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    The Fitnah of Takfir

    The Fitnah of Takfir



    The accusation upon Majority of Muslims being Mushrikeen by certain people who think that their own personal set of beliefs are right, is a major strife which has been lurking around in Muslim Ummah. Some even go to the extent of accusing the great Hanafi Muslims as a whole (including the respectable Deobandis and Barelvis) on the other hand they consider Shi’ites as Kafirs without any second thought.


    Let see how the Prophet (Peace be upon him) looked at Shirk in Muslim Ummah as compared to the self assumed Tawhid of certain extremists who show up with different names but mostly they belong to the same La Madhabiyyah sect.





    The way how Prophet (Peace be upon him) looked at it



    أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏خرج يوما فصلى على أهل ‏ ‏أحد ‏ ‏صلاته على الميت ثم انصرف إلى المنبر فقال ‏ ‏إني ‏ ‏فرط ‏ ‏لكم وأنا شهيد عليكم وإني والله لأنظر إلى حوضي الآن وإني أعطيت مفاتيح خزائن الأرض ‏ ‏أو مفاتيح الأرض ‏ ‏وإني والله ما أخاف عليكم أن تشركوا بعدي ولكن أخاف عليكم أن تنافسوا فيها ‏



    Translation: Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir: One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth) ”BY ALLAH! I AM NOT AFRAID THAT YOU WILL WORSHIP OTHERS ALONG WITH ALLAH AFTER MY DEATH, BUT I AM AFRAID THAT YOU WILL FIGHT WITH ONE ANOTHER FOR THE WORLDLY THINGS”



    ►Volume 2, Book 23, Number 428: (Sahih Bukhari)




    Three Important points are to be noted from this hadith:



    (A) This hadith itself proves that Prophet (Peace be upon him) has been granted “all” the keys to the treasures of the earth, the ironic thing is that this itself is shirk according to the extremists because they believe Prophet was an ordinary man who did not know of future. If you look carefully the hadith says that Prophet was watching his fount right from the earth, this proves the great Basarat (sight) of this mighty Prophet and If these claimants who say Prophet was just an ordinary man like us have any shame in them, then they should prove that they also see Jannah right from the earth.



    (B) The Prophet (Peace be upon him) took an oath upon Allah, yes note again “OATH UPON ALLAH” and said that he is not afraid we will worship others along with Allah after his death, now these extremists are in actual claiming to know more than Prophet (Peace be upon him) who settled it once and for all by taking oath that we will not worship others along with Allah after his passing away.



    (C) The Prophet (Peace be upon him) explained that We will fight with one another for “WORLDLY THINGS” ! So how does this fighting start? It starts by calling other Muslims as Kafir, tell us one Muslim on this earth who would like to be called as Kafir?







    Hadith #2



    باب ‏ ‏قتل ‏ ‏الخوارج ‏ ‏والملحدين ‏ ‏بعد إقامة الحجة عليهم ‏ ‏وقول الله تعالى ‏
    وما كان الله ليضل قوما بعد إذ هداهم حتى يبين لهم ما يتقون ‏‏وكان ‏ ‏ابن عمر ‏ ‏يراهم شرار خلق الله ‏ ‏وقال إنهم انطلقوا إلى آيات نزلت في الكفار فجعلوها على المؤمنين


    Translation: Allah T’ala said: And Allah will not mislead a people after He hath guided them, in order that He may make clear to them what to fear (and avoid)- for Allah hath knowledge of all things. 9:115)



    Bukhari relates from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (Allah be well pleased with him) "Ibn `Umar considered the Khawarij and the heretics as the worst beings in creation, and he said: They went to verses which were revealed about the disbelievers and applied them to the Believers.[Sahih Bukhari, Chapter of Killing the Khawarjites and Mulhideen, Volume No. 6, Page No. 2539]



    This hadith is very important and it exposes the evil nature of the extremist sect like a bright sun. You will always see them misusing the Ayahs revealed for Kufaar and applying them upon Muslims, wait a minute “EVEN UPON THE PROPHET” yes I say again even “UPON THE PROPHET” so rest assured that their attribute is that of Khawarij who apparently looked and still look very religious, who recite Quran beautifully, who pray as If our prayers are inferior to theirs but in reality they pass through the religion just like an arrow passes through the target.



    Quran states: O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!.. (4:94)

    What a beautiful ayah, even when we go for Jihad and if someone offers us salutation then we are ordered not to call them disbelievers, but look at the extremists who call even Muslims as disbelievers let alone other.








    Hadith #3


    Narrated Usama bin Zaid: Allah's Apostle sent us towards Al-Huruqa, and in the morning we attacked them and defeated them. I and an Ansari man followed a man from among them and when we took him over, he said, "La ilaha illal-Lah." On hearing that, the Ansari man stopped, but I killed him by stabbing him with my spear. When we returned, the Prophet came to know about that and he said, "O Usama! Did you kill him after he had said "La ilaha ilal-Lah?" I said, "But he said so only to save himself." The Prophet kept on repeating that so often that I wished I had not embraced Islam before that day.

