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    #31
    Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

    Originally posted by Moddi View Post
    They summon jinns by doing these rituals, my granddad did this and i do not suggest anyone to do it as it both dangerous and you cant tell who will be summoned. They will fool you!

    There are alot of rules regarding this and many people will end up doing it wrong and hurt themselves or family by doing so. Just go play an ouiji board it will give u faster respond ;);)
    Does Ouiji board really work? :O
    I thought it was a joke..
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      #32
      Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

      Originally posted by Moddi View Post
      They summon jinns by doing these rituals, my granddad did this and i do not suggest anyone to do it as it both dangerous and you cant tell who will be summoned. They will fool you!

      There are alot of rules regarding this and many people will end up doing it wrong and hurt themselves or family by doing so. Just go play an ouiji board it will give u faster respond ;);)
      Anyone who is a magician or does black magic is a kaafir and has commited a nullifier of islam and has to stop and make taubah to become muslim again

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        #33
        Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

        Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
        Whats this wet hair thing never heard of it
        One of the bidah that I;ve heard of that if you sleep with wet hair then it's easier for the jinn to possess you.

        Just one of a very long list of things I've heard of that have no foundation in the sunnah at all.

        Some things like going out alone at night have some foundation in the sunnah but have become confabulated with other things or twisted around.

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          #34
          Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

          Originally posted by Moddi View Post
          They summon jinns by doing these rituals, my granddad did this and i do not suggest anyone to do it as it both dangerous and you cant tell who will be summoned. They will fool you!

          There are alot of rules regarding this and many people will end up doing it wrong and hurt themselves or family by doing so. Just go play an ouiji board it will give u faster respond ;);)
          Does not matter how you do the rituals ONLY shayiteen show up, whether they are big,little strong,weak knowledgeable or ignorant, it will be ONLY shayiteen that appear,good believing(Muslim) jinn don't engage in magic just like good believing human muslims don't practice magic.

          there is Ijma that anyone who practices magic is a kaffir as Abu Julaybeeb has mentioned.

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            #35
            Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

            Originally posted by Aetos View Post
            Does Ouiji board really work? :O
            I thought it was a joke..
            Yes,even many kuffar who use them can attest to this.

            Google Zozo phenomenon.

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              #36
              Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

              Originally posted by Samsandman View Post
              One of the bidah that I;ve heard of that if you sleep with wet hair then it's easier for the jinn to possess you.

              Just one of a very long list of things I've heard of that have no foundation in the sunnah at all.

              Some things like going out alone at night have some foundation in the sunnah but have become confabulated with other things or twisted around.
              This I have never heard of.

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                #37
                Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
                Anyone who is a magician or does black magic is a kaafir and has commited a nullifier of islam and has to stop and make taubah to become muslim again
                I did not say they are magicians or doing black magic.

                This ritual is not for becoming a magician nor to do black magic. Although the magicians do this but they do it in a different way.

                Here you are not doing shirk, ur not doing anything except doing duas and azkar, you repeat a certain zikr or aya so many times to get "knowledge, karamaat, superpowers etc" many different stories about these rituals. Mostly people summon the jinn that protects that aya,zikr, name etc and will be tested. I have heard different stories about these and i dont like it, i have been offered to do it but refused. When my granddad did it, he had to cancel it (which is not a good thing) as he was doing it with his neighbour who failed his and lost his mind and then disappeared.

                A magician should be killed when sighted, those morons destroys lives and they lost their right to exist in this world.

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                  #38
                  Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                  Originally posted by Samsandman View Post
                  Does not matter how you do the rituals ONLY shayiteen show up, whether they are big,little strong,weak knowledgeable or ignorant, it will be ONLY shayiteen that appear,good believing(Muslim) jinn don't engage in magic just like good believing human muslims don't practice magic.

                  there is Ijma that anyone who practices magic is a kaffir as Abu Julaybeeb has mentioned.
                  Please say "Allahu yalam" instead of proving the point to be 100% proven. No Samsandman, not only shaytaans will show up. There are muslim jinns out there fighting for the sake of Islam, some are even more than us humans. Jinn world is more complex than ours.
                  If i threaten you Samsandman with two or three members of your family (i have kidnapped them and if i see u, they will die), will you not forfil the task i give you? Muslim jinns have been caught up in this aswell. i bet if not more than 50% of all the muslim humans in the world, if u hold leverage over them they will surrender and tell you exactly what u wanna hear.

                  Muslim jinn have fought wars with humans? Did they or did they not follow our prophet saw? Hear him recite? There are more evidence than this. Beside many muslim jinns are fighting against sihr and kufr.

