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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم



    All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds. And may the peace and blessings be upon the Master of all Messengers - our Prophet Muhammad - and upon his family and companions and those who followed them in goodness until the day of judgement.

    To proceed:

    Makkan pagans: It's impossible that only one God exists


    In order for us to understand what the polytheists that our beloved Prophet - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - encountered believed let us first see how Allah - subhanahu wa ta'ala - has described us their state when they were confronted with the call to pure monotheism:

    { وَعَجِبُوۤاْ أَن جَآءَهُم مٌّنذِرٌ مِّنْهُمْ وَقَالَ ٱلْكَافِرُونَ هَـٰذَا سَاحِرٌ كَذَّابٌ }
    { أَجَعَلَ ٱلآلِهَةَ إِلَـٰهاً وَاحِداً إِنَّ هَـٰذَا لَشَيْءٌ عُجَابٌ }

    { And they were surprised that a Herald of Warning came to them from among themselves; and the disbelievers said, “He is a magician, a great liar!” }
    { “Has he made all the Gods into One God? This is really something very strange!” }

    [38:4-5]








    What is clear from the above Ayat is that these polytheists were surprised to hear that there is no God but One God (= Allah 'azza wa jall) and that they could not imagine how that would be possible.

    For a better understanding why they regarded the existance of one God alone as impossible let us see what the scholars of Tafsir said:

    Imam al-Tabari (d. 310 AH) said in his Tafsir regarding the Aya 38:5:

    وقوله: { أجَعَلَ الآلِهَةَ إِلهاً وَاحِداً } يقول: وقال هؤلاء الكافرون الذين قالوا: مـحمد ساحر كذّاب: أجعل مـحمد الـمعبودات كلها واحداً، يسمع دعاءنا جميعنا، ويعلـم عبـادة كل عابد عبدَه منا { إنَّ هَذَا لَشَيْءٌ عُجابٌ }

    With His [mentioning of their] statement { “Has he made all the Gods into One God?” } [Allah] is saying: These disbelievers - who claimed that "Muhammad is a magician, a liar" - said:
    Has Muhammad turned all worshipped beings / things into One [God], who hears all our supplications and knows the worship of all his worshippers? { This is really something very strange! }.

    - end of the quote -

    Imam al-Razi (d. 606 AH)said in the Tafsir of the same Aya:

    وقالوا: { أَجَعَلَ ٱلآلِهَةَ إِلَـٰهاً وٰحِداً وَأَنَّ هَـٰذَا لَشَيْء عُجَابٌ } أي بليغ في التعجب وأقول منشأ التعجب من وجهين الأول: هو أن القوم ما كانوا من أصحاب النظر والاستدلال بل كانت أوهامهم تابعة للمحسوسات فلما وجدوا في الشاهد أن الفاعل الواحد لا تفي قدرته وعلمه بحفظ الخلق العظيم قاسوا الغائب على الشاهد، فقالوا: لا بد في حفظ هذا العالم الكثير من آلهة كثيرة يتكفل كل واحد منهم بحفظ نوع آخر

    And they said: { “Has he made all the Gods into One God? This is really something very strange!” } and this shows astonishment and I say that the reason for [their] astonishment is from two sides:
    The first one: That these people were not from the people of contemplation and reasoning, rather their imagination / perception was [only] bound to that which can be perceived by ones senses. That's why when they saw that in the Shahid (present; that which we perceive) the power and knowledge of one actor / doer [alone] does not suffice to preserve this big creation / world they made an analogy from the Shahid (present) to the Gha`ib (absent; that which we don't perceive); so they said: For the preservation of this diverse world it's necessary that many gods exist and everyone of them takes care of a different kind [of creation].

    - end of the quote -

    The above should be more than enough to understand the general mindset of the polytheists: They can't imagine that one God alone could have enough power, knowledge and control to preserve this big and diverse world and to be aware of the worship of every single worshipper and respond to the supplication of every single one of them. Based upon this they could not accept that one God alone without any partners would be deserving of all worship.
    This is in stark contrast to the belief of Muslims. As Muslims we believe that there is no God but one single God, who has no partner in His Lordship and Divinity whatsoever. He's the creator and sustainer of the universe and controls every single atom and every single particle and whatever exists. Nothing happens in this world except with his knowledge and through his power and with his permission. He has no likeness, no rival, no peer, no match and no equal. Everything is dependent and in need of Him while He is free from any need and completely independent.
    { Proclaim (O dear Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him), “He is Allah, He is One.” } { “Allah is the Un-wanting.” (Perfect, does not require anything.) } { “He has no offspring, nor is He born from anything.” } { “And there is none equal to Him.” } [English Tafsir of Surat al-Ikhlas]


    In the last 200 years however there appeared a deviant group in this Umma which claims that the above mentioned polytheists accepted the lordship of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala completely and without any partners and that most Muslims during Islamic history (including the leading scholars of this Umma!) were worse in polytheism (!) than the pagans of Makka!
    They (i.e. the Wahhabiyya and modern day "Salafiyya") have thrown hundreds of Ayat behind their backs with this claim (as shall be shown) and have put the words of Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab above those of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and his Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam. They have put enemity towards other Muslims into the heart of many laymen and their state has reached such a low that whenever they hear the word "Shirk" / "Kufr" or "Mushrikun" / "Kuffar" they think of other Muslims first and foremost and completely forget about the real polytheists and disbelievers.

    Let's first see what the leaders of the Wahhabiyya and "Salafiyya" exactly claimed.
    Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 26-12-19, 03:27 PM.

  • #2
    Wahhabi leaders: The pagans accepted the lordship of Allah completely and without any partners


    Muhammad bin 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH) - the leader and founder of the Wahhabi / Najdi movement - said in his Kashf al-Shubuhat:

    فإن قال: هؤلاء الآيات نزلت فيمن يعبد الأصنام، كيف تجعلون الصالحين مثل الأصنام أم كيف تجعلون الأنبياء أصنامًا؟ فجاوبه بما تقدم فإنه إذا أقر أن الكفار يشهدون بالربوبية كلها لله، وأنهم ما أرادوا ممن قصدوا إلا الشفاعة

    So if it is said: These verses were sent down regarding the woshippers of idols; how do you make the righteous (Salihin) like the idols or how do you make the Prophets (Anbiya`) like idols?
    Then the answer is as already mentioned: If it is established that the disbelievers testified lordship (Rububiyya) completely for Allah and that they did not intend from those whom they turned to except their intercession...

