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    Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
    "Returning to our story, exactly one decade after the opening of the Nizamiyya, another significant incident occurred, which is mentioned in Hanbali sources as the "Fitna of al-Qushayri". While Abu Ishaq al-Shirazi was clearly an Ash'ari, it appears that certain factors prevented him from preaching the doctrines of his school as publically as Nizam al-Mulk would have wanted. Hence, the decision was made to send an even bolder theologian: one that would not shy away from the heat that would inevitably be generated by teaching anti-Hanbali doctrines in a Hanbali-dominated city. The person chosen for this endeavour was Abd al-Karim al-Qushayri (d. 514). This was the first attempt to publicly and boldly advertise Ash'ari doctrines in Baghdad, and it was proved to be a disaster.

    Al-Qushayri was sent from Nishapur to Bagdhad sometime in 469AH, whence he immediately began to preach Ash'ari theology, publicly criticizing the Hanbalis and labeling them Mujasimma or anthropomorphists." (Pg. 56)

    https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n64/mode/1up

    What's interesting to note is that al-Qushayri was labelling the Hanbali traditionalists as Mujasimma, not the Hanafi Karramis (who both Salafis and Ash'aris would agree were blatant Mujasimma).

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    • Ismaa'eel bin Yahyaa al-Muzanee (d. 264H): Student of Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee: Allaah is Above The Throne, With His Essence (Bi Dhaatihi), Separate and Distinct (Baa'in) From His Creation:

      http://www.abovethethrone.com/arsh/a...s-creation.cfm

      Al-Dhahabi in al-Siyar: The Statement of al-Muzanee (d. 264H) - The Tawhid of Any Person is Not Valid Until He Knows Allaah Is Above His Throne:

      http://www.abovethethrone.com/arsh/a...al-muzanee.cfm

      Commentary on Imam al-Muzani's Sharh us-Sunnah:

      https://salafibookstore.com/product/...harhus-sunnah/
      Last edited by AmantuBillahi; 17-02-20, 04:54 AM.

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      • Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
        The Salafis understand Bi La Kayf to mean "without inquiring how". The people of Kalam understood the statement as "without modality i.e. there is no how" in conformity with their version of the KCA.
        The Meaning of the Pious Predecessors "Bi La Kayf" in Regards to Allah's Attributes:

        https://as-salaf.com/print.php?aid=102&lang=en

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        • "Returning to the Fitna of al-Qushayri, while the door of physical violence was closed between the Ash'aris and Hanablis, it actually marked the beginning of a long a fierce intellectual battle between them - a battle that resurfaced time and again, and in fact continues to the present day. [1]

          [1] Ibn Taymiyyah, on more than one occasion, points out that the Hanablis and Ash'aris were considered one group and co-operated with one another until the Fitna of al-Qushayri. (Pg. 65)

          https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n73/mode/1up

          Yasir Qadhi then quotes Goldziher:

          "...for a long time it was not possible for them [Ash'aris] to teach theology in public. It was not until the middle of the eleventh century, when the Wazir of the Saljuqids, Nizam al-Mulk, created public chairs in the great schools founded by him in Nishapur and Baghdad for the new theological doctrine that Ash'ari dogmatic theology could be taught officially, and was admitted into the system of orthodox theology; its most illustrious representatives could have chairs in the Nizamiyya institutions. It is, then, here that the victory of the Ash'ari school was decided in its struggle against Mu'tazilism on the one hand, and intransigent orthodoxy [Hanabli traditionalism] on the other. There era in which these institutions flourishes is therefore important, not only in the history of education, but also in that of Muslim dogmatic theology. (Pg 65-66)

          https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n74/mode/1up

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          • Biography of the traditionalist-Shafi'i scholar Ibn Khuzaymah d. 311H:

            https://www.as-salaf.com/article.php?aid=84&lang=en

            Well written article on Ibn Khuzaymah's creed concerning the Quran:

            http://www.asharis.com/creed/article...-allaah-an.cfm

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            • "Najm al-Din al-Khubushani (d. 587) was by all accounts an ardent, over-zealous Ash'ari, so much so that when the Madrasa was being built next to the grave of al-Shafi'i, a grave of a Hanbali who had been buried close-by was dup by al-Khubushani, who began to throw the bones of the dead man outside, claiming "This was a Hashawi, he should not be next to the Imam; the grave of a saint and a heretic (zindiq) cannot be in the same place." Obviously, this caused great distress to the Hanbalis, but they were simply not in any position to do anything, and he had won over them." (Pg. 73)

