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  • #91
    Originally posted by TheHaqq View Post

    It's just strange how Jinn only affect the weakest people in superstition ridden societies.....please tell someone in Morroco to send a Jinn to attack Bashar Al Asad, do the Jinn have nothing better to do than attack the most superstitious Muslims?

    Ibn Hazm: “Such things are not possible except to the weak minds of the elderly…that he (the devil) can speak using someone’s tongue is senility and clear insanity; we seek protection in God from deception and affirming superstitions.”

    Do go ahead and explain exactly what you saw, it sound very similar to the exorcism that Christians and many other religions claim.

    If the devils amongst the Jinns possessed Bashar Al Assad, he may seek a cure and repent from his wrong doings after going through rukya, zikr, tilawat e Quran etc. Why would satan try to save him by showing himself in an apparent form? He is not possessed by jinns but it's worse actually, he has followed every evil thought satan had whispered in his breast. He is living in deception

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Eskandar View Post


      If the devils amongst the Jinns possessed Bashar Al Assad, he may seek a cure and repent from his wrong doings after going through rukya, zikr, tilawat e Quran etc. Why would satan try to save him by showing himself in an apparent form? He is not possessed by jinns but it's worse actually, he has followed every evil thought satan had whispered in his breast. He is living in deception
      If what you are saying is true, then why would a devil possess a Muslim if it knows that Muslims will use Quran and do more Dua to Allah? Such an experience (by your standards) would bring a possessed Muslim closer to Islam, therefore defeating the aim of the Devils is the first place - to move people away from Islam into kufr.

      Devil possession/exorcism is something that almost every society in history has claimed, when Christians say that their people have been possessed by devils (the have exactly the same symptoms as jinn possession) and "Jesus Christ" comes and cures them and they claim to almost suddenly get better, why do you reject their testimonies?

      Something isn't adding up here...

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      • #93
        Originally posted by TheHaqq View Post

        If what you are saying is true, then why would a devil possess a Muslim if it knows that Muslims will use Quran and do more Dua to Allah? Such an experience (by your standards) would bring a possessed Muslim closer to Islam, therefore defeating the aim of the Devils is the first place - to move people away from Islam into kufr.

        Devil possession/exorcism is something that almost every society in history has claimed, when Christians say that their people have been possessed by devils (the have exactly the same symptoms as jinn possession) and "Jesus Christ" comes and cures them and they claim to almost suddenly get better, why do you reject their testimonies?

        Something isn't adding up here...

        Jinn Possession doesn't have to be dramatic, it can also be a Jinn who places doubts in the hearts of a Muslim to drive them away from Islam, we obviously have the free will to act upon it or to follow the chain of thought the jinn insinuates. This is actually the worst form of Jinn Possession. Now you might say, this happens to people who are not possessed, but the key thing here is the intensity and the frequency. Mental health is like physical health in a lot of ways, when you deviate from the norm, something is wrong.

        Now to your second point, people can also stray from the right path if they are possessed. Especially, if they can cause the person to doubt in the power of God or for him/her to seek help from magicians, which is fairly common these days. It's not a black and white situation, jinns can essentially know everything about us since our birth by asking the devil that is accompanying us from the time of our birth. Call it intelligence or experience, some Jinns are thousand of years old and they know human psychology really well. The Devil and his cronies are so good at decieving people and groups that God had to send 124000 Prophets to guide groups/Mankind back to truth.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Eskandar View Post


          Jinn Possession doesn't have to be dramatic, it can also be a Jinn who places doubts in the hearts of a Muslim to drive them away from Islam, we obviously have the free will to act upon it or to follow the chain of thought the jinn insinuates. This is actually the worst form of Jinn Possession. Now you might say, this happens to people who are not possessed, but the key thing here is the intensity and the frequency. Mental health is like physical health in a lot of ways, when you deviate from the norm, something is wrong.

          Now to your second point, people can also stray from the right path if they are possessed. Especially, if they can cause the person to doubt in the power of God or for him/her to seek help from magicians, which is fairly common these days. It's not a black and white situation, jinns can essentially know everything about us since our birth by asking the devil that is accompanying us from the time of our birth. Call it intelligence or experience, some Jinns are thousand of years old and they know human psychology really well. The Devil and his cronies are so good at decieving people and groups that God had to send 124000 Prophets to guide groups/Mankind back to truth.
          Yes but then Jinn possession is just a case of severe wasawah, which even I don't disagree with, read up on what typical Jinn possession is by even big scholars like Ibn Taymiyyah, that's what I'm referring to here.

          Yes but seeking help from magicians isn't always bad, there was a concept called white magic in the past, the whole issue of magic and why it's kufr is a topic on it's own (again it doesn't make sense if we look at the majority modern view). Jinn possession would not make one doubt the power of God, if anything it would make them affirm it if Ruqya actually worked and removed the Jinn, such a supernatural event would increase ones Eman.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by TheHaqq View Post
            ...seeking help from magicians isn't always bad, there was a concept called white magic in the past, the whole issue of magic and why it's kufr is a topic on it's own (again it doesn't make sense if we look at the majority modern view)...
            Huh?

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            • #96
              Originally posted by TheHaqq View Post

              That's the thing, they never seem to possess people in power, muslim or non muslim, or anyone who does not believe in them.

              They just have a thing for village folks or people who believe in them, what a coincidence.
              Who told you rulers can't be possesed? Do you know alot of rulers personally to confirm or deny this? Alot of Freemasons and even wizards are possessed themselves.

              It seems like you have a hollywood kind of image of possession. As if someone has to be in a state of posession 24/7 and his own characyer is totally deleted...

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              • #97
                Maybe as a little offtopic, but unwillingly to open a new topic,

                Some doubt in posession maybe because of many "testimonies" that people do not get cured.

                Quranic ruqya (against shaytan, sahirs, diseases and similar) is well known both from primary sources and convinced as very effective in real life by muslims and non muslims, being recited by all schools or to say even some sects in islam, but some, minority, muslims reported that they were not cured despite very long recitations.

                Maybe the testimonies were not sincere.

                Someone can have also a fake nick.

                It is easy.

                Also some unorthodox "islamic" spiritualist do a lot of dhulm, make life harder instead of easier, do kind of deeds worse than killing, repeatedly and repeatedly again against some other credd of islam or non muslims.

                Maybe the reciter person has some deeni or even dunya misconduct issues and her dua/recitation is week.
                Maybe he/she is just alone against packs of sahirs, maybe 10-20 that love dhulm and dhulumat, opression, lies, blackmailing, cursing to muslims islamic values and even naudhubillah Allah, prophets etc.-but respecting "great leaders-that destroyed every tariqah", hardship etc.
                Maybe a great, great wonder is required to make things right in some cummunities if you are alone. Maybe to find friends among non muslims to help to work together for humanity.

                Islam is perfect, but, some "muslims" are among worst creatures.

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