    - end of quote -

    Ibn Baz (d.1420 AH) - one of the leading "Salafi" scholars and former Mufti of the so called "Saudi" state - said in his Majmu' Fatawa:

    أما كونه سبحانه رب الجميع وخالق الخلق ورازقهم ، وأنه كامل في ذاته وأسمائه وصفاته وأفعاله ، وأنه لا شبيه له ، ولا ند له ، ولا مثيل له ، فهذا لم يقع فيه الخلاف بين الرسل والأمم ، بل جميع المشركين من قريش وغيرهم مقرون به

    As for Him (i.e. Allah) - praise be to Him - being the lord (Rabb) of all and the Creator of the creation and its Sustainer and that He's perfect in his essence (Dhat), names (Asma`), attributes (Sifat) and actions (Af'al) and that he has no likeness, no rival and no equal: Then there occurred no difference regarding this between the Messengers and [their] nations, rather all pagans from Quraysh and from other than them were [already] accepting this.
    - end of quote -

    Salih bin Fawzan - another "Salafi" scholar and servant of the "Saudi" state - said regarding the statement "وهذا التوحيد هو معنى قوله: لا إله إلا الله" from Kashf al-Shubuhat:

    أي معنى لا إله إلا الله هو توحيد الألوهية لا توحيد الربوبية لأنه لو كان معناها توحيد الربوبية لما قال الرسول - صلى الله عليه وسلم - للمشركين قولوا لا إله إلا الله لأنهم يقولون إن الله هو الخالق الرازق المحيي المميت وإنه حينئذٍ يطلب منهم ما هو تحصيل حاصل ويقاتلهم على شيء يعترفون به ويقرون به؛ وهذا القول باطل

    So the meaning of "La ilaha illa Allah" ("There is no god but [one] God") is Tawhid al-Uluhiyya (monotheism of divinity) and not Tawhid al-Rububiyya (monotheism of lordship), because if the meaning would be Tawhid al-Rububiyya when the Messenger - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - said to the pagans "say: There is no god but [one] God." - while they were [already] saying that Allah is the Creator, the Sustainer, the Giver of Life and the Bringer of Death - and that he would ask them in this case for something that was already fullfilled and fight them for something that they were already accepting, then this statement is wrong.
    - end of quote -

    It should be noted here that all three statements contain rejecting clear-cut Ayat from the Qur`an al-karim and rejecting the historical records and rejecting the reality that we see until this day from the religion of the polytheists in our age.
    As for the claim that the Qur`an and the Messenger - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - called only to Tawhid of Uluhiyya and not that of Rububiyya, then this is nothing less than disbelief!
    The Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - called to pure monotheism (Tawhid), which contains both the belief in lordship and divinity of Allah ta'ala alone without any partners! Rububiyya and Uluhiyya are connected to eachother and cannot be seperated from each other. In the Qur`an al-karim the word "Rabb" and the word "Ilah" are used as synonoms.
    It should be enough for you to know that after our death we will be asked who our lord (Rabb) is to unterstand the amount of falseness of the aforementiond statements.


    Does the belief in a "supreme god" turn one into a "monotheist in lordship"?

    Know that their whole argumentation is based upon completely misunderstanding some Ayat where the polytheists are asked who created the heavens and the earth and they responded "Allah".

    Now we know that many polytheists believe in a god, who is greater in rank than the rest of their "gods". Odin was such a "supreme God" for the north european people. Zeus for the Greek people and those influenced by their religion and culture. But did their view of this "supreme God" match with our view regaring Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala? NO! Did this belief in a supreme God stop them from believing in other "gods"? NO! They believed in gods of rain, sun, thunder, wind, fertility and so on.
    The same was true for the Arab polytheists of Makka. Just because some of them believed that Allah is something like a "supreme God" their view of Allah ta'ala was still very much different from that of Muslims (as will be shown) and they still believed in all kinds of other "gods". And the Qur`an and the historical records are the greatest proof against anyone trying to argue otherwise.
    Lat, Manat and 'Uzza; does that ring a bell?

    Let's first see what the polytheists of Makka believed regarding Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
    Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 26-12-19, 03:28 PM.

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    • #3
      The pagans of Makka had no conviction regarding Allah and whether He created everything


      { رَبِّ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَآ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ }
      { لاَ إِلَـٰهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ يُحْيِـي وَيُمِيتُ رَبُّكُمْ وَرَبُّ آبَآئِكُمُ ٱلأَوَّلِينَ }
      { بَلْ هُمْ فِي شَكٍّ يَلْعَبُونَ }

      { The Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them; if you people believe. }
      { There is no worship except for Him - He gives life and causes death; your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers. }
      { Rather they are in doubt, playing. }

      [44:7-9]

      { أَمْ خُلِقُواْ مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ ٱلْخَالِقُونَ }
      { أَمْ خَلَقُواْ ٱلسَّمَاوَاتِ وَٱلأَرْضَ بَل لاَّ يُوقِنُونَ }

      { Have they not been created from some source, or are they themselves the creators? }
      { Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather they are not certain. }

      [52:35-36]



      The pagans of Makka were ready to curse Allah if someone cursed their false gods


      { وَلاَ تَسُبُّواْ ٱلَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ فَيَسُبُّواْ ٱللَّهَ عَدْواً بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ كَذَلِكَ زَيَّنَّا لِكُلِّ أُمَّةٍ عَمَلَهُمْ ثُمَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ مَّرْجِعُهُمْ فَيُنَبِّئُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ }

      { Do not abuse those whom they worship besides Allah lest they become disrespectful towards Allah’s Majesty, through injustice and ignorance; likewise, in the eyes of every nation, We have made their deeds appear good - then towards their Lord they have to return and He will inform them of what they used to do. }

      [6:108]



      The Makkan pagans assigned a bigger portion for their false gods than for Allah


      { وَجَعَلُواْ للَّهِ مِمَّا ذَرَأَ مِنَ ٱلْحَرْثِ وَٱلأَنْعَٰمِ نَصِيباً فَقَالُواْ هَـٰذَا للَّهِ بِزَعْمِهِمْ وَهَـٰذَا لِشُرَكَآئِنَا فَمَا كَانَ لِشُرَكَآئِهِمْ فَلاَ يَصِلُ إِلَىٰ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا كَانَ للَّهِ فَهُوَ يَصِلُ إِلَىٰ شُرَكَآئِهِمْ سَآءَ مَا يَحْكُمُونَ }