    ►Volume 5, Book 59, Number 568: (Sahih Bukhari)

    Subhan Allah this is an explicit proof that any Muslim who testifies by saying "La Ilaha Il Allah" cannot be declared as Mushrik, do the extremists still claim to know more than Prophet (Peace be upon him), rather Quran itself?





    Hadith #4

    ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أنس بن مالك ‏ ‏قال ‏
    قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ثلاث من ‏ ‏أصل ‏ ‏الإيمان ‏ ‏الكف ‏ ‏عمن قال لا إله إلا الله ولا نكفره بذنب ولا نخرجه من الإسلام بعمل والجهاد ماض منذ بعثني الله إلى أن يقاتل آخر أمتي ‏ ‏الدجال ‏ ‏لا يبطله ‏ ‏جور ‏ ‏جائر ‏ ‏ولا عدل عادل والإيمان بالأقدار ‏


    Translation: Anas bin Malik (ra) narrates from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) who said: Three things are the roots of faith (1) To refrain from (killing) a person who says “La ILaha IL Allah” (2) Not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits (3) and also not to declare him out of Islam due to any of his deed. Jihad continues from the day I was sent as Prophet to the day that last member of my community fight with the Dajjal. The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine Decree. [Sunnan Abu Dawud, Volume No. 2, Hadith # 2170]







    Hadith #5


    أن حذيفة يعني ابن اليمان رضي الله عنه حدثه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلّم «إن مما أتخوف عليكم رجل قرأ القرآن حتى إذا رؤيت بهجته عليه وكان رداؤه الإسلام اعتراه إلى ما شاء الله انسلخ منه ونبذه وراء ظهره وسعى على جاره بالسيف ورماه بالشرك» قال قلت يانبي الله أيهما أولى بالشرك المرمي أو الرامي ؟ قال «بل الرامي»
    إسناد جيد

    Translation: Hudhaifa i.e. Ibn al Yaman (ra) said that the Prophet (saw) said: Verily, I fear about a man from you who will read the Qur'an so much that his face will become enlightened and he will come to personify Islam. This will continue until Allah desires. Then these things will be taken away from him when he will disregard them by putting them all behind his back and will attack his neighbor with the sword accusing him of Shirk. The Prophet was asked - which of the two will be deserving of such an accusation? - The attacker or the attacked? The Prophet replied - the attacker (the one accusing the other of Shirk)



    ►Narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Tahqiq Nasir Albani, Volume 001, Page No. 200, Hadith Number 81] Nasir Albani said: 'this hadith is hasan' also see [Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah - Albani Volume 007-A, Page No. 605, Hadith Number 3201] Click Here for Scanned Page (80)

    ►Narrated by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Volume No. 1, Page No. 282,

    ►Bukhari in his Tarikh ul Kabir, Volume No. 4, Page No. 301,

    ►Haythami in Majma Az Zawaid, where he declared its chain to be “Hassan”, Imam Ibn Kathir declared the Chain as “Jayyid (strong)” in his Tafsir al Quran al Azim, Volume No. 2, Page No. 266]








    Hadith #6

    كنت في حلقة بالكوفة إذا رجل يحدث قال كنا جلوسا مع ابي هريرة فمر فتى فقال رجل من الحلقة هذا كافر من أهل النار فقام أبو هريرة حتى أتى الفتى فقال من انت انا فلان بن فلان رحم الله اباك قال فجعل الفتى يلتفت فقال إلام تلتفت قال لم أصل قال وتصلي فقال سبحان الله فقال وتقول سبحان الله قال لا إله إلا الله قال وتقول لا إله إلا الله فقال ما أريد أني تركت الصلاة وأن لي ما على وجه الأرض قال رحمك الله رحمك الله ثم جاء حتى أخذ مجلسه

    فقال سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول . من شهد على مسلم بشهادة ليس لها بأهل فليتبوأ مقعده من النار


    Translation:"We were sitting in a circle in Kufa with Abu Hurayra whereupon a young man passed by. A man sitting with us said: 'This is a Kafir from among the people of the Fire.' Abu Hurayra rose and went to speak with the young man, asking him: 'Who are you?' He replied: Son of so-and-so.' Abu Hurayra said: 'Allah have mercy on your father!' The young man was looking around, so he asked him: 'What are you looking for?' He replied: 'I have not prayed yet.' Abu Hurayra said: 'So you pray?' The young man replied: 'Subhan Allah!' Abu Hurayra: 'And you say Subhan Allah?' He said: 'La Ilaha illAllah!!' Abu Hurayra: 'And you say La Ilaha illAllah?' The young man said: 'I would prefer not to leave Salat even if I were given all there is on the face of the earth.' Abu Hurayra said: 'Allah have mercy on you. Allah have mercy on you. Allah have mercy on you.' Then he came back to his seat in the circle and said: 'I heard the Messenger of Allah say: "Whoever bears testimony against a Muslim of which the latter is not deserving, let him prepare for himself a seat in the Hell fire." [Imam Ibn Asakir in Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page No. 373]







    Hadith #7

    عن عبيد الله بن عمر عن نافع أن رجلا قال لإبن عمر أن لي جارا يشهد علي بالشرك فقال قل لا إله إلا الله تكذبه

