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    Re: Have a Hadeeth and want to know its authenticity?

    Originally posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
    A brother just give me a reputation stating that Sunnis too have it in their books and he did research on it and it turned out that the chains of the Hadith were either weak or fabricated.
    Ok, Jazaakum Allahu Khairan.
    إن الصلاة تنهى عن الفحشاء والمنكر

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      Re: Have a Hadeeth and want to know its authenticity?

      [MENTION=112961]islamuslim[/MENTION] Kitab Al Kafi is a Shi'a book.

      The Sunni quotes it as well because I remember reading it long ago in one of our Hadith book though it was declared weak. I can't remember exactly which scholars collected it and/or graded it but they were all Shafi'i and one of them is Ibn `Abd al-Rahman Al-Sakhawi. However, he also commented on that hadith,

      Al-Sakhawi said: “And had there not been in [daughters] divine blessings, the pure lineage and prophetic progeny would not have been carried forth through a woman.”

      Lastly, we've had Sunnis quoting Shi'a hadith in here as well but that is due to unawareness of different hadith books or using wrong websites.
      “You don't need anybody to tell you who you are or what you are. You are what you are!”

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        Re: Have a Hadeeth and want to know its authenticity?

        Reported by Ibn `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) :
        The Messenger of Allah (صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ) said,
        "Do not indulge in excessive talk except when remembering Allah.
        Excessive talking without the Remembrance of Allah hardens the heart;
        and those who are the farthest from Allah are those whose hearts are hard.''
        [At-Tirmidhi]

        Does anyone know if this is authentic
        It may not be easy, you may not understand it, but you need to have the Imaan to trust Allah when life doesn't make sense.
        "Whoever intends eternal happiness, then let him hold tight to the threshold of servitude.” ibn Taymiyyah.

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          Re: Have a Hadeeth and want to know its authenticity?

          Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
          Reported by Ibn `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) :
          The Messenger of Allah (صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ) said,
          "Do not indulge in excessive talk except when remembering Allah.
          Excessive talking without the Remembrance of Allah hardens the heart;
          and those who are the farthest from Allah are those whose hearts are hard.''
          [At-Tirmidhi]

          Does anyone know if this is authentic
          I didn't find the grading for this specific hadith, but I found this similar narration, and it was graded Hasan by Darussalam:

          Ibn 'Umar narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
          "Do not talk too much without remembrance of Allah. Indeed excessive talking without remembrance of Allah hardens the heart. And indeed the furthest of people from Allah is the harsh-hearted." [At-Tirmidhi] http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/36/109
          Narrated Anas:
          The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother what he likes for himself." [Bukhari]

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            Re: Have a Hadeeth and want to know its authenticity?

            Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
            Reported by Ibn `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) :
            The Messenger of Allah (صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ) said,
            "Do not indulge in excessive talk except when remembering Allah.
            Excessive talking without the Remembrance of Allah hardens the heart;
            and those who are the farthest from Allah are those whose hearts are hard.''
            [At-Tirmidhi]

            Does anyone know if this is authentic
            There seems to be a disagreement regarding the authenticity of that Hadith. As the sister correctly pointed out above that Darusallam has graded it authentic.

            A search at the Dorar Encyclopedia of Hadith shows that Ahmad Shaakir and Ibn Hajar Al-'asqalaani also considered it Hasan but Shiekh Al-'albaani considered it weak.

            Here is a quick paraphrase of Sheikh Al-'albaani's notes on the Hadith:


            " لا تكثروا الكلام بغير ذكر الله، فإن كثرة الكلام بغير ذكر الله قسوة للقلب، وإن أبعد الناس من الله القلب القاسي ".

            Do not speak excessively without remembering Allaah for indeed excessive talking without the remembrance of Allaah hardens the hearts and the farthest of people from Allaah is [the one with] a hard heart.

            ضعيف

            Weak

            أخرجه الترمذي (2 / 66) والواحدي في " الوسيط " (1 / 27 / 2) وأبو جعفر الطوسي الفقيه الشيعي في " الأمالي (ص 2) والبيهقي في " شعب الإيمان " (2 / 65 / 1 - 2)

            The Hadith has been transmitted by

            Al-Tirmidhi
            الواحدي
            أبو جعفر الطوسي الفقيه الشيعي
            Al-Bayhaqi





            من طريق إبراهيم بن عبد الله بن حاطب عن عبد الله بن دينار عن ابن عمر قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: فذكره، وقال الترمذي: " حديث حسن غريب لا نعرفه إلا من حديث إبراهيم "


            The route for the chain of narrators is 'Ibraahiim bin Abd Allaah bin Haatib -> Abd Allaah bin Dinaar -> Ibn Umar who said: The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: [Then he mentioned the hadith]