      { And among the crops and animals that Allah has created, they assigned (only) a portion to Him and therefore said “This is for Allah” - in their opinion - “and this is for our partners (false deities)”; so the portion for their partners does not reach Allah; and the portion for Allah reaches their partners; what an evil judgement they impose! }

      [6:136]



      The Makkan pagans ascribed to Allah what they did not accept for themselves (i.e. daughters)


      { وَجَعَلُواْ لَهُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ جُزْءًا إِنَّ ٱلإنسَانَ لَكَفُورٌ مُّبِينٌ }
      { أَمِ ٱتَّخَذَ مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ بَنَاتٍ وَأَصْفَاكُم بِٱلْبَنِينَ }
      { وَإِذَا بُشِّرَ أَحَدُهُم بِمَا ضَرَبَ لِلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مَثَلاً ظَلَّ وَجْهُهُ مُسْوَدّاً وَهُوَ كَظِيمٌ }

      { And from His bondmen, they appointed a portion for Him; man is indeed an open ingrate. }
      { Has He chosen daughters for Himself from His creation, and selected only sons for you? }
      { And if one of them is given the glad tidings of what he professes regarding the Most Gracious, his face blackens and he is mournful! }

      [43:15-17]



      The Makkan pagans disbelieved in the resurrection, because they doubted the power of Allah


      { أَوَلَمْ يَرَ ٱلإِنسَانُ أَنَّا خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ فَإِذَا هُوَ خَصِيمٌ مُّبِينٌ }
      { وَضَرَبَ لَنَا مَثَلاً وَنَسِيَ خَلْقَهُ قَالَ مَن يُحيِي ٱلْعِظَامَ وَهِيَ رَمِيمٌ }
      { قُلْ يُحْيِيهَا ٱلَّذِيۤ أَنشَأَهَآ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ خَلْقٍ عَلِيمٌ }

      { And did not man see that We have created him from a drop of semen? Yet he is an open quarreller! }
      { And he invents an example for Us, while forgetting his own creation, saying, “Who is such that can revive the bones when they have completely rotted away?” }
      { Proclaim (O dear Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him), “They will be revived by the One Who created them the first time; and He is the All Knowing of every creation.” }

      [36:77-79]


      Imam al-Tabari said in his Tafsir regarding the above Ayat:

      فـيقول: مَنْ يحيـي هذه العظام وهي رميـم؟ إنكاراً منه لقُدرة الله علـى إحيائها

      So [man] said: “Who is such that can revive the bones when they have completely rotted away?”; thereby [this type of man is] rejecting the ability / power of Allah to revive them.
      - end of quote -

      And Allah ta'ala made clear to the disbelievers and pagans that it is easy for Him to raise them again:

      { زَعَمَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوۤاْ أَن لَّن يُبْعَثُواْ قُلْ بَلَىٰ وَرَبِّي لَتُبْعَثُنَّ ثُمَّ لَتُنَبَّؤُنَّ بِمَا عَمِلْتُمْ وَذَلِكَ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ يَسِيرٌ }

      { The disbelievers alleged that they will surely not be raised again; proclaim (O dear Prophet Mohammed – peace and blessings be upon him), “Surely yes, why not? By oath of my Lord, you will surely be raised again and you will then be informed of your misdeeds; and this is easy for Allah.” }

      [64:7]
      Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 26-12-19, 03:28 PM.

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      • #4
        The Makkan pagans doubted the knowledge of Allah and that He's All-hearing


        { وَمَا كُنتُمْ تَسْتَتِرُونَ أَن يَشْهَدَ عَلَيْكُمْ سَمْعُكُمْ وَلاَ أَبْصَارُكُمْ وَلاَ جُلُودُكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن ظَنَنتُمْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ لاَ يَعْلَمُ كَثِيراً مِّمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ }
        { وَذَلِكُمْ ظَنُّكُمُ ٱلَّذِي ظَنَنتُم بِرَبِّكُمْ أَرْدَاكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُمْ مِّنَ ٱلُخَاسِرِينَ }

        { And where could you hide from Him, so that your ears and your eyes and your skins may not testify against you? But you had assumed that Allah does not know most of your deeds! }
        { And this is the assumption you had regarding your Lord, which has ruined you, so you are now among those who have been defeated. }

        [41:22-23]

        From a Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari we learn about the reason for the revelation of these Ayat:

        اجْتَمَعَ عِنْدَ الْبَيْتِ ثَقَفِيَّانِ وَقُرَشِيٌّ، أَوْ قُرَشِيَّانِ وَثَقَفِيٌّ، كَثِيرَةٌ شَحْمُ بُطُونِهِمْ قَلِيلَةٌ فِقْهُ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَقَالَ أَحَدُهُمْ أَتَرَوْنَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يَسْمَعُ مَا نَقُولُ قَالَ الآخَرُ يَسْمَعُ إِنْ جَهَرْنَا وَلاَ يَسْمَعُ إِنْ أَخْفَيْنَا وَقَالَ الآخَرُ إِنْ كَانَ يَسْمَعُ إِذَا جَهَرْنَا فَإِنَّهُ يَسْمَعُ إِذَا أَخْفَيْنَا‏.‏ فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى ‏{‏وَمَا كُنْتُمْ تَسْتَتِرُونَ أَنْ يَشْهَدَ عَلَيْكُمْ سَمْعُكُمْ وَلاَ أَبْصَارُكُمْ وَلاَ جُلُودُكُمْ‏}‏ الآيَةَ

        Two person of Bani Thaqif and one from Quarish (or two persons from Quraish and one from Bani Thaqif) who had fat bellies but little wisdom, met near the Ka`ba. One of them said, "Did you see that Allah hears what we say? " The other said, "He hears us if we speak aloud, but He does not hear if we speak in stealthy quietness (softly)." The third fellow said, "If He hears when we speak aloud, then He surely hears us if we speak in stealthy quietness (softly)." So Allah revealed the Verse:-- 'And you have not been screening against yourselves, lest your ears, and your eyes and your skins should testify against you..." (41.22)
        - end of quote -

        Imam Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597 AH) mentioned the above Hadith in the Tafsir of the above Ayat until he reached the statement { But you had assumed that Allah does not know most of your deeds! } and then he said:

        قال ابن عباس: كان الكفار يقولون: إن الله لا يَعلم ما في أنفُسنا، ولكنه يعلم ما يَظهر، { وذلكم ظنُّكم } أي: أن الله لا يَعلم ما تعملون، { أرداكم } أهلككم

        Ibn 'Abbas said: The disbelievers used to say: Allah does not know what is our hearts, rather he [only] knows what becomes apparent [from our deeds],
        { And this is the assumption you had } meaning [your assumption] that Allah does not know your deeds { which has ruined you } [meaning] destroyed you.