    Translation: From `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar, from Nafi`: A man said to Ibn `Umar: "I have a neighbor who bears witness against me that I commit shirk." He replied: "Say: 'La Ilaha ill Allah,' you will make him a liar."[Imam Ibn Asakir in Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page No. 373]



    Hadith #8


    عكرمة يعني ابن عمار قال ثنا سوار بن شبيب الأعرجي قال كنت قاعدا عند ابن عمر فجاء رجل فقال يا ابن عمر إن أقواما يشهدون علينا بالكفر والشرك فقال ويلك أفلا قلت لا إله إلا الله قال فقال أهل البيت لا إله إلا الله حتى ارتج البيت

    Translation: Akrama i.e. Ibn Ammar said that he heard Sawwar ibn Shabib al-A`raji say that he was sitting in Ibn `Umar's house when a man came and said: "O Ibn `Umar! There are groups of people bearing witness against us and attributing to us kufr and shirk." Ibn `Umar replied: "Woe to you! Did you not say: 'La Ilaha IllAllah'?!" Whereupon the entire household began to say La Ilaha Ill Allah until the house was shaking.[Ibid]

    Hadith #9



    ثنا الأعمش عن أبي سفيان قال أتينا جابر بن عبد الله وكان مجاورا بمكة وكان نازلا في بني فهر فسأله رجل فقال هل كنتم تدعون أحدا من أهل القبلة مشركا قال معاذ الله وفزع لذلك قال هل كنتم أظنه تدعونه كافرا قال لا

    Translation: From al-A`mash, from Abu Sufyan:We came to see Jabir ibn `Abd Allah who lived in Makkah and resided with the Banu Fihr. A man asked him: "Did you [the Companions] use to call anyone from the People of the Qibla [i.e. Muslims], 'Mushrik'?" He replied: "I seek refuge in Allah." The man continued: "Did you call anyone from them 'Kafir'?" He said: "No."[Ibid]

    Muslims should exclaim loudly : "Subhan Allah" and "La Ilaha il Allah" till all of us make a roar, then Alhamdulillah we will make the accusers as liars themselves!


    We would like to conclude our article with these verdicts from Imam Ibn Abideen ash-Shami (rah) and Allama Ahmed Sawi (rah)


    Imam Ibn Abideen ash-Shami (rah)



    قوله : ويكفرون أصحاب نبينا صلى الله عليه وسلم ) علمت

    أن هذا غير شرط في مسمى الخوارج ، بل هو بيان لمن خرجوا على سيدنا علي رضي الله تعالى عنه ، وإلا فيكفي فيهم اعتقادهم كفر من خرجوا عليه ، كما وقع في زماننا في أتباع عبد الوهاب الذين خرجوا من نجد وتغلبوا على الحرمين وكانوا ينتحلون مذهب الحنابلة ، لكنهم اعتقدوا أنهم هم المسلمون وأن من خالف اعتقادهم مشركون ، واستباحوا بذلك قتل أهل السنة وقتل علمائهم حتى كسر الله تعالى شوكتهم وخرب بلادهم وظفر بهم عساكر المسلمين عام ثلاث وثلاثين ومائتين وألف )

    (رد المحتار على الدر المختار (4/ 262) كتاب البغاة)

    Translation: (Ibn ‘Abidin:) His words and who consider the Companions of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) to be disbelievers are not a condition for someone to be a kharijite, but rather are a mere clarification of what those who revolted against ‘Ali (Allah Most High be well pleased with him) in fact did. Otherwise, it is enough to be convinced of the unbelief of those they fight against, as happened in our own times with the followers of [Muhammad ibn] ‘Abd al-Wahhab, who came out of the Najd in revolt, and took over the sanctuaries of Mecca and Medina. They followed the Hanbali madhhab, but believed that they were the Muslims, and that those who believed differently than they did were polytheists (mushrikin). On this basis, they held it lawful to kill Sunni Muslims (Ahl al-Sunna) and their religious scholars, until Allah Most High dispelled their forces, and the armies of the Muslims attacked their strongholds and subdued them in 1233 A.H. [1818] [Ibn Abideen – Rahimuhullah in Radd ul Mukhtar ala Dur al Mukhtar, Volume No.4, Page No. 262]





    Imam Ahmed al Sawi (Rahimuhullah)



    Imam Ahmed al Sawi (Rahimuhullah) in his magnificent commentary over Tafsir al Jalalyn by Imam Jalal ud din Suyuti (rah) explains this verse : Truly, the Devil is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy: he only calls his party to become of the inhabitants of the blaze" (Qur’an 35:6) as:


    وقيل هذه الآية نزلت في الخوارج الذين يحرفون تأويل الكتاب والسنة ويستحلون بذلك دماء المسلمين وأموالهم كما هو مشاهد الآن في نظائرهم، وهم فرقة بأرض الحجاز يقال لهم الوهابية يحسبون أنهم على شىء ألا انهم هم الكاذبون، استحوذ عليهم الشيطان فأنساهم ذكر الله أولئك حزب الشيطان ألا إن حزب الشيطان هم الخاسرون، نسأل الله الكريم أن يقطع دابرهم

