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  • #46
    Re: Exposing Taweez...

    Originally posted by Umm_Hanzalah View Post
    Alhamdulillah.

    Brother, just to let you know even if you think Quranic taweez is permissible, that is certainly not Quran, it's better you dispose of it using ruqyah water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QvC7T2EGBs

    https://www.facebook.com/ruqyainlondon/?fref=nf Watch that first video. Clearly even in that previous video you can see that people are afflicted and they are wearing these things that can do nothing for them, it will only harm you.
    Oh and one more thing, on the last thread, which was removed by the mods, you posted a youtube video in which an imam/scholar explains the different types of black magic and its effects. Can you give me the link, i want to make an addition to the dajjal thread that I update, thanks.

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    • #47
      Re: Exposing Taweez...

      Originally posted by Umair-Khan-0888 View Post
      I've watched the video before, you posted that last time. Like I said last time, its best to leave this debate to Islamic scholars, however I just wanted to point out that a major Islamic movement (the deobandi movement ) allow the use of taweez even if they appear wierd like some of the ones shown in the video.

      Besides the two other taweez I posted in that thread here is another one from another major madrassa

      Jamia Binoria : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamia_Binoria

      I went to karachi for my cousins wedding and they took me to this madrassa, here is what they gave me for help against black magic

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]82526[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]82527[/ATTACH]

      Notice how it has the grid, although its less weird than the other one. I haven't started using this one cause the other one seems to be working for me.
      Like I said that, I just wanted people to know that there is a major Islamic movement allows for the use of taweez, and what they look like. And its likely that the imam's in the videos posted on this thread would reject them as shirk.
      so if the taweez seems clearly weird and you cant understand it why risk even using it?
      i mean the Qur'anic verses are clear so why should a taweez that claims to have just Qur'an in it not be clear?

      also for arguments sake if its just Qur'anic verses why would someone need to go to a scholar to get one when they could just print one out themselves?

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      • #48
        Re: Exposing Taweez...

        May my lord give me more patience and better character against the people who openly practice shirk and lie against the prophet and say its his religion and openly lie against the shabas.
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        • #49
          Re: Exposing Taweez...

          10 ـ الذِّكْرُ عِنْدَ الْخُرُوجِ مِنَ الْمَنْزِلِ

          اللَّهُمَّ إِنِّي أَعُوذُ بِكَ أَنْ أَضِلَّ، أَوْ أُضَلَّ، أَوْ أَزِلَّ، أَوْ أُزَلَّ، أَوْ أَظْلِمَ، أَوْ أُظْلَمَ، أَوْ أَجْهَلَ، أَوْ يُجْهَلَ عَلَيَّ
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          • #50
            Re: Exposing Taweez...

            ‘O Allah, I take refuge with You lest I should stray or be led astray, or slip or be tripped, or oppress or be oppressed, or behave foolishly or be treated foolishly.’
            slip: i.e. to commit a sin unintentionally

            May Allah forgive us and my brother that translated this should of used the word ignorant and not foolishly - but he translated it after only 3 years of Arabic studying in Saudi.
            Last edited by startingarabic; 21-02-16, 12:49 AM.
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            • #51
              Re: Exposing Taweez...

              Originally posted by Simply_Logical View Post
              so if the taweez seems clearly weird and you cant understand it why risk even using it?
              i mean the Qur'anic verses are clear so why should a taweez that claims to have just Qur'an in it not be clear?

              also for arguments sake if its just Qur'anic verses why would someone need to go to a scholar to get one when they could just print one out themselves?
              This.

              If you can recite yourself and write Quran yourself, why do you need to go to these people?

              Quran is not meant to be in grids anyway. It's one of the ways in which magicians disrespect the Quran and Allah's names. Magicians use Quran but in ways that are disrespectful or contrary to how we see in the mushaf.

              Also, it seems a section of deobandis are misguided who are doing this. They work with jinn who they call Muwakkil, Muslim jinn. This is not allowed and we have no way of knowing if the jinn are really who they claim to be. I'm pretty sure not all of them believe in these things.
              Last edited by Umm_Hanzalah; 21-02-16, 11:05 AM.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVEydn3RKk

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              • #52
                Re: Exposing Taweez...

                I was just looking at their official site.

                http://binoria.org/about-us/

                Here, if you look under, 'Specialization in Islamic Jurisprudence', they have Astrology under it. Astrology is not an Islamic science, this is related to the occult

                I wonder if [MENTION=105052]Darul Ilm[/MENTION] can shed more light on this institution.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVEydn3RKk

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                • #53
                  Re: Exposing Taweez...