        - end of quote -



        The Makkan pagans believed that Allah needs help to preserve and control the universe


        { وَقُلِ ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ ٱلَّذِي لَمْ يَتَّخِذْ وَلَداً وَلَم يَكُنْ لَّهُ شَرِيكٌ فِي ٱلْمُلْكِ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهُ وَلِيٌّ مِّنَ ٱلذُّلِّ وَكَبِّرْهُ تَكْبِيراً }

        { And say, "All praise is to Allah, Who has not chosen a son for Himself, and none is His partner in kingship, and none is His supporter due to weakness, and say ‘Allah is Great’ to proclaim His greatness." }

        [17:111]

        Imam al-Tabari said in the Tafsir of the above Aya:

        ولَـمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ شَرِيكٌ فِـي الـمُلْكِ } فـيكون عاجزا ذا حاجة إلـى معونة غيره ضعيفـاً، ولا يكون إلهاً من يكون مـحتاجاً إلـى معين علـى ما حاول، ولـم يكن منفرداً بالمُلك والسلطان { وَلـمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ وَلِـيّ مِنَ الذُلّ } يقول: ولـم يكن له حلـيف حالفه من الذلّ الذي به، لأن من كان ذا حاجة إلـى نصرة غيره، فذلـيـل مهين، ولا يكون من كان ذلـيلاً مهيناً يحتاج إلـى ناصر إلها يطاع

        { And none is His partner in kingship }, otherwise He would be helpless weak and in need of support of others, and the one who is in need of support in order to accomplish something and not alone in his kingship (Mulk) and dominion (Sultan) is NOT a god (Ilah); { and none is His supporter due to weakness } [with this statement] He's saying: He has no ally that He has allied due to weakness that is in Him (as the pagans assume), because the one who is need of assistance from others is humiliated and weak and the one who's humiliated and weak and in need of assistance is NOT a god (Ilah), who is obeyed.
        - end of quote -
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        • #5
          Note how Imam al-Tabari connects the meaning of "Ilah" with that of the attributes of lordship (i.e. not being in need of others and being alone in kingship and dominion), which makes clear that Uluhiyya and Rububiyya are connected to eachother and that the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - called to ONE Tawhid, which includes the meaning of Rububiyya and Uluhiyya at the same time.
          This means that the one dares to claims that the Qur`an al-karim and the Messenger of Allah - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - did not call to the Rububiyya of Allah ta'ala is rejecting hundreds of Ayat and authentic Ahadith!
          Know - may Allah guide you and have mercy upon you - that when Allah ta'ala mentions for example that He's not in need of a supporter or when he says that He has no son or daughter and that He has no partner in his kingship and dominion, then this is because of the disbelievers and polytheists who believe the opposite.

          To further prove the above statement let's see what Imam al-Tabari says regarding the Aya 6:22:

          ثم نَقُولُ للَّذِينَ أشْرَكُوا أيْنَ شُرَكاؤُكُم } يقول: ثم نقول إذا حشرنا هؤلاء المفترين على الله الكذب بادّعائهم له في سلطانه شريكاً والمكذّبين بآياته ورسله، فجمعنا جميعهم يوم القيامة: { أيْنَ شُرَكاؤُكُمُ الَّذِينَ كُنْتُمْ تَزْعُمُونَ } أنهم لكم آلهة من دون الله، افتراء وكذباً، وتدعونهم من دونه أرباباً، فأتوا بهم إن كنتم صادقين

          { then [We] say to the polytheists, “Where are those partners (your false deities) } [with this] He's saying: Then after gathering these people, who lie about Allah with their claim that he has partners in his dominion (Sultan) [over the creation] and who disbelieve in His signs and messengers, so that all of them are gathered on the day of judgement, We'll say to them: { “Where are those partners (your false deities) whom you professed?” } , who in your claim and lie are gods for you besides Allah and whom you call as lords (Arbab) besides Him, so show them [to us] if you're truthful!
          - end of quote -

          Note how the Imam is clearly saying that the polytheists believed that Allah has partners in his dominion and they claimed that there are gods (Aliha) besides Allah and they called them as lords (!!) besides Allah ta'ala! Here we see again connecting the meaning of Rububiyya and Uluhiyya and this is the classical understanding and supported by the clear cut Ayat and Ahadith.


          { قُلْ أَغَيْرَ ٱللَّهِ أَتَّخِذُ وَلِيّاً فَاطِرِ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضِ وَهُوَ يُطْعِمُ وَلاَ يُطْعَمُ قُلْ إِنِّيۤ أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أَكُونَ أَوَّلَ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَلاَ تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكَينَ }

          { Say, “Shall I choose as a supporter someone other than Allah, Who is the Originator of the heavens and the earth and Who feeds and does not need to eat?” Say, “I have been ordered to be the first to submit myself (to Him), and O people, do not be of the polytheists.” }

          [6:14]

          Imam al-Tabari says in the Tafsir of the above Aya:

          حدثني محمد بن الحسين، قال: ثنا أحمد بن المفضل، قال: ثنا أسباط، عن السديّ: { قُلْ أغَيْرُ اللَّهِ أتَّخِذُ وَلِيًّا } قال: أما الوليّ: فالذي يتولونه ويقرون له بالربوبية

          Muhammad bin al-Husayn reported to me and said: Ahmad bin al-Mufadhdhal narrated and said: Asbat narrated from al-Suddi:
          [Regarding the Ayah] { Say, “Shall I choose as a supporter / protector someone other than Allah } he said: As for [the meaning of] al-Wali (protector / supporter): He's the one whom they take [as such] and affirm lordship (Rububiyya) (!!!) for him.

          - end of quote -

          Note how clear the issue is for Imam al-Tabari and the Salaf al-salih in general and compare this with the words of the innovators of today.
          This means that when Allah ta'ala mentions that those pagans took others than Allah as partners or as guardians or as supporters, then this all contains the meaning of Rububiyya, which means that these polytheists believed that there are many beings that have qualities of lordship and therefore there are many beings worthy of worship.

          After it has been established that the pagans had no real conviction regarding Allah ta'ala and regarding Him having all attributes and qualities of Lordship (like Him having power over everything, being perfect in knowledge, not needing any supporters or help and being completely free of need) and after we've seen that their general mindset was that one god alone could not preserve, control and sustain this big world, let us now see what these pagans believed regarding those whom they regarded as gods besides Allah.
          Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 01-01-20, 11:18 AM.

