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    #31
    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

    Originally posted by Kya View Post
    Hijrah isn't compulsory especially since this is not for Islamic reason and there is no Islamic state butttttttttttttttttttttttttttt common sense says if you are struggling to survive in high cost area then move to a lower cost area assuming you can secure a job. The problem with lower cost area is that the jobs don't pay as much in lower cost area. So the same couple that moved to save money might notice they are not any better in low cost area because they are making less. Still do the calculation & see if its worth it. Make sure you secure a job for yourself before you move
    So you are saying its ok for wife to go out and work ,potentially leading to a lot of fitna ...whereas,if he goes to middle east or asia they can easily survive with the mans income..in these areas majority married women are still housewives and man doesnt do fancy jobs either...


    So no need to migrate then ?
    You are saying take a chance with wife working is it.

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      #32
      Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

      Originally posted by muzzybee View Post
      What if you are already in a society ,where it is generally understood woman has to work to makes ends meet..should we marry in a society like that ..ie western society
      Is this generally how it is? Are all Muslims in Western society (apart from highly educated ones) just "making it" financially?

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        #33
        Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

        Originally posted by horizon View Post
        Hijra to where?

        There is no Caliphate or Islamic State to migrate to.
        Couldnt it be to a better practising place to avoid that fitna

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          #34
          Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

          Originally posted by horizon View Post
          Is this generally how it is? Are all Muslims in Western society (apart from highly educated ones) just "making it" financially?
          If you think people in uk or usa or europe are realy well off then answer is no.
          In uk alone lot ofof muslims depend on benefits to an extent

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            #35
            Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

            Originally posted by aynina View Post
            Well imagine a brother makes 1200 euros a month and the cheapest place he can get is 500 euros (based on my city)
            I was home alone with my bro gor 1 week and i spend 100 euros on food (he eats out in the weekend so only 5 days of food and i barely eat) so 400 euros a month for food has us at 900 euros and then add the bills on top, and gas for the car to get him to work is prolly 50 a week which is 200 a month gets us at 1100 a month excl. Bills, we're already making dept and we didnt even buy anything apart from food.
            Two people spending 100euros a week for food, that's a bit much.
            -do shopping list
            - meal planning
            -have vegetarian only meal once a week.
            - shop a around
            -reduce buying ready made products etc Just some ideas :)

            It isn't how much we earn, but how much we spend.

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              #36
              Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

              Originally posted by uccello verde View Post
              Two people spending 100euros a week for food, that's a bit much.
              -do shopping list
              - meal planning
              -have vegetarian only meal once a week.
              - shop a around
              -reduce buying ready made products etc Just some ideas :)

              It isn't how much we earn, but how much we spend.
              Yea well i didnt think of what i bought because i didnt have to either so if i knew i dont have a lot of money i would definately buy smarter...

              Though if i would tell my bro about vegetarian meals he would NOT BE HAPPY loll
              يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

              O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

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                #37
                Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                Originally posted by aynina View Post
                Yea well i didnt think of what i bought because i didnt have to either so if i knew i dont have a lot of money i would definately buy smarter...

                Though if i would tell my bro about vegetarian meals he would NOT BE HAPPY loll
                lol, what is it guys with meat

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                  #38
                  Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                  Originally posted by uccello verde View Post
                  lol, what is it guys with meat
                  Haha idk sis :rotfl:
                  يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                  O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                  Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                    #39
                    Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                    Originally posted by Umm Fatimah View Post
                    I really don't think that it is about men not doing their job properly either. Some men maybe do not have a high educational background and they are on the minimum wage. He might work 60 hours a week, so is not entitled to any help but it is still not enough to pay rent and to live a basic life. By applying this logic this means that only rich men can/should get married. It is very common in muslim countries for men to seek a working wife as even 'good' jobs are not enough to sustain families in an increasingly expensive society.

                    My advice from my own experience: utilize every opportunity you have in the West to build up your academic/vocational profile to enable you to have choice about moving if you wish.
                    I don't think anyone was saying, that only rich/wealthy brothers can get married. I have seen plenty poor guys getting married, and their wives are home. Alhamdulillah. Women getting work, open door to other problems.
                    I would ask, is it worth for few extra pounds to jeopardise your marriage and deen.

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                      Last edited by myeverything; 06-12-17, 05:02 PM.
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                        #41
                        Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                        really depends
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                        and the magician will never be successful, no matter whatever amount (of skill) he may attain."

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                          #42
                          Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                          Originally posted by muzzybee View Post
                          Couldnt it be to a better practising place to avoid that fitna
                          I can't think of any places that come to mind. Even countries that have vast Muslim populations have the same fitna as Western countries (local TV, mixing of the genders, parties, etc.).

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                            #43
                            Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                            Originally posted by myeverything View Post
                            This



                            What do taste and personality have to do here ?

                            If they don't want to bother with housework now because they are married.

                            Why a woman would bother working while she has a husband who should provide for her and pay all ?

                            You can't have your cake and eat it ... BTW women are human too. It's like they want their full rights and rights of their wives too^^

                            such men shouldn't ask their wives to work and help with life expenses .. they can get well with housewives ( women work inside and men outside ) fair enough ..
                            You have it the wrong way round. The men in question didn't bother with housework before they were married either.

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                              #44
                              Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                              Originally posted by Umm Fatimah View Post
                              Only if he is doing 50% of the housework/cooking/childcare. The resentment problem creeps in when the woman is also working FT but the man kicks off his socks and shoes whilst the woman is running ragged at home trying to keep on top of these things. There is no way i would work FT, pay into the house and then come home to do everything myself.
                              Traditional households sound way more relaxed in comparison.

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                                #45
                                Re: In a society if both spouses have to work ....to survive.is hijrah compulsory

                                Originally posted by Umm Fatimah View Post
                                Only if he is doing 50% of the housework/cooking/childcare. The resentment problem creeps in when the woman is also working FT but the man kicks off his socks and shoes whilst the woman is running ragged at home trying to keep on top of these things. There is no way i would work FT, pay into the house and then come home to do everything myself.
                                If he's kicked off his socks before his shoes that man's a keeper!

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