    Translation: It is said this verse was revealed about the Kharijites [foretelling their appearance], who altered the interpretation of the Qur’an and Sunnah, on the strength of which they declared it lawful to kill and take the property of Muslims—as may now be seen in their modern counterparts; namely, a sect in the Hijaz called "Wahabiya, (فرقة بأرض الحجاز يقال لهم الوهابية)" who "think they are on something, truly they are the liars (Kadhibeen). Satan has gained mastery over them and made them forget Allah’s remembrance. Those are Satan’s party, truly Satan’s party, they are the losers" (Qur’an 58:18–19). We ask Allah Most Generous to extirpate them completely [Hashiya al-Sawi ‘ala al-Jalalayn, 3.255]

    Note: This Tafsir was tried to be forged and the sentence which mentions Wahabiyyah was removed by the same sect in order to fool people, but they were unsuccessful in it.

    Original article: http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php...=82&Itemid=145
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    O ye who believe! Let not some among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, after he has believed: And those who do not desist are doing wrong. (QURAN, Sura Hujurat, 49:11)

    #2
    Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

    very insightful post brother, May Allah swt reward you, Ameen.
    glass half empty

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      #3
      Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

      Good luck!
      46 & 2?

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        #4
        Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

        Assalam alaikum


        We are used to see people doing coment from hadith ect ,with the desire , and they take some hadiths wich need to make coment on them ,soo they make coment with their desire just too put people astray , too put muslim away from the simple and corect belief wich Allah orders us in Quran and throught His Profet alajhi salm


        Ali Imran (3) Verse 44

        "This is a part of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of the past nations of which you have no knowledge) which We inspire you with (O Muhammad r). You were not with them, when they cast lots with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed."


        Allah in this aya informs Profet alajhi salam and us too , that he alajhi salam didnt now what happent before him alajhi salam , This mean he didnt know the gajb (secret, unseen things)

        Ali Imran (3) Verse 179

        "Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which you are now, until He distinguishes the wicked from the good. Nor will Allah disclose to you the secrets of the Ghaib (unseen), but Allah chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases. So believe in Allah and His Messengers. And if you believe and fear Allah, then for you there is a great reward."

        In this aya Allah informed us that Allah will not revel the gajb to every people .(He reveled some of the gajb to His Profets alajhimu salam)



        Al Maidah (5) Verse 109

        "On the Day when Allah will gather the Messengers together and say to them: "What was the response you received (from men to your teaching)? They will say: "We have no knowledge, verily, only You are the AllKnower of all that is hidden (or unseen, etc.)."


        In this aya Allah inform us that in the day of jugdment the Profets alajhimu salam will say we dont know what they (their followers) did after we died , this tells us clear that they didnt know the future -what will they doo after they die etc .

        Al An'am (6) Verse 50] , Al An'am (6) Verse 59

        "Say (O Muhammad r): "I dont tell you that with me are the treasures of Allah, nor (that) I know the unseen; nor I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me by inspiration." Say: "Are the blind and the one who sees equal? will you not then take thought?"


        "And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record."


        In this two aya Allah orders the Profet Muhammad alajhi salam to say that he dosnt have the treasures of Allah in his hand and Allah orders him alajhi salam too say that he dosnt know the gajb (unseen things, the future ) , and that Profet alajhi salam just followes the orders from Allah , and that only Allah has the treasures in His hands and that only He knows the unseen ,the future .

        Al A'raf (7) Verse 187

        "They ask you about the Hour (Day of Resurrection): "When will be its appointed time?" Say: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord (Alone). None can reveal its time but He. Heavy is its burden through the heavens and the earth. It shall not come upon you except all of a sudden." They ask you as if you have a good knowledge of it. Say: "The knowledge thereof is with Allah (Alone) but most of mankind know not."


        Allah inform us that only Allah knows the day of Resurrection , and nobody else dosnt know , not even the Profet alajhi salam , not even the Angels

        Al A'raf (7) Verse 188

        "Say (O Muhammad r): "I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe."

        In this aya Allah orders Profet alajhi salam too say that Profet alajhi salam dont have any power too take what he whants from good things and too remove the bad things in the world ,and that he dosnt know the future , and it is soo clear the aya - if he alajhi salam would of known the future he alajhi salam would collect all the good things and would leave all the bad things wich could happend in future ,but as he alajhi salam says , he alajhi salam dosnt know what will happend in future


        Yunus (10) Verse 20

        "And they say: "How is it that not a sign is sent down on him from his Lord?" Say: "The unseen belongs to Allah Alone, so wait you, verily I am with you among those who wait (for Allahs Judgement)."


        Only Allah knows the unseen , the future .

        [COLOR="Blue"]Huud (11) Verse 31 , Huud (11) Verse 123

        "And I do not say to you that with me are the Treasures of Allah, "Nor that I know the Ghaib (unseen); "nor do I say I am an angel, and I do not say of those whom your eyes look down upon that Allah will not bestow any good on them. Allah knows what is in their inner-selves (as regards belief, etc.). In that case, I should, indeed be one of the Zalimoon (wrong-doers, oppressors, etc.)."