              Note: The Ash'aris were condemning the Hanbalis by labelling them "Hashawiyya, Mushabbiha and Mujassima" well before Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 728) ever came on the scene. So much for the rosy picture some of their disingenuous propagandists would like to paint of the past.

              https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n81/mode/1up

              "Under the Ayybids [dynasty] alone, over a hundred and thirty Madrasas are reported to have built in Egypt and Syria. Significantly, not a single one of them was for the Hanbalis - the only Hanbali school in Ayyubid lands were those that had been built before the coming of that dynasty to power. The school was also sidelined in the Mamluk era as well (probably as a direct effect of its marginalization in Ayyubid times), and no new Hanbali schools were built in the region for over three centuries. With the odds so greatly stacked against them, it comes to no great surprise that Hanbali/Traditionalists theology gradually weaned, while Ash'ari teachings became more and more dominant." (Pg. 74-75)

              https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n81/mode/1up

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              • The problem is that the statements of Yasir Qadhi and those of Abuz Zubair (the things that can be found on the"aqeedah"-website you're posting are actually his words and were posted back then on IA Forums) is that they contain a lot of imprecise, half-true and even outright wrong informations (i.e. just like "asharis"-website) and unfortunately some people get affected by these wrong informations.

                One should know one thing: These revisionists mentioned above are all trying to rewrite history as it suits them and they do NOT tell you the whole story and at times they even claim the exact opposite of the reality.

                Why don't they for example tell us what the historian Imam Ibn al-Athir (d. 630 AH) said in his famous Al-Kamil fil Tarikh?
                Why are they hiding the fact that a faction from among the Hanbalis were quite extreme and had very weird views (including a clear inclination towards Tashbih!) and terrorized major scholars? Why don't they tell us who terrorized A`imma like Imam al-Bukhari (d. 256 AH) or Imam al-Tabari (d. 310 AH)? Who were the people who accused Imam al-Tabari of Rafdh and Ilhad and even did not let him be buried by day, so that he was buried in his house by night?
                Why don't you tell us what happened in 323 AH and the years before it in Baghdad? And who were those people who would beat up any Shafi'i they saw and took the law into their hands and had completely lost their sense? Who were those people!?

                Instead of speaking about Nizam al-Mulk (d. 485 AH), why don't you people tell us why more than 150 years earlier (i.e. in 323 AH) the Khalifa al-Radhi [billah] (d. 329 AH) made the following public edict as mentioned in Al-Kamil fil Tarikh (translation is partly taken from other website):

                تارة أنّكم تزعمون أنّ صورة وجوهكم القبيحة السمجة على مثال ربّ العالمين، وهيئتكم الرذلة على هيئته، وتذكرون الكفّ والأصابع والرجلَيْن والنعلَيْن المُذهّبَين، والشعر القطط، والصعود إلى السماء، والنزول إلى الدنيا، تبارك الله عمّا يقول الظالمون والجاحدون، علوّاً كبيراً... وأمير المؤمنين يقسم بالله قسماً جهداً إليه يلزمه الوفاء به لئن لم تنتهوا عن مذموم مذهبكم ومعوج طريقتكم ليوسعنّكم ضرباً وتشريداً، وقتلاً وتبديداً، وليستعملنّ السيف في رقابكم، والنار في منازلكم ومحالّكم

                At times you claim that the image of your deformed and ugly faces is upon the likeness of the Lord of the worlds and that your despicable appearance is upon His appearance.
                You mention the ‘palm of a hand’ and the ‘fingers’ and the ‘two feet’ and the ‘two gilded sandals’ and the ‘short and curly hair’ and the ‘climbing’ to heaven and the ‘descending’ to the world – Exalted is Allah far above what the oppressors and rejecters say of Him!

