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    In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Is hijra compulsary.

    I mean not all wives can be teachers and nurses and of course due to fitna,should the couple do hijrah...to a land where a wife can be at home and husbands work is enough to survive..

    We see so many instances sisters say men dont do their job properly and they are forced to work

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    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Very interesting, here its already hard to get through the month if both work, and i cant come up with a job that is actually halal for a woman... also if she works anf then has to put her kids in daycare i dont see the use, i mean i really wanna raise my own children...

    Its something that i think about a lot too
    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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      #3
      Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

      Men cant control what they will earn, this was pre-determined.
      What we can control in what we spend.
      A smaller house/car etc will do just fine.

      Contentment is key

      There are exceptions though.

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        #4
        Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

        Originally posted by muzzybee View Post
        Is hijra compulsary.

        I mean not all wives can be teachers and nurses and of course due to fitna,should the couple do hijrah...to a land where a wife can be at home and husbands work is enough to survive..

        We see so many instances sisters say men dont do their job properly and they are forced to work
        1st I would question reason for dual income? Isn't in Islam husband's duty to provide for his wife and children ?
        Maybe they need to reduce standards of living. Do we really need bigger and better Dunyah, making him things even harder, Subhana'Allah.
        Hijra isn't cheap either...

        What about beautiful example of Fatima ra and Ali ibn talib ra.

        It was narrated from ‘Ali [رضى الله عنه], “Fatimah [رضى الله عنها] complained about the pain caused to her hand by the mill, and some prisoners had been brought to the Prophet [صلّى الله عليه و سلّم], so she went but did not find him, but she met A’ishah and told her.
        When the Prophet [صلّى الله عليه و سلّم] came, A’ishah told him about Fatimah coming to her. The Prophet*came to us, and we had gone to bed. We started to get up, but the Prophet*[صلّى الله عليه و سلّم] said: “Stay where you are.” Then he sat between us, until I could feel the coolness of his foot on my chest. Then he said:“
        “Shall I not teach you something better than what you asked for? When you go to your bed, magnify Allah thirty-four times, glorify Him thirty-three times and praise Him thirty-three times. That is better for you than a servant.””
        [Sahih Al-Bukhari: 3502 and Muslim: 2727]

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          #5
          Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

          Originally posted by Ekoor View Post
          Men cant control what they will earn, this was pre-determined.
          What we can control in what we spend.
          A smaller house/car etc will do just fine.

          Contentment is key

          There are exceptions though.
          Well imagine a brother makes 1200 euros a month and the cheapest place he can get is 500 euros (based on my city)
          I was home alone with my bro gor 1 week and i spend 100 euros on food (he eats out in the weekend so only 5 days of food and i barely eat) so 400 euros a month for food has us at 900 euros and then add the bills on top, and gas for the car to get him to work is prolly 50 a week which is 200 a month gets us at 1100 a month excl. Bills, we're already making dept and we didnt even buy anything apart from food.
          يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

          O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

          Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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            Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

            Originally posted by aynina View Post
            Well imagine a brother makes 1200 euros a month and the cheapest place he can get is 500 euros (based on my city)
            I was home alone with my bro gor 1 week and i spend 100 euros on food (he eats out in the weekend so only 5 days of food and i barely eat) so 400 euros a month for food has us at 900 euros and then add the bills on top, and gas for the car to get him to work is prolly 50 a week which is 200 a month gets us at 1100 a month excl. Bills, we're already making dept and we didnt even buy anything apart from food.
            I said there are exceptions...

            What would happened if the income was less?

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              #7
              Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

              Originally posted by Ekoor View Post
              I said there are exceptions...

              What would happened if the income was less?
              This is minimumwage in belgium.
              يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

              O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

              Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                #8
                Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                Originally posted by aynina View Post
                This is minimumwage in belgium.
                Point is you would adjust...

                Maybe cheaper place or public transport etc etc.

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                  Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                  Life is very expensive nowadays, even when you really tighten the purse strings. The rental market in the UK has gone mad in most cities, meaning that having a roof over your head can take two thirds of your salary. Throw in a few kids and you get the picture. In the UK we are very fortunate to have tax credit top ups, housing benefit top ups, child benefit etc so it lulls people who are perhaps on a minimum wage job into a false sense of security. In the Muslim lands these don't exist and throw in medical costs (if you don't have insurance cover in your job) and schools for your children (again, if this is not covered/subsidized by the job) and then it hits you that you can't actually afford to live in your new country. This happened to us, although we had very high medical costs for one child which is exceptional. I was offered a job as a teacher which would have covered our rent and cut school fees in half but was very concerned about the attitude towards employees; it was almost as if you were signing your soul over to them. If one of the children got sick and had to have a day off school for example, I wouldn't have been excused in the way there is "emergency leave" in the UK workplace. You were allowed 3 days for a death of a near relative and 6 weeks for maternity leave and that was it.

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                    #10
                    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                    Originally posted by Ekoor View Post
                    Point is you would adjust...

                    Maybe cheaper place or public transport etc etc.
                    True but then i would feel guitly that he has to live that life because i dont work
                    يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                    O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                    Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                      #11
                      Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                      Originally posted by aynina View Post
                      True but then i would feel guitly that he has to live that life because i dont work
                      And therein lies the danger

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                        #12
                        Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                        I really don't think that it is about men not doing their job properly either. Some men maybe do not have a high educational background and they are on the minimum wage. He might work 60 hours a week, so is not entitled to any help but it is still not enough to pay rent and to live a basic life. By applying this logic this means that only rich men can/should get married. It is very common in muslim countries for men to seek a working wife as even 'good' jobs are not enough to sustain families in an increasingly expensive society.

                        My advice from my own experience: utilize every opportunity you have in the West to build up your academic/vocational profile to enable you to have choice about moving if you wish.

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                          #13
                          Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                          Originally posted by Ekoor View Post
                          And therein lies the danger
                          Wym?
                          يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                          O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                          Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                            In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                            I don't understand what is meant by "men not doing their jobs." If the couple is perfectly capable of living on the man's income, but he still makes his wife work, then yes I would say he's not doing his job. But if the guy is working super hard and his income is still not enough, and he needs his wife to work, I would certainly hope he is not resented for that.

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                              Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                              Originally posted by Stoic Believer View Post
                              I don't understand what is meant by "men not doing their jobs." If the couple is perfectly capable of living on the man's income, but he still makes his wife work, then yes I would say he's not doing his job. But if the guy is working super hard and his income is still not enough, and he needs his wife to work, I would certainly hope he is not resented for that.
                              Only if he is doing 50% of the housework/cooking/childcare. The resentment problem creeps in when the woman is also working FT but the man kicks off his socks and shoes whilst the woman is running ragged at home trying to keep on top of these things. There is no way i would work FT, pay into the house and then come home to do everything myself.

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