            قلت: وهو ابن عبد الله بن الحارث بن حاطب الجمحي

            I say: He is Ibn Abd Allaah bin Al-Haarith bin Haatib Al-Jumahii


            ترجمه ابن أبي حاتم (1 / 110 / 1) ولم يذكر فيه جرحا ولا تعديلا

            Ibn Abi Haatim mentioned him but did not mention any Jarh or Ta'deel regarding him


            وأورده الذهبي في " الميزان " وساق له هذا الحديث من غرائبه، وقال: " ما علمت فيه جرحا "

            Al-Dhahabi mentioned him in Al-Miizaan and said: I do not know in regards to him any Jarh



            قلت: فقد يقال فهل علمت فيه توثيقا؟

            I say: It has been said: Did you know regarding him any Ta'deel?



            فإن عدم الجرح لا يستلزم التوثيق كما لا يخفى،

            For the absence of Jarh does not necessitate reliability as [this fact] is not unknown


            ولذلك فالأحسن في
            الإفصاح عن حاله قول ابن القطان: " لا يعرف حاله "


            Therefore, Ibn al-Qattaan said: I do not his state [i.e. if he is reliable or not]



            وأما ابن حبان فذكره في " الثقات " على قاعدته!

            Ibn Hibaan mentioned him among the reliable based on his principle!



            واغتر به الشيخ أحمد شاكر رحمه الله فصحح إسناده في " عمدة التفسير " (1 / 168)

            Al-Sheikh Ahmad Shaakir was unmindful of him and thus declared the chain to be Sahih

            والحديث رواه الإمام مالك في " الموطأ " (2 / 986 / 8) أنه بلغه أن عيسى بن مريم كان يقول: فذكره بأتم منه من قول عيسى عليه السلام، وقد مضى قريبا (908) .

            Imaam Maalik has transmitted the Hadith in the Muwatta that it reached him that Jesus the son of Maryam said: [then he mentioned this narration]



            وهذا هو اللائق بمثل هذا الكلام أن يكون مما يرويه أهل الكتاب عن عيسى عليه الصلاة والسلام، وليس من حديث نبينا محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم

            And this is how the matter is that this is from the speech of Jesus which the people of the Book have transmitted and it is not the Hadith of our Prophet Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam)
            Watch those eyes

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              Hadeeth Grading Thread

              السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

              If you want to check the authenticity of a hadeeth or narration, post it in this thread insha'Allah.

              بارك الله فيكم

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                Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

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                يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                  Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                  Originally posted by aynina View Post
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                  The narrators of the hadiith are:

                  Hamdaan bin 'ali -> 'abd al-rahmaan -> muusaa bin 'uQbah -> 'ubaid bin sulaimaan -> his father -> mu'aadh bin jabal who said: The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said:

                  لَوْ تَعْلَمُ الْمَرْأَةُ حَقَّ الزَّوْجِ مَا قَعَدَتْ مَا حَضَرَ غَدَاؤُهُ وَعَشَاؤُهُ حَتَّى يَفْرُغَ



                  Ibn Hajar al-Haytami said he did not recognize 'ubaid bin sulaimaan. The reason he did not recognize the name was because there was taSHiif [misplacement of the diacritical marks, misspelling, slip of the pen].

                  The real name is salmaan and not sulaimaan.

                  Ibn Hajar al-'asQalaani said the chain of narrators was hasan.

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                  Reference(s):

                  Dorar Encylopedia of Hadith

                  مختصر زوائد مسند البزار على الكتب الستة ومسند أحمد

                  Volume 1 Page 592

                  IslamWeb
                  Watch those eyes

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                    Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                    I heard a Hadith but I don't know the exact wording. It's about Zaynab the daughter of the Prophet s.a.w getting punishment of the grave, and Rasulullah stood at her grave making dua' for her until the punishment decreased.

                    Is this Hadith authentic?

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                      Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                      Originally posted by ZeeshanParvez View Post
                      The narrators of the hadiith are:

                      Hamdaan bin 'ali -> 'abd al-rahmaan -> muusaa bin 'uQbah -> 'ubaid bin sulaimaan -> his father -> mu'aadh bin jabal who said: The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said:

                      لَوْ تَعْلَمُ الْمَرْأَةُ حَقَّ الزَّوْجِ مَا قَعَدَتْ مَا حَضَرَ غَدَاؤُهُ وَعَشَاؤُهُ حَتَّى يَفْرُغَ



                      Ibn Hajar al-Haytami said he did not recognize 'ubaid bin sulaimaan. The reason he did not recognize the name was because there was taSHiif [misplacement of the diacritical marks, misspelling, slip of the pen].

                      The real name is salmaan and not sulaimaan.