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          • #6
            The Makkan pagans believed in the existance of gods besides Allah and explicitly stated this with their tongues


            { وَجَعَلُواْ للَّهِ مِمَّا ذَرَأَ مِنَ ٱلْحَرْثِ وَٱلأَنْعَٰمِ نَصِيباً فَقَالُواْ هَـٰذَا للَّهِ بِزَعْمِهِمْ وَهَـٰذَا لِشُرَكَآئِنَا فَمَا كَانَ لِشُرَكَآئِهِمْ فَلاَ يَصِلُ إِلَىٰ ٱللَّهِ وَمَا كَانَ للَّهِ فَهُوَ يَصِلُ إِلَىٰ شُرَكَآئِهِمْ سَآءَ مَا يَحْكُمُونَ }

            { And among the crops and animals that Allah has created, they assigned (only) a portion to Him and therefore said “This is for Allah” - in their opinion - “and this is for our partners (false deities)”; so the portion for their partners does not reach Allah; and the portion for Allah reaches their partners; what an evil judgement they impose! }

            [6:136]


            { وَإِذَا رَأَوْكَ إِن يَتَّخِذُونَكَ إِلاَّ هُزُواً أَهَـٰذَا ٱلَّذِي بَعَثَ ٱللَّهُ رَسُولاً }
            { إِن كَادَ لَيُضِلُّنَا عَنْ آلِهَتِنَا لَوْلاَ أَن صَبْرَنَا عَلَيْهَا وَسَوْفَ يَعْلَمُونَ حِينَ يَرَوْنَ ٱلْعَذَابَ مَنْ أَضَلُّ سَبِيلاً }

            { And when they see you (O dear Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him) they take you but as a mockery, “Is this the one whom Allah sent as a (Noble) Messenger?” }
            { “Possibly he would have misled us away from our Gods had we not been firm upon them”; soon they will know, when they see the punishment, who was astray from the path. }

            [25:41-42]



            The Makkan pagans ascribed daughters to Allah (and thereby them having a share in His lordship and divinity)


            { وَجَعَلُواْ للَّهِ شُرَكَآءَ ٱلْجِنَّ وَخَلَقَهُمْ وَخَرَقُواْ لَهُ بَنِينَ وَبَنَٰتٍ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ سُبْحَٰنَهُ وَتَعَٰلَىٰ عَمَّا يَصِفُونَ }

            { And out of sheer ignorance they have ascribed jinns as partners of Allah, whereas it is He Who created them, and they have invented sons and daughters for Him! Purity and Supremacy is to Him, from all what they ascribe. }

            [6:100]

            Note: Ascribing a son to Allah ta'als is usually done by the Ahl al-Kitab (which is also a type of polytheism), while ascribing daughters to Allah and regarding the Jinn as partners of Allah is done by pagans (like those of Makka and other than them).

            { أَفَأَصْفَاكُمْ رَبُّكُم بِٱلْبَنِينَ وَٱتَّخَذَ مِنَ ٱلْمَلاۤئِكَةِ إِنَاثاً إِنَّكُمْ لَتَقُولُونَ قَوْلاً عَظِيماً }

            { Has your Lord chosen sons for you, and created daughters for Himself from among the angels? Indeed you utter a profound word! }

            [17:40]

            { وَقَالُواْ ٱتَّخَذَ ٱللَّهُ وَلَداً سُبْحَـٰنَهُ بَل لَّهُ مَا فِي ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضِ كُلٌّ لَّهُ قَانِتُونَ }

            { And they said, "Allah has taken an offspring for Himself" - Purity is to Him! In fact, all that is in the heavens and the earth, is His dominion; all are submissive to Him. }

            [2:116]

            { وَجَعَلُواْ لَهُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ جُزْءًا إِنَّ ٱلإنسَانَ لَكَفُورٌ مُّبِينٌ }
            { أَمِ ٱتَّخَذَ مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ بَنَاتٍ وَأَصْفَاكُم بِٱلْبَنِينَ }
            { وَإِذَا بُشِّرَ أَحَدُهُم بِمَا ضَرَبَ لِلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مَثَلاً ظَلَّ وَجْهُهُ مُسْوَدّاً وَهُوَ كَظِيمٌ }
            { أَوَمَن يُنَشَّأُ فِي ٱلْحِلْيَةِ وَهُوَ فِي ٱلْخِصَامِ غَيْرُ مُبِينٍ }
            { وَجَعَلُواْ ٱلْمَلاَئِكَةَ ٱلَّذِينَ هُمْ عِبَادُ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ إِنَاثاً أَشَهِدُواْ خَلْقَهُمْ سَتُكْتَبُ شَهَادَتُهُمْ وَيُسْأَلُونَ }

            { And from His bondmen, they appointed a portion for Him; man is indeed an open ingrate. }
            { Has He chosen daughters for Himself from His creation, and selected only sons for you? }
            { And if one of them is given the glad tidings of what he professes regarding the Most Gracious, his face blackens and he is mournful! }
            { And (do they chose for Him) one who is brought up among ornaments, and cannot express herself clearly in debate? }
            { And they appoint the angels, who are the bondmen of the Most Gracious, as females; were they present at the time of the angels’ creation? Their declaration will be now recorded and they will be questioned. }

            [43:15-19]
            Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 24-12-19, 08:33 AM.

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            • #7
              The Makkan pagans believed in a type of intercession which happens without the permission of Allah


              { ٱللَّهُ لاَ إِلَـٰهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ ٱلْحَيُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ لاَ تَأْخُذُهُ سِنَةٌ وَلاَ نَوْمٌ لَّهُ مَا فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِي ٱلأَرْضِ مَن ذَا ٱلَّذِي يَشْفَعُ عِنْدَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ يَعْلَمُ مَا بَيْنَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَمَا خَلْفَهُمْ وَلاَ يُحِيطُونَ بِشَيْءٍ مِّنْ عِلْمِهِ إِلاَّ بِمَا شَآءَ وَسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضَ وَلاَ يَؤُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وَهُوَ ٱلْعَلِيُّ ٱلْعَظِيمُ }

              { Allah - there is no God except Him; He is Alive (eternally, on His own) and the Upholder (keeps others established); He never feels drowsy nor does He sleep; to Him only belongs all whatever is in the heavens and all whatever is in the earth; who is he that can intercede* with Him except by His command? He knows what is in front of them and what is behind them; and they do not achieve anything of His knowledge except what He wills; His Throne (of Sovereignty) encompasses the heavens and the earth; and it is not difficult for Him to guard them; and He is the Supreme, the Greatest. }