        "And to Allah belongs the Ghaib (unseen) of the heavens and the earth, and to Him return all affairs (for decision). So worship Him (O Muhammad r) and put your trust in Him. And your Lord is not unaware of what you (people) do."

        Again Allah orders the Profet alajhi salam to say that i dont have the treasures of Allah in my hand and that i dont know the unseen,future . Only Allah knows the unseen and the future .


        An Naml (27) Verse 65

        "Say: "None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (unseen) except Allah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected."

        Only Allah knows the unseen ,future , but Allah has reveled some of the things from the future to the Profet alajhi salam , as Profet alajhi salam said , i doo what Allah orders me and revel me

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        Second issue :

        As for the hadith that muslim will no doo shirk and that they will not go away from islam , again the hadith it has been coment with the desire of the sect like sufii , they whant too find any kind of argument to justifie their vain belief and action wich has nothing to do with islam

        We have one person wich was sahaba and he become kafir , we have in the time of Abu Bakar people that become murted ( gone out of islam ) -they become kufar , soo hadith dosnt mean that no one will not doo big shirk , or small shirk .

        Hadith speak about people that will follow the Quran and Sunna , as Profet alajhi salam said , " hold to Quran and Sunna and you will not be lost ", and hadith dosnt speak about sects that follow their vain belief .

        From hadith we see that muslim can be lost , but if they follow the Quran and Sunna they will not be lost

        As for khawarij , they do takfir when people doo small sin , like driking alchol , zina etc

        But when people doo big shirk and big kufer than there is no islam there and this sin takes out of islam the person that does that .

        The small shirk and small kufer dosnt take muslim out of islam , but the small shirk and small kufer is biger sin then zina, riba etc .

        The takfir is part of islam , it is obligated to make takfir on people wich doo clear shirk and kufer , like mushriks,christains,jew etc , without the takfir their is no line of border in islam , the takifr is the line of border in Islam

        But in some cases when it is not clear ,than we must ask the schoolar about that and we are not alowed to make takfir without clear knowlegde.
        Last edited by Dhulkarnein; 01-03-10, 12:53 AM.
        “Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.”

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          #5
          Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

          Asalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

          Jazakallah khayr dhulkarnein for your comment and different view.

          I understand your perspective, but I don't believe that these hadith which were quoted originally are saying that Muhammad(saws) has knowledge of Ghaib.

          Volume 5, Book 59, Number 568: (Sahih Bukhari)
          Narrated Usama bin Zaid: Allah's Apostle sent us towards Al-Huruqa, and in the morning we attacked them and defeated them. I and an Ansari man followed a man from among them and when we took him over, he said, "La ilaha illal-Lah." On hearing that, the Ansari man stopped, but I killed him by stabbing him with my spear. When we returned, the Prophet came to know about that and he said, "O Usama! Did you kill him after he had said "La ilaha ilal-Lah?" I said, "But he said so only to save himself." The Prophet kept on repeating that so often that I wished I had not embraced Islam before that day.

          If someone says "La ilaha illallah" then they should be treated as a Muslim. Obviously if someone is doing clear acts of shirk and bida'a, we should warn them against doing such, and quote Qur'an and Hadith in a peaceful manner, but we should never insult them and say "Kafr!" to them because that will only make matters worst, and is also warned against in both Qur'an and Ahadith.
          We must understand that there are two dimensions to Hikmah. Firstly, there is the Hikmah of knowledge - Hikmah Ilmiyyah. And secondly, there is the Hikmah of Action - Hikmah Amaliyyah.

          Some people may have Hikmah of knowledge. But we see that when they try correcting others, advising them, they lack the Hikmah of Action. This causes many a common folk to reject the Hikmah of knowledge.

          To illustrate this hikmah of knowledge without Hikmah of action, a brother once completed the Salah in a local Masjid and then proceeded to shake hands with the people on his right and left. The brother to his immediate right slapped his hand and snapped, "That is not part of the Sunnah!" The man replied most correctly, "Oh, is disrespect and insult part of the Sunnah?"

          never trade in kind words for harshness, especially when dealing with other Muslims.

          Look at the power of a sincere and polite word:
          Mus'ab ibn Umayr was the first of ambassador of Rasul Allah in Madinah. Before Rasul Allah had arrived in Madinah, Mus'ab taught ahl al-Madinah about Islam and they began to enter the Deen.

          This enraged Sa'd ibn 'Ubaadah, one of the chieftains of Madinah. He sheathed his sword and set off for the head of Mus'ab ibn 'Umayr. When he confronted Mus'ab he threatened, "Stop this nonsense you speak or you shall find yourself dead!"

          Mus'ab replied in the way that should be a lesson for us all. This man before him did not stop at rudeness and ignorance, he wanted to slit his throat.

          Mus'ab said, "Shall you not sit and listen for a few moments. If you agree with what I say then take it, and if not, we shall desist from this talk." Sa'd sat down.