                  This ritual that im speaking of, its not a ritual for magic. They do this to get closer to Allah (i know, i dont like the way they do it either). There are magicians who does the same but they do not recite the quran nor zikr nor allahs name. Rather they stay in a really filthy place and they do kufr, until a shaytaan approach them to forfil their needs. (Jinns can be summoned if you know their names, the real one not the one we been told from other humans)

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                    #39
                    Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                    Originally posted by Moddi View Post
                    Please say "Allahu yalam" instead of proving the point to be 100% proven. No Samsandman, not only shaytaans will show up. There are muslim jinns out there fighting for the sake of Islam, some are even more than us humans. Jinn world is more complex than ours.
                    If i threaten you Samsandman with two or three members of your family (i have kidnapped them and if i see u, they will die), will you not forfil the task i give you? Muslim jinns have been caught up in this aswell. i bet if not more than 50% of all the muslim humans in the world, if u hold leverage over them they will surrender and tell you exactly what u wanna hear.

                    Muslim jinn have fought wars with humans? Did they or did they not follow our prophet saw? Hear him recite? There are more evidence than this. Beside many muslim jinns are fighting against sihr and kufr.

                    This ritual that im speaking of, its not a ritual for magic. They do this to get closer to Allah (i know, i dont like the way they do it either). There are magicians who does the same but they do not recite the quran nor zikr nor allahs name. Rather they stay in a really filthy place and they do kufr, until a shaytaan approach them to forfil their needs. (Jinns can be summoned if you know their names, the real one not the one we been told from other humans)

                    Angels have fought wars with humans,the battle of Badr is a prime example when Allah awj sent 1000 angels to help the muslims.
                    What is your daleel than jinn have fought with humans?

                    You need to read your Quran as calling upon the jinn is clearly shirk and there is Ijma on this.

                    but don't take my word for it ask ANY legit alim or imam and they will say the same.

                    you have serious problem with you aqeedah that needs immediate attention and rectification.

                    not my favorite website to quote but read the link below
                    https://islamqa.info/en/10518

                    By your statements I'm 99% sure your from the Sub continent as that is the only region I've ever heard this mix of Islam and outright shirk akbar being practiced or coming from.

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                      #40
                      Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                      Originally posted by Simply_Logical View Post
                      :salams:

                      why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                      :jkk:
                      I'm not lol, but my mum is terrified of the mere mention of them, it's cause some person in her hometown got possessed by one and acted all crazy before he got some help.

                      I think I might have even had one in my old house, there were a bunch of the alleged "signs" (I say alleged cause I don't know it they're really signs or not). I saw shadow like creatures moving or just hovering near me (would even wake up at and saw them watch over me as I laid in my bed, but I didn't really care and went back to sleep everytime), electricity acted faulty, bugs were everywhere (huge spider and roach infestation) and the thought of praying Salah in certain parts of my house just terrified me, every time I'd go there my mind was like "nope let's pray somewhere else". I also heard some strange noises. One time, in the middle of the night I woke up and ran towards what I thought was the creature, but on approach there was nothing there.

                      I think it might have just been that whole sleep paralysis thing, but I dunno.

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                        #41
                        Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                        Originally posted by Samsandman View Post
                        Angels have fought wars with humans,the battle of Badr is a prime example when Allah awj sent 1000 angels to help the muslims.
                        What is your daleel than jinn have fought with humans?

                        You need to read your Quran as calling upon the jinn is clearly shirk and there is Ijma on this.

                        but don't take my word for it ask ANY legit alim or imam and they will say the same.

                        you have serious problem with you aqeedah that needs immediate attention and rectification.

                        not my favorite website to quote but read the link below
                        https://islamqa.info/en/10518

                        By your statements I'm 99% sure your from the Sub continent as that is the only region I've ever heard this mix of Islam and outright shirk akbar being practiced or coming from.
                        I answered your previous questions with respect, you did not even care to answer my direct question towards you. Fine, as you wish, let me do the same to you as you did to me.

                        What is your daleel about it being only shaytaan showing up?

                        The link you sent me has nothing to do with what i said. Do you even know the difference between Jinn, shaytaan, afrit, marid, ghoul etc?
                        What you sent me is regarding to that men seek help from the jinn, to cause damage or benefit from the jinn. You kinda let your mind go too far with your thoughts.
                        Obviously you only believe what you see infront of you which could be good but also makes you doubt everything in life. Inshallah one day you will wake up and see wider.
                        You have never heard or seen of muslim jinn assist raqis, patient and fighting magicians, shaytaan. (psst, they do it for free without anything in return, because even they have jihad and earns good deeds) Maybe if you become nicer Allah might send you one

                        And no im not from Sub continent areas. And im not mixing Islam with shirk, i have no clue where you ever got the feeling i did. Please dont let your anger frustrate you.