                  Originally posted by Umm_Hanzalah View Post
                  I was just looking at their official site.

                  http://binoria.org/about-us/

                  Here, if you look under, 'Specialization in Islamic Jurisprudence', they have Astrology under it. Astrology is not an Islamic science, this is related to the occult

                  I wonder if [MENTION=105052]Darul Ilm[/MENTION] can shed more light on this institution.
                  That's another thing I wanted to know, about astrology. From what I know, they also find numerology acceptable. The problem is that I'am forcing a discussion on this topic while not knowing much about the position that I'am defending. I guess a part of me wants this to be discussed so I can better understand my position.

                  But if this gets too heated than I'll stop, I told myself not to get involved in ummah forum arguments...but somehow I'am always drawn to this forum. And like I said, a genuine argument can only take place if its between scholars, not laymen. I'll try to end this here..

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                  • #54
                    Re: Exposing Taweez...

                    No - The shatian is fouling you -

                    The Sahabas -ibn umar- would not give saalam to people who disbelieved in qadar - no discussion on deen with the filth of qadar - and you want to discuss worse shirk and accept it in your religion - you to your way (religion) and...
                    Ali would not take a quranic verse from the khawrag and you want to discuss shirk.

                    This is our religion - the Quran and Sunnah - we do not discuss - we are like Ibraeem - Aslim and we have islamed to the lord of the world -

                    Has the jinn possessed you with your taweez to this level??!!
                    If you not on Quran and Sunah go to hell and leave me alone. No Kuffar, no Shia, no Mushrik Barelvis, no rejecters of hadith (even for your mathab) & no other deviants. :up:
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                    • #55
                      Re: Exposing Taweez...

                      Originally posted by Umair-Khan-0888 View Post
                      That's another thing I wanted to know, about astrology. From what I know, they also find numerology acceptable. The problem is that I'am forcing a discussion on this topic while not knowing much about the position that I'am defending. I guess a part of me wants this to be discussed so I can better understand my position.

                      But if this gets too heated than I'll stop, I told myself not to get involved in ummah forum arguments...but somehow I'am always drawn to this forum. And like I said, a genuine argument can only take place if its between scholars, not laymen. I'll try to end this here..
                      Leaving your akihra in the hands of 'scholars'.

                      Subhanallah.

                      How blind can people be.
                      You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                      You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Exposing Taweez...

                        Originally posted by startingarabic View Post
                        No - The shatian is fouling you -

                        The Sahabas -ibn umar- would not give saalam to people who disbelieved in qadar - no discussion on deen with the filth of qadar - and you want to discuss worse shirk and accept it in your religion - you to your way (religion) and...
                        Ali would not take a quranic verse from the khawrag and you want to discuss shirk.

                        This is our religion - the Quran and Sunnah - we do not discuss - we are like Ibraeem - Aslim and we have islamed to the lord of the world -

                        Has the jinn possessed you with your taweez to this level??!!
                        His best argument is that Deoband is a 'major Islamic movement'.

                        Little does he know about the kufr and shikr they have filled their books with, this little taweez drama is nothing compared to what you will find in their beautiful books.
                        You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                        You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Exposing Taweez...

                          Quran a guidance and a cure OR Shirk Taweez...Your choice what to pick.

                          Point 1
                          Is the quran not a cure?
                          That Allah says
                          And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place. 41:44

                          These people are taking the mick out of taweez believers. And some are hard core blind followers as well

                          Masi Shareefan Or Taweez - Very Funny Story By Maulana Tariq Jameel
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSjHT5OxuRo
                          What Islam says about Black Magic and Amulets (taweez)? Dr Zakir Naik
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVveqippFQ
                          Taweez....In Islam !!! - urdu
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmeU0whWv5Q
                          This 1 really funny – some1 explained it to me in English
                          Taveez Ghanda...Kya hai iski Islam mein Haisiyat by Sheikh Mearaj Rabbani (full video)
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGKL4jorog

                          Point 2
                          The Deobandi's allow the use of taweez. – Dont ram Deobandi down my throat. They are not my prophet. Where is Deobandi or Taweez in the Quran.

