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    ? Maria the Copt /the concubine thread

    :salams, I have a few questions about Maria the Copt

    since she was a copt (Egyptian Christian) how come she is still given the title of Ummul Mu'mineen ?

    did she ever convert ? and if not, is it true that Umar ibn al Khattab led her janazah? and if that's true, why ?

    I'm not trying to be smart, I was just wondering if anyone knows of any good books on Maria, please share them.

    :jkk:

    #2
    Re: ? Maria the Copt

    salaam, i think the historians have a difference of opinion whether rasoolallah ever married her or she stayed a concubine. and also whether she became a muslim.

    read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya
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      #3
      Re: ? Maria the Copt

      Originally posted by *Sarah View Post
      :salams, I have a few questions about Maria the Copt

      since she was a copt (Egyptian Christian) how come she is still given the title of Ummul Mu'mineen ?

      did she ever convert ? and if not, is it true that Umar ibn al Khattab led her janazah? and if that's true, why ?

      I'm not trying to be smart, I was just wondering if anyone knows of any good books on Maria, please share them.

      :jkk:
      The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not marry Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah, rather she was a concubine who was given to him by al-Muqawqis, the ruler of Egypt. That took place after the treaty of al-Hudaybiyah. Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah was a Christian, then she became Muslim (may Allaah be pleased with her).

      Ibn Sa’d said:

      The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) lodged her – meaning Mariyah al-Qibtiyyah and her sister – with Umm Sulaym bint Milhaan, and the Messenger of Allaah (S) entered upon them and told them about Islam. He took Mariyah as a concubine and moved her to some property of his in al-‘Awaali… and she became a good Muslim.

      Al-Tabaqaat al-Kubra, 1/134-135

      Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr said:

      Mariyah died during the caliphate of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, in Muharram of 16 AH. ‘Umar gathered the people himself to attend her funeral, and he led the funeral prayer for her. She was buried in al-Baqee’.

      Al-Isti’aab, 4/ 1912

      Mariyah (may Allaah be pleased with her) was one of the Prophet’s concubines, not one of his wives. The Mothers of the Believers are the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

      “The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their (believers’) mothers (as regards respect and marriage)”

      [al-Ahzaab 33:6]

      The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had four concubines, one of whom was Mariyah.

      Ibn al-Qayyim said:

      Abu ‘Ubaydah said: He had four (concubines): Mariyah, who was the mother of his son Ibraaheem; Rayhaanah; another beautiful slave woman whom he acquired as a prisoner of war; and a slave woman who was given to him by Zaynab bint Jahsh.

      Zaad al-Ma’aad, 1/114

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        #4
        Re: ? Maria the Copt

        ..concubine ??

        A concubine is generally a woman in an ongoing, matrimonial-like relationship with a man, whom she cannot marry for any reason.

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          #5
          Re: ? Maria the Copt

          what on earth.. this is the first I've heard of this. I knew the ayah in suratul nisa but.. what ?

          Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.

          A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.

          This is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa’eel (may peace be upon them all).

          Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.

          Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”

          [al-Nisa’ 4:3]

          What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own.
          And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

          [al-Ahzaab 33:50]

          “And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

          Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

          But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
          [al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]

          Al-Tabari said:

          Allaah says, “And those who guard their chastity” i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.

          Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84

          Ibn Katheer said:

          Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.

          Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383

          And Ibn Katheer also said:

          The phrase “and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham’oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.

          Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500

          The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.

          Ibn Qudaamah said:

          There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

          Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

          [al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

          Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, “Her son set her free.” Haajar, the mother of Isma’eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ‘Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers

          Al-Mughni, 10/441

          Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

          Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

          Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

          [al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

          The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.

          Al-Umm, 5/43.

          The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.

          And Allaah knows best.

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            #6
            Re: ? Maria the Copt

            curiouser and curiouser...

            Allaah is Most Wise in the laws that He decrees for His slaves, but this wisdom is only apparent to those who seek it and believe that Allaah is All Wise, and looks at the interests that are served by the laws of Allaah which no man can see unless he ponders the matter, especially when there are those who attack those laws because they go against what they think are right and wise.

            With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

            “And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

            6. Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

            [al-Mu’minoon 23:6; al-Ma’aarij 70:30]

            That is subject to the condition that he has acquired her in a proper manner, and that this slave woman has not been given by her master in marriage to another man to whom she is still married. The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).

            Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah grants victory to the mujaahid Muslims, who are offering their souls, their wealth and all their resources and everything that Allaah has given them so that the word of Allaah might prevail over the kuffaar, then these kuffaar may become slaves, unless the imam chooses to let them go or to ransom them if that serves the interests of the Muslims.

            Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/387

            Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

            If it is said: If the slave is a Muslim, how can he be kept as a slave if the reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger? The answer is that the basic principle which is well known to the scholars and all wise people is that a right that is already established by shar’i means cannot be superceded by rights that are established later on.

            When the Muslims take prisoners of war, they are given the right to enslave them by the law of the Creator of all, and He is the All-Wise, All-Aware. If this right is established, then the slave becomes a Muslim after that, his right to be freed from slavery because of his Islam is superceded by the right of the mujaahid whose right to enslave him took effect before he was a Muslim. It is not just or fair to waive the former right because of a latter right, as is well known to all wise people.