                        I feel like you actually think im agreeing to this kind of ritual? Are you jumping over the lines and just reading what you wanna read to so u can start an argument? Please read everything i wrote again and understand that i do not recommend it at all.

                        Originally posted by Moddi View Post
                        They summon jinns by doing these rituals, my granddad did this and i do not suggest anyone to do it as it both dangerous and you cant tell who will be summoned. They will fool you!

                        There are alot of rules regarding this and many people will end up doing it wrong and hurt themselves or family by doing so. Just go play an ouiji board it will give u faster respond ;);)
                        See that post? Im not gonna link you everything to disprove you but believe me you understood me entire wrong.

                        If you want me to blow your mind, please answer this specific question: "Can jinn possess humans?" Then give me a daleel which states that the jinn can possess/live inside of a humans with a soul already taken that body!

                        What i told you earlier about grandad etc, im not following his footsteps, as i said, i have been offered the ritual, i refused it. I know the whole thing is haram. (im smarter than you think i am)

                        From the book: The Jinn and human Sickness, Chapter 1 : The beliefs of the people of
                        Tawheed
                        Another cause of the jinn gaining power over people is what some people do of reciting innovated Wirds and Dhikrs,
                        for which Allaah has not revealed any authority.

                        Some people sit alone in a darkened room, repeating a
                        Verse or one of the Names of Allaah in an innovated
                        manner, for a specific length of time, reciting it a
                        certain number of times, and they think that this Verse
                        or this Name has a servant, so they seek his help and
                        call upon him, but they do not get up from their place
                        before the devils have come to him and possessed him.
                        Editing in the link for the book so you can read it at page 77: http://www.masjidalathar.org/en_The_...n_Sickness.pdf

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                          #42
                          Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                          seriously? this is a pretty well established.


                          A young man is studying with a sheikh who deals with jinn in order to treat the possessed people and those suffering from spells. This young man knew about this recently. Should he stop learning from this sheikh and leave the place? Bearing in mind that he has only few months left to complete his Qura’anic studies with him. What is the ruling on seeking knowledge through this sheikh and what is the ruling on the alms given to this student by his sheikh?.
                          Published Date: 2008-02-12
                          Praise be to Allaah.
                          Firstly:

                          Dealing with the jinn is a serious issue, and is a door that leads to evil and mischief; how often have people are affected by this evil? It is sufficient for you to know that shirk only came to mankind through them. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, telling us how Allaah taught His slaves: “ ‘I have created all My slaves with the inclination to worship Me alone, but the devils come to them and turn them away from their religion. They forbid to them that which I have permitted to them, and they tell them to associate others with Me for which I have not sent down any authority.’” Narrated by Muslim (2865).

                          There are believers and Muslims among the jinn, and also kaafirs and evildoers. But the fact that they are concealed from man means that we cannot be sure about any one of them, and gives us cause for concern about their tricks and treachery, especially with the spread of ignorance and bid’ah (innovation), which is the harbinger of shirk. Usually these creatures make man fall into that which is haraam, and bring only a little benefit.

                          Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                          “And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the males among the jinn, but they (jinn) increased them (mankind) in sin and transgression”

                          [al-Jinn 72:6]

                          Hence the fatwas of the scholars state that it is haraam to deal with the jinn at all – whether with the believers or the kaafirs among them – and it is essential not to take this matter lightly, so as to close the door to fitnah and confusion, and out of concern for those who have faith in Allaah.

                          It says in al-Insaaf by al-Mardaawi (10/351):

                          “As for the one who claims to have power over the jinn and claims that he can summon them and they obey him, he should not be denounced as a kaafir or executed, but he should be given a ta’zeer punishment.” He should be given a severe ta’zeer punishment that should not reach the extent of execution, according to the correct view of our madhhab; and it was said that his ta’zeer punishment may reach the extent of execution. End quote.

                          It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (14/18):

                          As for seeking help from anyone other than Allaah, it is either from humans or from the jinn. If it is seeking help from the jinn, then this is forbidden and it may be shirk and kufr. “And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the males among the jinn, but they (jinn) increased them (mankind) in sin and transgression” [al-Jinn 72:6].