                          Point 3
                          My brother studied 4 years in a madrassa and he gave hadiths that proved that even the sahaba's used taweez.
                          Dont lie against the Sahabas
                          - Ibn Mas'ud (May Allah be pleased with him) was among those who disapproved it –
                          Last edited by startingarabic; 21-02-16, 01:53 PM.
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                          • #58
                            Re: Exposing Taweez...

                            CHAPTER No: 8
                            Ruqa (incantation), Talismans and Amulets
                            Narrated Abu Bashir Al-Ansari (May Allah be pleased with him):
                            He was in the company of Allah's Messenger (May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon
                            him) on one of his journeys, Allah's Messenger (May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon
                            him) sent a messenger ordering: "There shall not remain any necklace of bowstring or any other
                            kind of necklace round the necks of camels except it is cut off' (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
                            Ibn Mas'ud (May Allah be pleased with him) narrated that he heard Allah's Messenger (May
                            the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) saying:
                            "Ar-Ruqa, At-Tama'im and At-Tiwalah are all acts of Shirk (polytheism)," (Musnad Ahmad;
                            Abu Dawud)
                            At-Tama'im is the act of putting an amulet around the necks of children to save them from the
                            effects of evil eye! If the amulet contains the verses of the Qur'an or Allah's Names or Attributes
                            then it is allowed by some ancestors and disallowed by some. Ibn Mas'ud (May Allah be pleased
                            with him) was among those who disapproved it,
                            Ar-Ruqa or Al-Aza'im is the act of reciting incantations, charm etc. Those are allowed in
                            which there is no trace of Shirk (polytheism), Prophet Muhammad (May the peace and blessing of
                            Allah be upon him) has permitted it in case of being bitten by poisonous insects or disturbed
                            under the effect of an evil eye, At-Tiwalah (bewitchment) is something done by those who claim
                            they can cause a woman to be more beloved by her husband or vice-versa.
                            Abdullah bin Ukaim narrated the following Marfu’ Hadith:
                            "Whoever uses, attaches or wears a talisman to himself, will have that talisman put in charge
                            of him" (Ahmad & Trimidhi)
                            Ahmad reported the tradition of Ruwaifi' (May Allah be pleased with him) who said that
                            Allah's Messenger (May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said to him:
                            "O Ruwaifi', it may be that you will live a longer time after me, so inform people that
                            whoever ties a knot in his beard, places any string or cord around the neck (as a charm), or cleans
                            himself (after toilet) with animal dung or bone, then Muhammad (May the peace and blessing of
                            Allah be upon him) has disowned him (has nothing to do with him)."
                            Sa'id bin Jubair said:
                            "Whoever cut an amulet or talisman from anyone, it would be equal to liberating a slave."
                            It was Waki', who recorded it and he reported from Ibrahim Nakh'i that they used to dislike
                            every type of amulets and talismans whether that contained the verses of Qur'an or anything else,
                            [They were the companions of Abdullah bin Mas'ud (May Allah be pleased with him)
                            Important issues of the Chapter
                            1) Explanation of incantations (Ar-Ruqa) and amulets (At- Tama'im).
                            2) Explanation of bewitchment (At-Tiwalah).
                            3) That all the three above-mentioned are acts of Shirk without exception.
                            4) Reciting an incantation (Ruqyah), using words of truth, for seeking protection from evil eye or
                            scorpion bite is not like Shirk.
                            5) Ulama have different opinions about using the amulets containing the verses of Qur'an.
                            6) Putting on necklaces on animals against evil eye amounts to committing Shirk.
                            7) Anyone tying the bowstring (or committing such practices) has been warned of severe
                            punishment.
                            8) The reward of a person who cuts off an amulet of someone.
                            9) The statement of Ibrahim Nakh'i that early Muslims used to avoid amulets whether it contained
                            Qur'anic verses or anything else is not contradictory as the reference here is to the
                            companions of Abdullah bin Mas'ud (May Allah be pleased with him).
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                            • #59
                              Re: Exposing Taweez...

                              Originally posted by startingarabic View Post
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                              The Deobandi's allow the use of taweez. – Dont ram Deobandi down my throat. They are not my prophet. Where is Deobandi or Taweez in the Quran.

                              Why, the Deobandis who believe in Wahdatul Wujood of course.
                              You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                              You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Exposing Taweez...

                                Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                                Leaving your akihra in the hands of 'scholars'.

                                Subhanallah.

                                How blind can people be.
                                Better than leaving it in the hands of laymen on the Internet

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