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  • Reflections from al Andalus [ Islamic Spain ]

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  • #2
    Here is a voice from far of al-andalus. it is from fatimah mother of Boabdil last muslim ameer of Moorish spain, to her son You may well cry like a woman for all those things you failed to defend like a man.
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    • #3
      And let's not forget the Christian Martyrs in Muslim Spain
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      • #4
        fides interesting book i will definitely read it once i have time for it.
        keep in mind that according to the orthodox Islamic jurisprudence anyone who slanders God or His Prophet Muhammad[saw] or any other prophet like Moses[as], Jesus[as], David[as], Jacob[as], Joseph[as], Aaron [as] etc. or any of the angels like Gabriel, micheal, etc. deserves death penality. I follow the Maliki or Madinian school of orthodox Islam and the jurisdiction of the same school was applied in Spain under the Muslim rule. Here is the ruling regarding this matter according to our jurisprudence, taken from the work al Risala of the Maliki jurist Ibn Abi Zayd al Qayrawani:


        37.19h. Insulting the Messenger of Allah

        If someone curses the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, he is killed and his repentance is not accepted. If one of the people of dhimma[ non Muslim citizens of the Islamic state] abuses him outside of that which constitutes his disbelief or curses Allah Almighty other than what constitutes his disbelief, he is killed unless he becomes Muslim.

        [ When he says something to deprecate him. His execution is a hadd and hence it is of no use if he repents or denies it when there is clear evidence of it. Repentance does not cancel a hadd. This is why he says that his repentance is not accepted.]

        [The same principle applies to someone who curses one of the Prophets or one of the angels or denies one of the Books of Allah. If someone abuses someone whose prophethood is a matter of dispute, like al-Khidr, he is strongly punished but not killed.
        Statements of dhimmis which constitutes their disbelief would be things like a Jew saying, "He is not a messenger to us, Our Messenger is Musa." Abuse beyond their intrinsic disbelief would be criticising the character of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. An example of that which constitutes his disbelief is saying that God is three or that He has a son.]


        [source : al Risala, chapter 37, section 3: crimes against Islam]

        So those christians killed in cordoba were not martyrs but deserved death and even other christians felt ashamed of them.
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        • #5
          It was a complicated situation, I haven't read all of it myself yet.
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          • #6
            And don't forget. Fides, the christians who lived under the protection of muslims would later be persecuted as heretics by the invading catholics. Many ended up cooked on the stake just because their christians beliefs differed from catholicism.

            It's amazing to think that moorish Spain developed a tolerant multicultural society a thousand years before the europeans did!

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            • #7
              hopefully, the muslims will get their act together and truly shine as Allah has commanded them, instead of wallowing in the past and making themselves look pretty foolish by this infighting and justifying wrong
              .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
              نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
              دولة الإسلامية باقية





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              • #8
                Andalusians may have reached America before Columbus discovered the west Indies in 1492 He claimed to have seen populations there dressed like Granadan Moors.
                You read statements like this and the whole article goes down the toilet.
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                • #9
                  No matter what biased s*um like fides blab about........... Muslim Spain was one the greatest civilizations of all, The Moors was the epicentre of knowledge of light in the whole world and the greatest universities belonged do that time :)

                  And anyway fides, why don't you accept the truth for some second, you're just showing by denying history that you're some illiterate little bobo from Tampa Bay, Florida!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tahsin
                    No matter what biased s*um like fides blab about........... Muslim Spain was one the greatest civilizations of all, The Moors was the epicentre of knowledge of light in the whole world and the greatest universities belonged do that time :)

                    And anyway fides, why don't you accept the truth for some second, you're just showing by denying history that you're some illiterate little bobo from Tampa Bay, Florida!
                    Some day you will mature Tahsin and learn how to debate like a gentleman, God willing.
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