              [2:255]

              { إِنَّ رَبَّكُمُ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ ٱسْتَوَىٰ عَلَى ٱلْعَرْشِ يُدَبِّرُ ٱلأَمْرَ مَا مِن شَفِيعٍ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِ إِذْنِهِ ذٰلِكُمُ ٱللَّهُ رَبُّكُمْ فَٱعْبُدُوهُ أَفَلاَ تَذَكَّرُونَ }

              { Indeed your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then (befitting His Majesty) established Himself upon the Throne (of control) - He plans all matters; there is no intercessor except after His permission;* such is Allah, your Lord - therefore worship Him; so do you not ponder? }

              [10:3]

              { يَوْمَئِذٍ لاَّ تَنفَعُ ٱلشَّفَاعَةُ إِلاَّ مَنْ أَذِنَ لَهُ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنُ وَرَضِيَ لَهُ قَوْلاً }

              { On that day no one’s intercession shall benefit except his to whom the Most Gracious has given permission and whose word He has liked. }

              [20:109]

              { وَلاَ تَنفَعُ ٱلشَّفَاعَةُ عِندَهُ إِلاَّ لِمَنْ أَذِنَ لَهُ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا فُزِّعَ عَن قُلُوبِهِمْ قَالُواْ مَاذَا قَالَ رَبُّكُمْ قَالُواْ ٱلْحَقَّ وَهُوَ ٱلْعَلِيُّ ٱلْكَبِيرُ }

              { And intercession does not benefit before Him, except for one whom He permits; to the extent that when the fear is removed from their hearts by giving permission, they say to each other, “How splendidly has your Lord spoken!” They say, “All that He has proclaimed is the Truth; and He is the Supreme, the Great.” }


              [34:23]

              Note how in all those Ayat the issue of intercession is linked to the permission of Allah. Why? Because the pagans believed in an intercession where Allah's permission is not needed or where Allah ta'ala is obliged to accept the intercession of the false gods.
              As for the intercession where there is the permission of Allah, then this is regarded as correct and this is the type of intercession that we as Muslims believe in.

              The intercession that is correct is with the permission of Allah and for the one whom Allah accepts intercession and nothing can happen without his knowledge or without his permission / command or in spite of his command as the pagans assume.

              { وَأَنذِرْهُمْ يَوْمَ ٱلأَزِفَةِ إِذِ ٱلْقُلُوبُ لَدَى ٱلْحَنَاجِرِ كَاظِمِينَ مَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ مِنْ حَمِيمٍ وَلاَ شَفِيعٍ يُطَاعُ }

              { And warn them of the day of impending calamity, when hearts will rise up to the throats filled with grief; and the disbelievers will have neither any friend nor any intercessor who will be obeyed. }

              [40:18]

              Imam al-Razi said in the Tafsir of the above Aya:

              أجاب أصحابنا عن السؤال الأول فقالوا إن القوم كانوا يقولون في الأصنام إنها شفعاؤنا عند الله وكانوا يقولون إنها تشفع لنا عند الله من غير حاجة فيه إلى إذن الله، ولهذا السبب رد الله تعالى عليهم ذلك بقوله { مَن ذَا ٱلَّذِى يَشْفَعُ عِندَهُ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِهِ } [البقرة: 255] فهذا يدل على أن القوم اعتقدوا أنه يجب على الله إجابة الأصنام في تلك الشفاعة، وهذا نوع طاعة، فالله تعالى نفى تلك الطاعة بقوله { مَا لِلظَّـٰلِمِينَ مِنْ حَمِيمٍ وَلاَ شَفِيعٍ يُطَاعُ

              Our Companions responded to the first question, so they said: These people were saying regarding the idols "they're our intercessors in front of Allah" and they were saying "they intercede for us in front of Allah without there being a need for the permission of Allah". Because of this Allah ta'ala responded to them with his saying { who is he that can intercede with Him except by His command? } [2:255]. This indicates that these people believed that it's obligatory upon Allah to respond to the idols regarding the intercession, and this is a kind of obedience. So Allah rejected this obedience with his saying: { and the disbelievers will have neither any friend nor any intercessor who will be obeyed. }
              - end of quote -
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              • #8
                The Makkan pagans believed that their "gods" could bring benefit and harm independently from Allah or alongside Allah


                { وَٱتَّخَذُواْ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ آلِهَةً لِّيَكُونُواْ لَهُمْ عِزّاً }

                { And they have chosen Gods besides Allah, so that they may provide them strength! }

                [19:81]

                { وَٱتَّخَذُواْ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ آلِهَةً لَّعَلَّهُمْ يُنصَرُونَ }

                { And they have appointed Gods other than Allah, that perhaps they may be helped! }

                [36:74]

                { أَلَيْسَ ٱللَّهُ بِكَافٍ عَبْدَهُ وَيُخَوِّفُونَكَ بِٱلَّذِينَ مِن دُونِهِ وَمَن يُضْـلِلِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ مِنْ هَـادٍ }

                { Is not Allah Sufficient for His slave? And they threaten you with others beside Him! And whomever Allah sends astray – there is no guide for him. }

                [39:36]

                { أَمَّنْ هَـٰذَا ٱلَّذِي هُوَ جُندٌ لَّكُمْ يَنصُرُكُمْ مِّن دُونِ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ إِنِ ٱلْكَافِرُونَ إِلاَّ فِي غُرُورٍ }

                { Or which army do you have that will help you against the Most Gracious? The disbelievers are in nothing except an illusion. }

                [67:20]

                Imam al-Tabari said in his Tafsir of the above Aya:

                يقول تعالى ذكره: للمشركين به من قريش: من هذا الذي هو جند لكم أيها الكافرون به، ينصركم من دون الرحمن إن أراد بكم سوءاً، فيدفع عنكم ما أراد بكم من ذلك { إن الكافِرونَ إلاَّ فِي غُرُور } يقول تعالى ذكره: ما الكافرون بالله إلا في غرور من ظنهم أن آلهتهم تقرّبهم إلى الله زلفى، وأنها تنفع أو تضرّ

                [Allah] - Exalted be his remembrance - says to those who ascribe partners to him from the Quraysh: Who is there who can be a force for you - o you who disbelieve in Him -, who will support you apart fom the All-Merciful if He desires evil for you, so that it protects you from that which has been intended for you?
                { The disbelievers are in nothing except an illusion. } [with this Allah] - Exalted be his remembrance - is saying: Those who disbelieve in Allah are in nothing but illusion in their assumption that their [false] gods may bring them near to Allah closely and that they may bring benefit and harm.