          Mus'ab spoke about Allah and His messenger until the face of Sa'd ibn Ubaadah's face shone like a full moon and he said, "What should a person do who wishes to enter into this Deen?" After Mus'ab had told him he said, "There is a man, if he accepts this Deen, there shall be no home in Madinah that will not become Muslim. Sa'd ibn Mu'aadh."

          When Sa'd ibn Mu'aadh heard what was happening, he was infuriated. He left his home to go and kill this man called Mus'ab ibn Umayr for the dissention he had caused. He entered upon Mus'ab and announced, "You shall desist of this religion you speak of or you shall find yourself dead!"

          Mus'ab replied, "Shall you not sit and listen for a few moments. If you agree with what I say then take it, and if not, I shall desist from this talk." Sa'd sat.

          Mus'ab spoke about Allah and His messenger until the face of Sa'd ibn Mu'aadh's face shone like a full moon and he said, "What should a person do who wishes to enter into this Deen?"

          Look at what a kind word did. Sa'd ibn Mu'aadh went home to his Madinan tribe that night and announced to them all, "Everything of yours is Haram upon me until you all enter into Islam."

          That night, every home in Madinah went to bed with Laa ilaaha illa Allah...all because of a kind word.


          Subhanallah akhi

          A Bedouin came to Rasul Allah and told him, "Give me from what Allah gave you, not from the wealth of your mother nor from the wealth of your father." The Sahaabah were furious at the man and step forward to discipline him for what he said. Rasul Allah commanded everyone to leave him.

          Then by the hand, Rasul Allah took him home, opened his door and said, "Take what you wish and leave what you wish." The man did so and after he completed, Rasul Allah asked him, "Have I honored you?" "Yes, by Allah," said the Bedouin. "Ash hadu an laa ilaaha illa Allah, wa ashhadu anna Muhammadar Rasul Allah." (Meaning he embraced Islam)

          When the Sahabah heard of how the man changed, Rasul Allah taught them. "Verily the example of myself, you and this Bedouin is that of a man who had his camel run away. The townspeople tried capturing the camel for him by running and shouting after the camel, only driving it further away. The man would shout, 'Leave me and my camel, I know my camel better.' Then he took some grass in his hand, ruffled it in front of the camel, until it came willingly.

          'By Allah, had I left you to this Bedouin, you would have hit him, hurt him, he would have left without Islam and eventually have entered hellfire."


          Please refer to this thread for more info: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...ould-be-BE-ONE!

          Inshallah this makes more sense now... I'm not saying that people who are threatening Islamic knowledge should be ignored, no, but no one should ever call another person a Kafir. That (declaring someone a kafir) is only for Allah (SWT) to decide.

          Allahu 3alem,

          Asalaamu alaikum,
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          O ye who believe! Let not some among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, after he has believed: And those who do not desist are doing wrong. (QURAN, Sura Hujurat, 49:11)

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            #6
            Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

            you wrote about dawa -calling people to islam , and from the dawa rules is too be kind and to call with wisdom

            But it is not alowed to say like this " we dont know if christians ,jew,mushriks ect are nonbelievers " , this is wrong too say , because Allah and His Profet alajhi salam called them nonbelievers , and it is from the bases of islam to call them kufars , and the one that dosnt call them kufar he makes kufer , all schoolar agree that if one muslims dosnt make takfir on jew,christians,mushriks -he becomes kafir too , because he makes them a same as muslim , he makes their belief same as muslim.

            But when we speak with nonmuslim , we dont scream at them and say to them you are kufar ect , we inform them what Allah says, and what Profet alajhi salam says , we inform them what they have to belief , and if they beleif they are our brothers ,if not-then they are still nonbelievers .
            “Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.”

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              #7
              Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

              Asalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu Dhulkarnein,

              Jazakallah khayr once again for your response, I appreciate this dialogue between us, and may Allah (SWT) reveal the truth to all of us, Ameen.

              Inshallah akhi would you please read this article http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1209357934588




              The question was asked "Why does the Qur'an refer to Jews and Christians as kuffar or infidels? What kind of respect and tolerance is that?"

              And it was answered by Dr. Jamal Badawi of IslamOnline.net





              Here is a big mistake with translation, one that is sometimes committed by Muslims, too. If you look at the English dictionary meaning of infidel, you would find that it means someone who does not have a faith or does not believe in Allah. Does the Qur'an say that the Jews and Christians do not believe in Allah? No. In Surat Al-`Ankabut (29:46), Allah says that the God of Christians, Jews, and Muslims is one and the same. The word infidel is an inaccurate translation of the word kafir in this case.

              The term kafir, referring to a person, or kufr, referring to an act, is used in the Qur'an in a variety of contextual meanings. This is why I hesitate to use even the terms non-believer or disbeliever for the translation, as is it is not clear from these English terms what is the object of unbelief or disbelief, it is God, a particular prophet, or others?