                          Shaykh al-Albaani said in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (hadeeth no. 2760):

                          This also includes some who appear outwardly to be righteous treating people by means of that which they call “spiritual medicine (al-tibb al-roohaani)”, whether that is in the ancient manner by contacting his qareen or jinn companion – as they used to do during the Jaahiliyyah – or it is done by means of what they call “summoning the spirits”. Similar to that in my opinion is hypnotism. All of these are means that are not acceptable in sharee’ah, because they all boil down to seeking the help of the jinn who were the cause of the mushrikeen going astray as it says in the Holy Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning):

                          “And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the males among the jinn, but they (jinn) increased them (mankind) in sin and transgression”

                          [al-Jinn 72:6]

                          The claims of some of those who seek their help, that they only seek the help of the righteous among them, are false claims, because they usually cannot mix with them and live with them in ways that will show whether they are righteous or not. We know from experience that most of the humans with whom you keep company turn out not to be good friends. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                          “O you who believe! Verily, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you (who may stop you from the obedience of Allaah); therefore beware of them!”

                          [al-Taghaabun 64:14]

                          This has to do with people who can be seen, so what do you think about the jinn, concerning whom Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                          “Verily, he [Shaytaan] and Qabeeluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them” [al-A’raaf 7:27]? End quote.

                          We have previously quoted fatwas from the scholars on this topic, in the answers to the following questions: 10518, 11114 and 78546.

                          Secondly:

                          The first thing that the seeker of knowledge must do is to choose trustworthy scholars, people who are religiously-committed, trustworthy and pious. He should only acquire knowledge from those who are qualified, and those who are truly qualified are those who have the knowledge and act upon it, by obeying Allaah and adhering to His laws and commands. The teacher has the greatest effect on the student, so he should have the quality of fear of Allaah (taqwa).

                          It was narrated that Ibraaheem al-Nakha’i said:

                          When they came to a man to acquire knowledge from him, they would look at his character, his prayer and his situation, then they would take knowledge from him. Al-Jaami’ li Akhlaaq al-Raawi (1/127).

                          The scholars stated that this is especially important with regard to learning the Qur’aan.

                          Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Tibyaan fi Adaab Hamalat al-Qur’aan (p. 13):

                          It should not be learned except from one who is fully qualified and whose religious commitment is apparent, whose knowledge is proven to be sound and whose piety is well known. Muhammad ibn Sireen, Maalik ibn Anas and others among the salaf said: This knowledge has to do with religion, so look to whom you take your religion from. End quote.

                          Al-Zarnooji (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Ta’leem al-Muta’allim (p. 7):

                          He should choose the most knowledgeable, the most pious and the oldest, as Abu Haneefah chose Hammaad ibn Abi Sulaymaan after much thinking and consideration, and he said: I found him to be a patient, forbearing and dignified old man. End quote.

                          Ibn Jamaa’ah al-Kinaani said in his book Tadhkirah al-Saami’ wa’l-Mutakallim (p. 133):

                          The seeker of knowledge should look and pray istikhaarah, asking Allaah for guidance concerning the one from whom he will take knowledge and learn good attitude and manners; if possible he should be one who is fully qualified, and is proven to be kind, compassionate and chivalrous, and who is well known for his chastity and piety, and who is well versed and has deep understanding.

                          The student should not continue to learn when there is a shortcoming in (the teacher’s) piety or religious commitment, or his attitude is not good. It was narrated from one of the salaf: This knowledge has to do with religion, so look to whom you take your religion from.

                          If you explore the lives of the earlier and later generations, you will find that the student usually only benefits and succeeds if the Shaykh is clearly sincere towards his students.

                          Even if you look at books, you will find that you will benefit from books authored by those who are more pious and have less interest in worldly gains. End quote.

                          Thirdly:

                          Our advice to this seeker of knowledge is to leave this teacher who uses the services of the jinn – if there is certain proof of that – and he should not learn anything from him of knowledge, attitude or religion. That is the most cautious approach, to be on the safe side, if he is able to make up what he has missed and complete his studies with a Shaykh who follows the Sunnah and is righteous.

                          But if there are no righteous people in his city who can do that for him, then what we think is that he should complete the short time that remains of his studies, if the situation is as described and he only uses the jinn for treating those who are bewitched or sick, and he is not known to practice sihr (witchcraft) or harm the Muslims, or transgress against their wealth or honour. The basic principle according to the scholars is that one may be pardoned for continuing that which one may not be pardoned for starting. Although we would tell a seeker of knowledge not to begin studying with a Shaykh who follows bid’ah, or who is obviously deviant in his knowledge or action, in cases such as this, there is a concession allowing him to continue these studies until he finishes, especially since the remaining time is very short, and especially since he cannot find an alternative teacher in his city who is a righteous follower of the Sunnah.

