking-reminder

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                      • Originally posted by OneLifeResults View Post

                        1) Subhanallah, you do not see anything wrong with saying Muhammad(peace be upon him) received revelation from Satan?

                        A) Subhanallah, here you are defending Ibn Taymiyyah while you thrown the honor of the Messenger of Allah behind your back.

                        B) Please think: https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/li...nking-reminder
                        You don't seem to understand the Satanic verses incident.

                        According to the story, Satan caused the mushrikeen to hear the verses differently to how they were recited by Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him). Ibn Kathir mentions this in his Tafsir. It was the mushrikeen who Satan deceived, not An Nabi (Peace Be Upon Him).
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                        This isn't my view alone, other scholars say the same about Ibn Taymiyyah. A simple Google search or opening a book will do you some good.


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                        • Originally posted by dsr478 View Post

                          You don't seem to understand the Satanic verses incident.

                          According to the story, Satan caused the mushrikeen to hear the verses differently to how they were recited by Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him). Ibn Kathir mentions this in his Tafsir. It was the mushrikeen who Satan deceived, not An Nabi (Peace Be Upon Him).
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                          This isn't my view alone, other scholars say the same about Ibn Taymiyyah. A simple Google search or opening a book will do you some good.


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                          1) The scholars of hadiths like Bukhari actually narrate this incident without mentioning anything about Satan. Rather, they say that the Mushrikeen prostrated due to the beauty of the Quran. Sadly, the mushrikeen reversed themselves just like the People of Ibrahim(peace be upon him):

                          A) So they returned to [blaming] themselves and said [to each other], "Indeed, you are the wrongdoers." Then they reversed themselves, [saying], "You have already known that these do not speak!" (Surah 21:64-65).

                          B) Ibn Kathir(may Allah have mercy on him) was in the same shoes as them.

                          2) Furthermore, there is no point in continuing this discussion with you since you refuse to verify what Ibn Taymiyyah(may Allah curse him) actually said about Muhammad(peace be upon him):

                          A) Please verify that and remember the honor of the Messenger of Allah when you do that:

                          B) "And to Allah belongs [all] honor, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites do not know." : http://legacy.quran.com/63/8

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                          • 5) To the Muslims, please verify:
                            Yes, everyone should verify. This is very true.



                            Originally posted by OneLifeResults View Post

                            3) The second reason: He claimed that Muhammad(peace be upon him) received revelation from Satan:
                            Can you provide the Arabic text from his works where he claimed that?
                            Watch those eyes

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                            • For a person who was preaching verification what was asked should not have been hard....

                              I guess some people just cannot practice what they preach.
                              Watch those eyes

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                              • Originally posted by Abdell View Post
                                Sheik Islam is one of the greatest scholars ever, sure maybe in some issues other scholars have a better thought process,

                                but sheik al-islam is a good litmus test. You just know anyone who doesn't respect the sheik is either an idiot coco or just a flat out idiot.
                                Every time that seems to be the case.
                                Watch those eyes

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