              I would prefer to use the term non-Muslim, as it applies to various categories of kufr, whether it refers to knowingly rejecting the message of Islam (disbelief) or being a non-Muslim due to the lack of awareness of the authentic message of Islam (unbelief). Following are examples of the varied contextual uses of the term kufr in the Qur'an as follows:
              • Kufr is sometimes used in a positive sense. A good believer can also be a kafir. How so? The Qur'an says [Faman yakfur bil taghut wayu'mim billah] (Whoever rejects (yakfur) taghut (oppression) and believes in Allah) (Al-Baqarah 2:56). Anyone who believes in one thing is a kafir (rejecter) of its opposite.
              • Kufr can be used in a neutral or benign sense, as the origin of kufr in the Arabic language means "to cover up." A farmer who puts a seed in the ground and covers it up is performing kufr. Spiritually, deliberate deviation from the true and authentic prophets is a form of "covering-up" the truth.
              • The word kufr can also be applied to Muslims who do something wrong, although not necessarily something that would place them outside the state of belief in Islam. For example, a Muslim who is able to go for Hajj but does not go, without denying the need to go, would be committing an act of kufr in a sense of their being ungrateful to Allah (3:96-97).
              • Kufr is used in the Qur'an as the opposite of shukr (to be grateful) (Luqman 31:12).
              • Kafir is used in the Qur'an, not only to refer to Jews or Christians, but also those who rejected the prophets and denied the existence of God. It has been used to refer to the people of Noah and the people of Abraham. It has also been used to refer to those who denied prophethood and rejected the existence of Allah altogether, which obviously is not the case with Christians and Jews.
              • Kafir can also be used in a more serious sense, but with a variety of meanings. It refers to the rejection of Islam. It describes one who knows the truth, but rejects it out of pride or vanity. It describes a person who knows the truth in his or her heart and deliberately rejects it.

            Nonetheless, we cannot clearly assess this situation. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) gave Muslims very clear instructions after one incident when people assumed to know why someone had professed belief in Islam. He asked them whether they had opened up his heart, and if they knew whether what was in his heart was sincere or not. The bottom line is that we have to leave judging people's faith to Allah; only Allah knows the sincerity of a particular person's acceptance. Allah is All-Knowing, and He is the only Judge of all of us.

            And Allah ta'ala knows best.

            Wasalaam akhi
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            O ye who believe! Let not some among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, after he has believed: And those who do not desist are doing wrong. (QURAN, Sura Hujurat, 49:11)

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              #8
              Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

              Originally posted by Dhulkarnein View Post
              you wrote about dawa -calling people to islam , and from the dawa rules is too be kind and to call with wisdom

              But it is not alowed to say like this " we dont know if christians ,jew,mushriks ect are nonbelievers " , this is wrong too say , because Allah and His Profet alajhi salam called them nonbelievers , and it is from the bases of islam to call them kufars , and the one that dosnt call them kufar he makes kufer , all schoolar agree that if one muslims dosnt make takfir on jew,christians,mushriks -he becomes kafir too , because he makes them a same as muslim , he makes their belief same as muslim.

              But when we speak with nonmuslim , we dont scream at them and say to them you are kufar ect , we inform them what Allah says, and what Profet alajhi salam says , we inform them what they have to belief , and if they beleif they are our brothers ,if not-then they are still nonbelievers .
              Quran didn't call all Christians, Jews and polytheists Kufar. Rather Kufar is a person whom the proof has come to and denies out hate towards the truth and attachment to dunya, covers what he knows.

              However, when people show eminity towards the light and the truth and becoming fanatic against it and fight to extinguish it, this exposes their Kufr. However, you can't say ever non Muslim is a Kaffer.

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                #9
                Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                Authu bilahi minaysh shaytani rajeem, Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

                Originally posted by PleaseThink View Post
                Quran didn't call all Christians, Jews and polytheists Kufar. Rather Kufar is a person whom the proof has come to and denies out hate towards the truth and attachment to dunya, covers what he knows.

                However, when people show eminity towards the light and the truth and becoming fanatic against it and fight to extinguish it, this exposes their Kufr. However, you can't say ever non Muslim is a Kaffer.
                Asalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

                Jazakallah khayr for your comment, mashallah.

                To reiterate what the scholar has said: The bottom line is that we have to leave judging people's faith to Allah; only Allah knows the sincerity of a particular person's acceptance. Allah is All-Knowing, and He is the only Judge of all of us.

                This is very important, because as we know by Allah (swt)'s 99 names He has told us about, only Allah (swt) possesses those names. And one of Allah (swt)'s names is Al-Hakam (The Judge), and we must never say that we are Al-Hakam, astagfirullah. Only Allah (SWT) is Al-Hakam (The Judge), and by that, Allah (SWT) knows best what is in a person's heart, because Allah (SWT) also is Al-Basir (The Seer Of All), meaning He has knowledge of everything including the Ghayb (Unseen). People's hearts are Ghayb to us, but clear to Al-Basir, and true faith and piety is known to Al-Basir but is not known to us. We can only guess and follow conjecture when we attempt to judge a person, this is why Muhammad(saws) said according to Hadith: "Whoever bears testimony against a Muslim of which the latter is not deserving, let him prepare for himself a seat in the Hell fire."