                - end of quote -


                There are of cource a lot of more Ayat which can be quoted and one could also quote a lot more scholars, but the above should be enough for the one who believes in Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
                and his beloved Messenger, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam.

                Conclusion:

                The pagans did not accept the lordship of Allah ta'ala completely and without any partners. Rather they had doubts regarding Allah ta'ala, his power, his knowledge, his perfection and his ability to preserve and control the whole universe. They believed that one god alone could not preserve and control this big and diverse world alone and therefore claimed that many gods existed. They ascribed qualities of lordship (like being in possession of the absolute intercession, bringing harm and benefit and other than this) to those whom they regarded as gods. Based upon this belief they regarded many beings / things of being worthy of worship and therefore rejected the fact that only Allah ta'ala is worthy of worship.
                This means the belief in lordship and divinity is connected to eachother and cannot be seperated. Trying to seperate lordship from divinity and to act as if the Islamic call to monotheism only called the people to the belief in the divinity of Allah ta’ala alone but not His lordship (or the other way around) is in direct opposition to the Qur`an al-karim and the Islamic teachings.



                And our last call is that all praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
                And may the peace and blessings be upon our Master Muhammad - the seal of the Prophets and Messengers - and upon all of his familiy and companions.
                Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 26-12-19, 03:29 PM.

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                • #9
                  Abu 'Abdullaah you used to have this meme of a Sufi in a green turban saying wahabi I just looked I couldn't find it on google. Seems kind of appropriate here do you still have it?
                  Each person has inside a basic decency and goodness. If he listens to it and acts on it, he is giving a great deal of what it is the world needs most. It is not complicated but it takes courage. It takes courage for a person to listen to his own goodness and act on it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eesa the kiwi View Post
                    Abu 'Abdullaah you used to have this meme of a Sufi in a green turban saying wahabi I just looked I couldn't find it on google. Seems kind of appropriate here do you still have it?
                    The words of Allah - subhanahu wa ta‘ala - are mentioned and all this guy is concerned about is the word "Wahhabi".
                    FYI: This word simply means that one is a follower of [some or all of] the ideas of Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH). This word has also been used major scholars who used to live during that time. If you are so allergic to it, I can use "Najdi" instead, okay?
                    But please for once don’t try to derail this thread and if you post something, then it should be regarding the issue that has been posted. Is that asking too much?

                    And: Please get out of your bubble and don‘t start with this "Salafi vs Sufi"-dichotomy. It seems that in your world one can either be a great "Salafi" or a dancing Sufi with weird views.
                    Who told you that I‘m a Sufi? I‘m not affiliated to any Sufi group and even if I were I would choose one that abides by the divine law and follows classical scholarship and not some weird fake Sufi cult. 

                    And now let‘s hope we won‘t read any further childish comments.
                    Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 24-12-19, 11:13 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post

                      The words of Allah - subhanahu wa ta‘ala - are mentioned and all this guy is concerned about is the word "Wahhabi".
                      FYI: This word simply means that one is a follower of [some or all of] the ideas of Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1206 AH). This word has also been used major scholars who used to live during that time. If you are so allergic to it, I can use "Najdi" instead, okay?
                      But please for once don’t try to derail this thread and if you post something, then it should be regarding the issue that has been posted. Is that asking too much?

                      And: Please get out of your bubble and don‘t start with this "Salafi vs Sufi"-dichotomy. It seems that in your world one can either be a great "Salafi" or a dancing Sufi with weird views.
                      Who told you that I‘m a Sufi?
                      You do realize I mentioned abu Abdullah so the childish comments are only just beginning
                      Each person has inside a basic decency and goodness. If he listens to it and acts on it, he is giving a great deal of what it is the world needs most. It is not complicated but it takes courage. It takes courage for a person to listen to his own goodness and act on it.

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                      • #12
                        This is a bit confusing.
                        What was it that convinced them Allah created them for the first time in this world?
                        And what was it that made them reject Allah will create them again in akhirat?
                        In another word, how can they believed in their first creation but they rejected their second creation?



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LiAnG View Post
                          This is a bit confusing.
                          What was it that convinced them Allah created them for the first time in this world?
                          And what was it that made them reject Allah will create them again in akhirat?
                          In another word, how can they believed in their first creation but they rejected their second creation?

                          The reason is as already mentioned above: The pagans did have no real conviction in Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala in the first place and were in doubt regarding him.


                          Allah ta'ala says:

                          { هُوَ ٱلَّذِي خَلَقَكُمْ مِّن طِينٍ ثُمَّ قَضَىۤ أَجَلاً وَأَجَلٌ مُّسَمًّى عِندَهُ ثُمَّ أَنتُمْ تَمْتَرُونَ }

                          { It is He Who has created you from clay, and then decreed a term for you; and it is a fixed promise before Him, yet you still doubt! }

                          [6:2]

                          Imam al-Tabari (d. 310 AH) said in the Tafsir of the above Aya:

                          ثُمَّ أنْتُمْ تَمْتُرُونَ }. يقول تعالى ذكره: ثم أنتم تشكون في قدرة من قدر على خلق السموات والأرض، وإظلام الليل وإنارة النهار، وخلقكم من طين حتى صيركم بالهيئة التي أنتم بها على إنشائه إياكم من بعد مماتكم وفنائكم، وإيجاده إياكم بعد عدمكم

                          { yet you still doubt! } [with this statement Allah] - Exalted be his remembrance - says: Then you are still doubting the power / ability of the One, who was able to create the heavens and the earth, and to bring forth night and day, and to create you from clay upon the form that you're upon and to recreate you after your death and annihilation and your non-existance.
                          - end of quote -


                          These Ayat were already quoted:

                          { أَمْ خُلِقُواْ مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ ٱلْخَالِقُونَ }
                          { أَمْ خَلَقُواْ ٱلسَّمَاوَاتِ وَٱلأَرْضَ بَل لاَّ يُوقِنُونَ }

                          { Have they not been created from some source, or are they themselves the creators? }
                          { Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather they are not certain. }

                          [52:35-36]

                          Imam al-Tabarani (d. 360 AH) said:

