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    al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

    Al-ħayyu l-qayyuum, the Living, the Eternal, is the Islamic form of the name of God in the Hebrew Book. There it is "I am what I am". In Arabic that is " 'ana man 'ana " , a different verb from "living". How do we connect the 2 names ?

    #2
    Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

    No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


    aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu


    Do we need to connect "AlHayy AlQayyum" with "I am what I am"?

    Jazak-Allah


    alhamd li Allah Rabb alaalameen.


    la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-'atheemi,
    la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi

    there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
    there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.
    Like to play god? Get out of God's dominion first || Tajseem/taqiyya/fitna/fasad? Witness my dissociation
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      #3
      Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

      yes.
      ["Yahweh in the Quran

      By Ebrahim Saifuddin

      He is not associated with Discoveringislam.org

      ( Source: http://islam.thetruecall.com )



      There are Christians who tend to make a point that the Bible mentions in Exodus 3:14 that the name of God is “Yahweh” or “Jehovah” (depends on where one puts the vowels) but this name does not appear in the Quran. Hence they claim that the Quran cannot be the Word of God and Prophet Muhammad (saw) cannot be a Messenger of God, because there is no reference to the personal name of God which appears in the Old Testament 6823 times. "]

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        #4
        Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

        :salams
        :start:

        The name - ďYahwehĒ or ďJehovahĒ , is only found in particular sets of bible.However in hebrew bible which is Torah, it is not found and most of the rabbis say that it is unlawful to read such a word.In Islam, we have been given with 99 names of Allah and we are content with it alhumdulilah.
        صلى الله على حبيبه محمد و على آله و أصحابه و سلم
        Al-Muslimeen

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          #5
          Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

          The Explanation of Ayatul- Kursi by Shaykh 'Abdur-Rahman Bin Sa'adi - http://www.scribd.com/doc/85314667/T...man-Bin-Sa-adi - The meaning of "Al- Hayy , Al- Qayyum" "The Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists..." is in this document.

          The Beautiful Names and Lofty Attributes - Shaikh ’Abdul-’AzÓz ibn ’Abdull‚h bin B‚z - The Beautiful Names and Lofty Attributes - Shaikh ’Abdul-’AzÓz ibn ’Abdull‚h bin B‚z
          http://mountainofknowledge.tumblr.com

          http://www.scribd.com/Mountainofknowledge

          http://mountainofknowledge.wordpress.com/

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            #6
            Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

            No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


            aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu


            There are Christians who tend to make a point that the Bible mentions in Exodus 3:14 that the name of God is “Yahweh” or “Jehovah” (depends on where one puts the vowels) but this name does not appear in the Quran. Hence they claim that the Quran cannot be the Word of God and Prophet Muhammad (saw) cannot be a Messenger of God, because there is no reference to the personal name of God which appears in the Old Testament 6823 times. "
            Jazak-Allah

            Assuming the veracity of the Hebrew transmission:

            YHWH is supposed to be have been derived from the root "hawa" which is believed to imply "to be" or "exist", and is not related to the Arabic root "hayy" (which denotes life or livingness).

            The word [in Exodus 3:14] which is translated as "I am" also derives from "hawa" {to be}, and (like YHWH) it too is not related to the Arabic "hayy" {living}. I probably could afford 3:14 a more detailed look, but I am not sure if it is required over here.

            Interestingly, there does exist in the Hebrew language a cognate for the Arabic "hayy" -- it is pronounced in a similar way and carries a similar meaning.

            And, even better, the Quranic description, "Al-Hayy Al-Qayyum" is found, almost verbatim, in the Old Testament.

            Daniel 6.26: It is decreed by me, that in all my empire and my kingdom all men dread and fear the God of Daniel. For he is the living and eternal God for ever: and his kingdom shall not be destroyed, and his power shall be for ever.

            I believe that the words that I have emphasized read "hayya wa qayyam" in the Hebrew text. And it does pleasantly surprise some of our non-Muslim brethren.


            alhamd li Allah Rabb alaalameen.


            la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-atheemi,
            la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi

            there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
            there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.
            Like to play god? Get out of God's dominion first || Tajseem/taqiyya/fitna/fasad? Witness my dissociation
            asadullahhamza.blogspot.com || insight.boards.net

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              #7
              Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

              The expressions about eternal and living are descriptions, just as Merciful is an adjective but is not the noun "Allah".
              The Heb name is "eyeh asher eyeh" as Ar. "ana man ana", and has a double verb, in Eng. "am.>.am" or "will be.>. will be".
              It is this specified Name of God that doesn't carry from the Heb Book to the Islamic Book.

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                #8
                Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


                aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu

                The expressions about eternal and living are descriptions, just as Merciful is an adjective but is not the noun "Allah".
                The Heb name is "eyeh asher eyeh" as Ar. "ana man ana", and has a double verb, in Eng. "am.>.am" or "will be.>. will be".
                It is this specified Name of God that doesn't carry from the Heb Book to the Islamic Book.
                I wanted to clarify that given the veracity of the Hebrew transmission:

                1. The Hebraic and Arabic "hyy" and "qyym" are supposed to bear no relation to "hawa" from which yahweh or ehyeh are derived.

                2. The Quranic formula "AlHayy AlQayyum" is present in the Old Testament in an almost verbatim manner, and this in itself is quite impressive.

                Given the points above, I don't see how (or why) we may force a connection between "AlHayy AlQayyum" and "I am who I am".

                Moreover, if we leave aside "hyy" (and "qyym") and talk about Exodus 3:14 itself, then this verse, rather than being loaded against the Quran, is loaded against the Bible. Also, the formula "AlHayy AlAqyyum" does not appear in the Quran even half a dozen times, while YHWH appears in the Bible, as per your quote, 6500+ times. Finally, a word or concept that appears in the Bible need not appear in the Quran.