                      Ibn Hajar al-'asQalaani said the chain of narrators was hasan.

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                      Reference(s):

                      Dorar Encylopedia of Hadith

                      مختصر زوائد مسند البزار على الكتب الستة ومسند أحمد

                      Volume 1 Page 592

                      IslamWeb
                      :jkk:

                      So brother this means we cannot eat with our husband at the same time?
                      يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ رَبَّكُمُ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ وَٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ

                      O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous

                      Surah Al Baqarah ayah 21

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                        Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                        The hadith shows the importance of a husband. If your husband tells you not to eat with him, then you won't eat with him because you are to obey him.

                        If he tells you to eat with him, you do.

                        The hadith tells you how much respect a husband deserves.

                        There is another hadith which says that if I had ordered anyone to prostrate to anyone I would have ordered the wife to prostrate to her husband.

                        It is interesting to note that both hadith use the particle lau for the condition.

                        Lau is a particle of tamann and signifies that the second clause is not going to be because the first clause is not going to be.

                        This is opposed to the particle 'in which is employed for conditional clauses where the second clause will come to be because the first one will be.

                        To understand this better consider the use of this particle in the Qur'aan in the Verse "Had there been, in them, any god except Allaah, they would have gone to ruin..."

                        There never was going to be another god. That is not possible. Hence, the conditional clause employs lau and not 'in. However, it gets a point across.
                        Watch those eyes

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                          Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                          Does anyone know the authenticity of this hadith:

                          Abu Nuʻaym Al-Asbahaani in his book Sifat Al-Jannah. It reads: Ibn ʻAbbaas may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “The people of Paradise shall be beardless, except for Moosa ibn ʻImraan (Moses), whose beard reaches down to his navel, and they will all bear their (worldly) names, except for Aadam, who shall be nicknamed Abu Muhammad.

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                            Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                            Please comment on the authenticity of the following hadith.

                            The Messenger of Allah :saw: said:
                            'Kufr results from not understanding Arabic; when they are faced with something that they do not understand, they will make it complicated and introduce innovations ."

                            Tareekh at-Tabari, 5/245 [Referenced from The Biography of Uthman by Muhammad Ali As-Sallabi]
                            Winning an argument doesn't mean you're on truth, losing an argument doesn't mean you're on falsehood.

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                              Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                              Originally posted by bhshawon View Post
                              Please comment on the authenticity of the following hadith.

                              The Messenger of Allah :saw: said:
                              'Kufr results from not understanding Arabic; when they are faced with something that they do not understand, they will make it complicated and introduce innovations ."

                              Tareekh at-Tabari, 5/245 [Referenced from The Biography of Uthman by Muhammad Ali As-Sallabi]
                              The hadith is as follows:

                              قالوا: وكان كتابه -أي عثمان - إلى العامة: أما بعد، فإنكم إنما بلغتم ما بلغتم بالاقتداء والاتباع، فلا تلفتنكم الدنيا عن أمركم، فإن أمر هذه الأمة صائر إلى الابتداع بعد اجتماع ثلاث فيكم: تكامل النعم، وبلوغ أولادكم من السبايا، وقراءة الأعراب والأعاجم القرآن، فإن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: ( الكفر في العجمة )، فإذا استعجم عليهم أمر تكلفوا وابتدعوا " انتهى. "تاريخ الطبري" (4 / 245).


                              It has no basis.

                              It is not allowed to attribute it to the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam).

                              However, the meaning contained in it has substance. A group of people of knowledge have attested to it. History has also born witness to the fact that a lack of the Arabic language leads to innovations.

                              A person who does not know Arabic will read the Qur'aan; he will come up with a Tafsiir, based on the translation, which is wrong. We have seen people do it today. Some know a few words of Arabic and base their incorrect understandings of the Qur'aan on that. They lack knowledge of the Sunnah. They admit it. Yet, they go about making Tafsiir of the Qur'aan. They are complete jaahils. Some of them have gotten the humiliation they deserve in this world.

                              The Hadith, though, is without a chain and basis.


                              Reference(s):

                              IslamQA
                              Watch those eyes

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                                Re: Hadeeth Grading Thread

                                Originally posted by Learnerofknowledge View Post
                                Does anyone know the authenticity of this hadith:

                                Abu Nuʻaym Al-Asbahaani in his book Sifat Al-Jannah. It reads: Ibn ʻAbbaas may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “The people of Paradise shall be beardless, except for Moosa ibn ʻImraan (Moses), whose beard reaches down to his navel, and they will all bear their (worldly) names, except for Aadam, who shall be nicknamed Abu Muhammad.
                                That hadith is baatil.

                                Reference(s):

                                Islamway
                                Watch those eyes

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