                          بَل لاَّ يُوقِنُونَ }؛ بالحقِّ وهو توحيدُ اللهِ وقدرتهُ على البعثِ

                          { Rather they are not certain. } [meaning] in the truth, and that is the oneness (Tawhid) of Allah and his power / ability (Qudra) to resurrect [the dead].
                          - end of quote -

                          Imam Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597 AH) said:

                          قوله تعالى: { بَلْ لا يوقِنون } بالحق، وهو توحيدُ الله وقدرته على البعث

                          His statement: { Rather they are not certain. } [meaning] in the truth, and that is the oneness (Tawhid) of Allah and his power / ability (Qudra) to resurrect [the dead].
                          - end of quote -

                          Imam al-Nasafi (d. 710 AH) said:

                          أَمْ خَلَقُواْ ٱلسَّمَـٰوٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضِ } فلا يعبدون خالقهما { بَل لاَّ يُوقِنُونَ } أي لا يتدبرون في الآيات فيعلموا خالقهم وخالق السماوات والأرض

                          { Or did they create the heavens and the earth? }, so that they do not worship the one who created them, { rather they are not certain } meaning: they do not ponder upon the signs so that they know their creator and the creator of the heavens and the earth.
                          - end of quote -


                          Imam al-Khazin (d. 725 AH) said:

                          بل لا يوقنون } أي بالحق وهو توحيد الله تعالى وقدرته على البعث وأن الله تعالى هو خالقهم وخالق السموات والأرض فليؤمنوا به وليوقنوا أنه ربهم وخالقهم

                          { rather they are not certain } meaning: In the truth and that is the oneness (Tawhid) of Allah ta'ala and his power to resurrect and that Allah ta'ala is their Creator and the Creator of the heavens and the earth, so they should believe in Him and have conviction that He's their Lord and their Creator.
                          - end of quote -

                          Imam al-Naysaburi (d. 728 AH) said:

                          قال { بل لا يوقنون } وذلك أنه حكى عنهم{ ولئن سألتهم من خلق السموات والأرض ليقولن الله } [لقمان: 25] فتبين أنهم في هذا الاعتراف شاكون إذ لو عرفوه حق معرفته لم يثبتوا له نداً ولم يحسدوا من اختاره للرسالة كما وبخهم عليه بقوله { أم عندهم خزائن ربك } حتى يختاروا للنبوة من أرادوه

                          [Allah ta'ala] says { rather they are not certain. } and He has narrated about them { and if you ask them, “Who created the heavens and the earth?” - they will surely answer, “Allah” } [31:25], so it has become clear that they're in doubt regarding what they admitted, because if they had known Him in reality they would have not attested a rival to Him and would have not envied the one whom He has chosen for messengership as He has scolded them for this with His statement { or do they have the treasures of your Lord? } [52:37] so that they can choose for prophethood whom they want.
                          - end of quote -

                          Imam Abu Hayyan (d. 754 AH) said:

                          بل لا يوقنون }: أي إذا سئلوا: من خلقكم وخلق السموات والأرض؟ قالوا: الله، وهم شاكون فيما يقولون لا يوقنون

                          { rather they are not certain. } meaning: If they would be asked: Who created them and who created the heavens and earth? They would say: "Allah"; while they are in doubt regarding what they said and not certain regarding it.
                          - end of quote -

                          Imam Abul Su'ud (d. 951 AH) said:

                          أَمْ خَلَقُواْ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَاتِ وَٱلأَرْضَ بَل لاَّ يُوقِنُونَ } أي إذا سئلوا منْ خلقكم وخلق السمواتِ والأرضَ قالوا الله وهم غيرُ موقنينَ بما قالُوا وإلا لما أعرضُوا عن عبادتِه

                          {
                          Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather they are not certain. } meaning: If they would be asked who created them and the heavens and the earth, they would respond "Allah", but they were not certain regarding what they said otherwise they would have not turned away from His worship.
                          - end of quote -
                          Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 26-12-19, 03:47 PM.

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                          • #14
                            { وَقَالُواْ مَا هِيَ إِلاَّ حَيَاتُنَا ٱلدُّنْيَا نَمُوتُ وَنَحْيَا وَمَا يُهْلِكُنَآ إِلاَّ ٱلدَّهْرُ وَمَا لَهُمْ بِذَلِكَ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِنْ هُمْ إِلاَّ يَظُنُّونَ }

                            { And they said, “There is nothing except our life of this world - we die and we live - and nothing destroys us except the passage of time”; and they do not have any knowledge of it; they only make guesses. }

                            [45:24]

                            Imam al-Tabari said in the Tafsir of the above Aya after mentioning that this is the statement of the Arab pagans:

                            وقوله: { وَما يُهْلِكُنا إلاَّ الدَّهْرُ } يقول تعالى ذكره مخبراً عن هؤلاء المشركين أنهم قالوا: وما يهلكنا فيفنينا إلا مرّ الليالي والأيام وطول العمر، إنكاراً منهم أن يكون لهم ربّ يفنيهم ويهلكهم

                            [With] His [mentioning of their] statement { and nothing destroys us except the passage of time } [Allah] - Exalted be his remembrance - is informing us about these polytheists that they said: "Nothing destroys us so that we get annihilated except the passage of the nights and the days and the length of [our] lives"; thereby they rejected that they have a Lord (Rabb) who annihilates and destroys them.
                            - end of quote -

                            The above makes even clearer that they had no conviction regarding Allah ta'ala whatsoever.
                            After all these Ayat and explanations of the classical scholars, is it possible for a Muslim to claim that these pagans confirmed the lordship of Allah ta'ala completely and without any partners? Is it possible to claim that the Allah ta'ala and His beloved Messenger - sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam - only called the pagans to accept the divinity of Allah without his lordship?

                            See what Imam al-Tabari said in the Tafsir of Surat al-Fatiha:

                            وتأويـل قوله: { إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ }: لك اللهم نـخشع، ونذلّ، ونستكين، إقراراً لك يا ربنا بـالربوبـية لا لغيرك

                            The explanation of the statement { You alone we worship } is: For you, o Allah, we humble ourselves, surrender and submit, confirming your lordship (Rububiyya), o our Lord, and not for other than You.
                            - end of quote -

                            As you see divinity and lordship cannot be seperated from eachother in the understanding of classical scholars like Imam al-Tabari.

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                            • #15
                              @Abu Sulayman

                              No conviction could very well explain why they rejected resurrection, which is the second-half of my confusion.

                              For argument sake, if with conviction, do you know the explanation given why they rejected resurrection? Our experience tells us that creating things the first time is more difficult than doing it the second time.

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