Originally posted by AdoonkaAlle
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...So if one believes in an Ilah/god beside Allah then he/she cannot be free from Shirk ar-Rububiyyah, this fact is even acknowledged in the fatwa from islamqa. The moment shirk comes in it negates tawheed completely and a person's deeds, beliefs etc become worthless as Allah says in 39:65. How can you then ascribe "general tawheed" to such a person when Allah has already mentioned in His kitaab that they don't have any ?
2 questions here;
2 questions here;
- What do you mean by general tawheed stuff is academic ? do you mean that it has not relevance other than being purely theoretical or ?
- If shirk negates tawheed how is it possible to establish tawheed once it has been negated ie to say one has "general tawheed"
...The point of contention is about the causes that lead a person to be classified as a mushrik. Salafi claim is that the mushrikeen were deemed so because they only committed shirk in tawheed uluhiyyah as they say that mushrikeen had tawheed in rububiyyah. We say they are mushriks because they had shirk in all aspects of tawheed. This is the major difference between salafis and the classical sunni position. How can people who commit shirk in the Oneness of Allah's Lordship be equal to those who don't do such a thing ?...
...According to the salafis it certainly does, they use this "general tawheed" of the mushriks as evidence to establish the claim that tawheed rububiyyah isn't sufficient for an individual to be called a muslim. They say this is why you need tawheed uluhiyyah...
...How can people who commit shirk in the Oneness of Allah's Lordship be equal to us muslims who don't do this ? How can a christian who believes that Isa (peace be upon him) is a Lord with Allah be similar to us muslims ?...
...This belief of affirming "general tawheed" to mushriks and kafirs is indeed without a doubt an innovated belief introduced to the deen, it distorts the definition and meaning of tawheed as stated in the Quran and Sunnah. It's a bidah that eats away at the core of tawheed and erodes it...
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