                And please recognize the wisdom in these ahadith inshallah:

                عن عبيد الله بن عمر عن نافع أن رجلا قال لإبن عمر أن لي جارا يشهد علي بالشرك فقال قل لا إله إلا الله تكذبه

                Translation: From `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar, from Nafi`: A man said to Ibn `Umar: "I have a neighbor who bears witness against me that I commit shirk." He replied: "Say: 'La Ilaha ill Allah,' you will make him a liar."[Imam Ibn Asakir in Tibyan al Kadhib al Muftari, Page No. 373]


                ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أنس بن مالك ‏ ‏قال ‏
                قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ثلاث من ‏ ‏أصل ‏ ‏الإيمان ‏ ‏الكف ‏ ‏عمن قال لا إله إلا الله ولا نكفره بذنب ولا نخرجه من الإسلام بعمل والجهاد ماض منذ بعثني الله إلى أن يقاتل آخر أمتي ‏ ‏الدجال ‏ ‏لا يبطله ‏ ‏جور ‏ ‏جائر ‏ ‏ولا عدل عادل والإيمان بالأقدار ‏


                Translation: Anas bin Malik (ra) narrates from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) who said: Three things are the roots of faith (1) To refrain from (killing) a person who says “La ILaha IL Allah” (2) Not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits (3) and also not to declare him out of Islam due to any of his deed. Jihad continues from the day I was sent as Prophet to the day that last member of my community fight with the Dajjal. The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine Decree. [Sunnan Abu Dawud, Volume No. 2, Hadith # 2170]


                Astagfirullah for any wrong I have said.

                Allahu 3alem, Allah (SWT) Knows best. Ameen.

                Asalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
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                O ye who believe! Let not some among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former) Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, after he has believed: And those who do not desist are doing wrong. (QURAN, Sura Hujurat, 49:11)

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                  #10
                  Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                  The saying of La ilaha il-lallah has his conditon , it is not just a word, and if the conditon are fullfilld than the word is compled

                  If one person goes against that word , if he does big shirk , like praying to dead people ect , than his saying La ilahe il-lallah is not exepted , because he goes against that word , he makes shirk wich is a act of mushriks .

                  word La ilaha il-lallah means to worship only Allah and not people , worshiping people is big shirk and that person is not a muslim , even if he says shahada .
                  “Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.”

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                    #11
                    Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                    Alaikom Asalaam Wa rahmatallah wa barakatu

                    May God bless those trying to establish peace and love between people and May God reward you efforts at extinguishing this Fitna of Takfeer with lights in your soul and Barzakh.

                    wa salam

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                      #12
                      Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                      Originally posted by Dhulkarnein View Post
                      The saying of La ilaha il-lallah has his conditon , it is not just a word, and if the conditon are fullfilld than the word is compled

                      If one person goes against that word , if he does big shirk , like praying to dead people ect , than his saying La ilahe il-lallah is not exepted , because he goes against that word , he makes shirk wich is a act of mushriks .

                      word La ilaha il-lallah means to worship only Allah and not people , worshiping people is big shirk and that person is not a muslim , even if he says shahada .
                      Salam

                      Every Sin is against that word. If you think about, you accepting God's greatness would mean in full truthfulness you should not sin. People confused if they allowed to do something or not or an act that contradicts an implication that comes out of faith in God's Unity, doesn't expell one from faith.

                      The other issue is that Worship is a degree of reverence and importance you give. Bravelies don't give more importance/reverence to their Saints than what all Muslims give to Nabi Mohammad (saw), so how can what they do at graves or seeking their intercession, be worship, when Muslims revere and heighten and give more importance to Mohammad (saw) then they do to their Saints? If they are Worshipping them, then all Muslims are worshipping Mohammad (saw).

                      Stop with the hate and fitna bro, you will be responsible for spreading this fasad in the earth on yamal qiyama.

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                        Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                        Originally posted by PleaseThink View Post
                        Quran didn't call all Christians, Jews and polytheists Kufar. Rather Kufar is a person whom the proof has come to and denies out hate towards the truth and attachment to dunya, covers what he knows.

                        However, when people show eminity towards the light and the truth and becoming fanatic against it and fight to extinguish it, this exposes their Kufr. However, you can't say ever non Muslim is a Kaffer.
                        If one person dosnt believe what we muslim believ , what is he , is he muslim or what ?

                        And their is no midle , he must be or muslim or nonmuslim .

                        The one wich is not muslim is kafir .

                        Do you know the word muslim what it means , and to you know what word Islam means ?
                        “Has not the Time arrived for the Believers that their hearts in all humility should engage in the remembrance of Allah and of the Truth which has been revealed (to them), and that they should not become like those to whom was given Revelation aforetime, but long ages passed over them and their hearts grew hard? For many among them are rebellious transgressors.”

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                          #14
                          Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                          Originally posted by Dhulkarnein View Post
                          And their is no midle ,
                          What are the Mustafeen in Quran that God says he may forgive them and he is forgiving?

                          There is others classifications then Mustafeen in the middle of neither this and that, but I just gave one example.

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                            #15
                            Re: The Fitnah of Takfir

                            Originally posted by Dhulkarnein View Post

                            Do you know the word muslim what it means , and to you know what word Islam means ?
                            Submitter/at peace, Submission/peace.

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