            Yes, it is good for the owner to set him free if he becomes Muslim, and Islam enjoins that and encourages it, and opens the door to doing so in many ways – he is referring to the fact that Allaah has decreed that when expiation takes the form of freeing a slave, the slave in question should be a Muslim –

            Glory be to the All Wise, All Aware: “And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Knower” [al-An’aam 6:115].

            “In truth” means in what He has told us; “in justice” means in His rulings.

            Undoubtedly that justice includes owning slaves and other rulings that are mentioned in the Qur’aan.

            Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/389.

            With regard to Muslims owning slaves, he should be very careful to establish that those who are bought or sold now are indeed slaves, because Islam has limited the sources of slaves which were many before the coming of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and has allowed only one source, which is kaafir prisoners of war, when the kuffaar are fighting the Muslims. There is no other way in which they may be enslaved except those who are captured as a result of fighting between kaffirs and Muslims, or their children. See also questions no. 26067 and 12562 for more information.

            And Allaah knows best.

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              #7
              Re: ? Maria the Copt

              wow I'm really glad I opened this topic :alhumdull

              Allah granted slaves and concubines — who had not yet gained their liberty — many human rights that had never been given to them before.
              For example, when a concubine begot a child by her master, the child would immediately be recognized as legal and free. The child would carry the father's name and inherit the same like any brothers and sisters begotten by wives. As for the concubine herself, she is directly elevated to a higher status, that is of om-el-walad (legal mother of a legal child). Her owner can no longer sell her as a slave and in case he dies, she is automatically free.


              So going on this peice of information.. Maria gave birth to Ibrahim and became um al walad, but of course he sadly died. Was she then still um al walad after his death and if so, doesn't that mean that she should be granted the title of ummul mu'mineen ?

              Also, is there a limit on the number of concubines a man can have ?

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                #8
                Re: ? Maria the Copt

                I don't know about numbers but Islam encourages marrying them and freeing them, I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that if they convert to Islam they must be freed?

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                  #9
                  Re: ? Maria the Copt

                  Originally posted by *Sarah View Post
                  wow I'm really glad I opened this topic :alhumdull

                  Allah granted slaves and concubines — who had not yet gained their liberty — many human rights that had never been given to them before.
                  For example, when a concubine begot a child by her master, the child would immediately be recognized as legal and free. The child would carry the father's name and inherit the same like any brothers and sisters begotten by wives. As for the concubine herself, she is directly elevated to a higher status, that is of om-el-walad (legal mother of a legal child). Her owner can no longer sell her as a slave and in case he dies, she is automatically free.


                  So going on this peice of information.. Maria gave birth to Ibrahim and became um al walad, but of course he sadly died. Was she then still um al walad after his death and if so, doesn't that mean that she should be granted the title of ummul mu'mineen ?

                  Also, is there a limit on the number of concubines a man can have ?

                  nope, the wives are the 11.1 whom had children.shehas rights and other then this but she is not one of the wives and does not meet the req of the title because that is specific to our beloved Prophet (saw) wives, our beloved mothers.

                  There is no specific number one can have If i remember correctly.

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                    #10
                    Re: ? Maria the Copt

                    Originally posted by *Sarah View Post
                    curiouser and curiouser....[/I]
                    not really... in those days slavery was a well-establishd social institution

                    what is curiouser is that some people claim that these principles still apply today i e that it wud be still possible for muslims to own slaves and have sex with female slaves

                    in a nutshell, those principles have to placed in their proper historical context

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                      #11
                      Re: ? Maria the Copt

                      Originally posted by zsamirah View Post
                      not really... in those days slavery was a well-establishd social institution

                      what is curiouser is that some people claim that these principles still apply today i e that it wud be still possible for muslims to own slaves and have sex with female slaves

                      in a nutshell, those principles have to placed in their proper historical context
                      you can still have concubines these days, but there are regulations on how the slave/concubine is acquired. But of course it's better to free slaves. read post number 6 :insha:

                      I love learning :inlove:

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                        #12
                        Re: ? Maria the Copt

                        Originally posted by *Sarah View Post
                        you can still have concubines these days, but there are regulations on how the slave/concubine is acquired.:
                        slavery is abolished (at least in theory) everywhere

                        anyone in favour of reestablishing it ?

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                          #13
                          Re: ? Maria the Copt

                          Originally posted by zsamirah View Post
                          slavery is abolished (at least in theory) everywhere

                          anyone in favour of reestablishing it ?

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                            #14
                            Re: ? Maria the Copt

                            Yes, there are. because if you think they can not be taken then you say there is not jihad in todays time, which is incorrect.
                            There was Jihad Yesterday, There is Jihad Today. By Allah, there will be Jihad tommorow.

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                              #15
                              Re: ? Maria the Copt

                              Originally posted by zsamirah View Post
                              slavery is abolished (at least in theory) everywhere

                              anyone in favour of reestablishing it ?
                              and i believe this was the goal as Islam is a living Deen and it gradually changed peoples condition from worse to better

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