                [Due respect to the writer whom you quoted, but his article depends heavily on the jewishencyclopedia.com entry and many will easily point out that the entry exercises much liberty, even though it itself states very clearly that the root form is "to be".] If you still want to persist with that line, then you might also want to consider "AlSamad" which has apparently posed quite a challenge to lexicographers and translators alike, and is variously explained using one or more of "Eternal", "Absolute", "Living" "Self-Sufficient", "Uncaused Cause" and other words.


                alhamd li Allah Rabb alaalameen.


                la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-'atheemi,
                la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi

                there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
                there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.
                Like to play god? Get out of God's dominion first || Tajseem/taqiyya/fitna/fasad? Witness my dissociation
                asadullahhamza.blogspot.com || insight.boards.net

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                  #9
                  Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                  Yes we agreed that hyy / qyym are separate from hawa. It was claimed that al-ħayyu l-qayyuum has the closest meaning to YHWH but they are different. Yes, the adjectives are similar to Daniel 6.26, and Dan 9:1-19 has "Jehovah" 13 times as a different expression.
                  How is Ex 3.14 "loaded against the Bible"? If God specifies in the Heb Book the name he calls himself , and the Islamic text is from a prophet of that God, then it would be consistent to find the name in the Koran.

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                    #10
                    Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                    No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


                    aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu


                    How is Ex 3.14 "loaded against the Bible"?
                    I wanted to make a change to my earlier statement, but an edit is not possible now. I wrote:

                    Moreover, if we leave aside "hyy" (and "qyym") and talk about Exodus 3:14 itself, then this verse, rather than being loaded against the Quran, is loaded against the Bible.

                    And it should read:

                    Moreover, if we leave aside "hyy" (and "qyym") and talk about Exodus 3:14 itself, then the accepted understanding of this verse, rather than being loaded against the Quran, is loaded against the Bible.

                    If God specifies in the Heb Book the name he calls himself , and the Islamic text is from a prophet of that God, then it would be consistent to find the name in the Koran.
                    Simplified answers to these would be:

                    1. Is it "ehyeh asher ehyeh", "ehyeh" or "yahweh"; what is God's reply to the question posed by Moses?

                    2. The "if" is a big "if".

                    There are some long-drawn arguments which I used to put up in days gone by, but I am done with arguing with others; insha Allah, somebody else will provide further information.


                    alhamd li Allah Rabb alaalameen.


                    la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-'atheemi,
                    la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi

                    there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
                    there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.
                    Like to play god? Get out of God's dominion first || Tajseem/taqiyya/fitna/fasad? Witness my dissociation
                    asadullahhamza.blogspot.com || insight.boards.net

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                      #11
                      Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                      No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


                      aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu


                      There are some long-drawn arguments which I used to put up in days gone by, but I am done with arguing with others
                      Umm..what I mean is that now I usually argue against myself and a few very close friends; it does slow down the process, but has its own advantages. May Allah <AlRahman AlRaheem> grant success to truth through you and others.


                      alhamd li Allah Rabb alaalameen.


                      la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-'atheemi,
                      la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi

                      there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
                      there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.
                      Like to play god? Get out of God's dominion first || Tajseem/taqiyya/fitna/fasad? Witness my dissociation
                      asadullahhamza.blogspot.com || insight.boards.net

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                        #12
                        Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                        The forms of God's name in Exodus are based on the same expression, with YHWH being expanded. It's similar to "Allah" being expanded to "Allah u-akbar". If too much of the earlier prophets' books is rejected, there is a danger of saying that God is incapable of having his words preserved. That then may intrude into the Koran..

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                          #13
                          Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                          No soul has authority over another. Guidance and straying is a matter between God and you.


                          aakwr-Allah-wb-Hu


                          Peace.


                          alhamd li Allah Rabb alaalameen.


                          la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Al-'Atheemu Al-Haleemu, la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbul 'arshil-'atheemi,
                          la ilaaha illaa Allaahu Rabbus-samaawaati wa Rabbul-ardhi wa Rabbul-'arshil-kareemi

                          there is no god except Allah, the All-Mighty, the Forbearing; there is no god except Allah, the Lord of the Mighty Throne;
                          there is no god except Allah, Lord of the heavens, Lord of the earth and Lord of the noble Throne.
                          Like to play god? Get out of God's dominion first || Tajseem/taqiyya/fitna/fasad? Witness my dissociation
                          asadullahhamza.blogspot.com || insight.boards.net

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                            Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                            Originally posted by chimera View Post
                            The forms of God's name in Exodus are based on the same expression, with YHWH being expanded. It's similar to "Allah" being expanded to "Allah u-akbar". If too much of the earlier prophets' books is rejected, there is a danger of saying that God is incapable of having his words preserved. That then may intrude into the Koran..
                            That's a flimsly argument. God not being capable of preserving His words is different to God being capable of doing so but willing to do otherwise.

                            It's on these simple points of logic that christian polemics fall to the ground.

                            Your main argument, namely that if God mentioned 'Yahweh' in two of his revelations, he must mention it in another revelation, is again a baseless assumption. God is capable of all things, and no one can obligate anything on Him - it is absolutely up to Him whether he mentions a specific name of His in one revelation or another. That's another assumption debunked!

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                              #15
                              Re: al-ħayyu l-qayyuum

                              That is interesting. Then God chooses to let his words be corrupted and chooses not to have his name in the Koran.
                              It's like a bank cheque which is signed becomes false, and the unsigned cheque is true. The second cheque is the proof that the first is false. Do Islamic banks agree with that?

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