                          But what we have said here should also be balanced against the fact that this Shaykh may be following the opinion of those who say that it is permissible to employ the jinn with regard to permissible matters, such as those mentioned in the question; he may be excused for following that (weak) view and in that case we cannot say that he is a follower of bid’ah (innovation) or is misguided.

                          Although some of Ahl al-Sunnah are of this view, the correct view is that which we mentioned first of all, which is that it is forbidden to employ the services of the jinn at all. But the correct view concerning the issue is one thing, and finding an excuse for those who follow a weaker view is something else.

                          Fourthly:

                          Our advice concerning the charity is also to try to do without it, and always look for ways of earning a living by yourself, without falling short in seeking knowledge or spending all your time and effort in seeking a living. Rather you should be moderate and refrain from taking that which is in people’s hands (i.e., by earning your living by your own efforts), and strive to learn about issues of religion, and thus you will attain the pleasure of Allaah.

                          The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever follows a path seeking knowledge, Allaah will make a path to Paradise easy for him.” Narrated by Muslim (2699).

                          But if a seeker of knowledge cannot earn enough to live on and he has no choice but to accept charity given by this teacher, there is no sin on him, in sha Allaah, if he takes it.

                          And Allaah knows best.

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                            #43
                            Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                            Samsandman, you are a good writer but a very bad reader. Your entire post has nothing to do with what i said nor what the questions i asked you.

                            Its good to be stubborn about things, but please either admit that you misunderstood me or did not read the post correct. Read my post again and read yours, all you said has nothing to do with my post.

                            Im sadly akhi but everything you basically wrote about i already know. You have yet not proved something to me which i did not know of. I feel like you wanna win this argument so badly that your willing to keep going for ages.

                            Just to spice it up a bit ;)

                            Look we did benefit from shaytaan:


                            Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3275
                            In-book reference : Book 59, Hadith 84
                            Narrated Muhammad bin Sirin:

                            Abu Huraira said, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) put me in charge of the Zakat of Ramadan (i.e. Zakat-ul-Fitr). Someone came to me and started scooping some of the foodstuff of (Zakat) with both hands. I caught him and told him that I would take him to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)." Then Abu Huraira told the whole narration and added "He (i.e. the thief) said, 'Whenever you go to your bed, recite the Verse of "Al-Kursi" (2.255) for then a guardian from Allah will be guarding you, and Satan will not approach you till dawn.' " On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "He told you the truth, though he is a liar, and he (the thief) himself was the Satan."
                            anyways, no point in continuing this argument as your not willing to read what im writing and respond accordingly.

                            May Allah help us against our enemies. (satan that is, dont get me wrong again)

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                              #44
                              Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                              Originally posted by Moddi View Post
                              I used to be afraid of this alot in my younger days, i used to worry alot by it but believe me when i say, do not worry at all about it because its very rare that they appear infront of a muslim like that. Jinn is afraid of going in this kind of state due to them being vulnerable, they can easily be killed, faster than a human can be killed.

                              I have confronted jinns to appear in front of me many times, different ones aswell. They do not do it knowing they will be harmed. They say "im not stupid".

                              If you ever counter a jinn appearing in front of you, never use tools or knifes to kill it! (they might not be the one you see, could be your own brother/sister, playing your mind)

                              What to do if it happens:

                              1. Never stop looking at him/her, do not blink as they will not be able to leave until you blink (as they are fast)
                              2. Get close and touch the "human person" whilst you recite Al Qursi or any other ayah which comes to your mind.


                              Most of the times a human tells you "i saw a jinn" its actually the jinn possessing the person who let him see someone being there although its just an image inserted into the mind. (no one there)

                              I know no human being will be thinking about these steps once they see the jinn and not blinking will be hard but at least try and do not fear the jinn as they fear you even more.
                              Ive only seen images in my imagination or i only watch a whole variety of images sometimes made out of nothingness when my eyes are closed there like gifs as well but never through my eyes have i seen an object that doesent belong there its like they cant show you an alien through thier eyes making it appear as if a human standing there because thier using your brains hell i cant even picture something thats totally not there and make it there


                              Your attitude could send you to heaven your attitude could send you to hell
                              Sometimes my mind goes blank i think insane and then post shaytan :FACT



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                                #45
                                Re: why are so many people scared of the jinn?

                                When i was in mid teens i used to think God will protect me and thats not a beef to worry about y worry i cant see it pure confidence butnow i kno all it takes is a few screws missing to continue a downward spiral


                                Your attitude could send you to heaven your attitude could send you to hell
                                Sometimes my mind goes blank i think insane and then post shaytan :FACT



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