                ...
                The Prince of the Believers swears an oath before Allah by which he binds himself, that unless you put an end to your vile belief and crooked way, to destroy you to the last man by sword and by fire inside your very houses.

                - end of quote -

                Is this edict the fault of the Ash'aris?! (Obviously no!)
                Or it the fault of the extreme ones among the Hanbalis themselves? (Read what they did as mentioned in Al-Kamil fil Tarikh and then the answer should be easy!)
                Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 17-02-20, 10:35 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Abu Sulayman View Post
                  The problem is that the statements of Yasir Qadhi and those of Abuz Zubair (the things that can be found on the"aqeedah"-website you're posting are actually his words and were posted back then on IA Forums) is that they contain a lot of imprecise, half-true and even outright wrong informations (i.e. just like "asharis"-website) and unfortunately some people get affected by these wrong informations.

                  One should know one thing: These revisionists mentioned above are all trying to rewrite history as it suits them and they do NOT tell you the whole story and at times they even claim the exact opposite of the reality.
                  An example how these revisionists sometime do not shy away from claiming the exact opposite of the truth:

                  Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
                  "A key figure in Nishapur, perhaps even the senior-most figure in the city, best illustrates this point: the official "Shaykh al-Islam, a teacher for over seventy years, Abd al-Rahman al-Sabuni (d. 449). He had biological ties with famous Shafi'is and Hanablis of previous generations, and had studied under traditionalists and Ash'ari authorities.

                  While most earlier writers have considered him to be of the Ash'ari-Shafi'i faction, his extant work on theology clearly belies this claim. The "Aqida al-salaf ashab al-hadith" is a typical traditionalist theological treatise that is clearly intended as a critique of Ash'arism, even though the group is not mentioned by name. Al-Sabuni squarely places himself in the traditionalist-Shafi'i camp (with frequent quotations from Ibn Khuzayma) and defends the doctrines of the "ashab al-hadith", which he self-identifies with, against those who accuse them of being hashawiyya and mushabbiha." (Pg. 41)

                  https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n49/mode/1up
                  No one in his right mind would claim that Imam Abu 'Uthman al-Sabuni (d. 449 AH) was against Ash'aris! No one, except maybe dishonest or ignorant revisionists!

                  There are several points here:

                  - The "Salafis" have been caught tampering his book 'Aqida al-Salaf Ashab al-Hadith in some editions and changing words therein; one should always be careful when "Salafis" print something, because they do not fear Allah ta'ala and have been caught tampering many times!
                  - The above mentioned book is written in the way of the scholars of Hadith and in line with the beliefs of early Ash'aris.
                  - Imam al-Sabuni regards the Ayat and Ahadith regarding the divine attributes to be from the Mutashabihat and mentions the Aya 3:7 in their context and says that one should relegate the [correct] interpretation to Allah ta'ala; this is obviously against the "Salafis".
                  - Imam al-Sabuni refers to Imam Ibn Mahdi al-Tabari (d. 380 AH) - who is a direct student of Imam Abul Hasan al-Ash'ari (d. 324 AH)! - in the above mentioned book and regards him from among the followers of the Salaf [al-salih] and praises him and even mentions his vast knowledge in 'Ilm al-Kalam (!!!) and that he has great books in this science; this alone destroys Yasir al-Qadhi's claim from its foundation and shows how he openly opposes the truth!
                  - It's mentioned in Tabyin Kadhib al-Muftari and in Tabaqat al-Shafi'iyya al-Kubra that Imam al-Qushayri (d. 465 AH) wrote a document in Khurasan in the year 436 AH where he defended Imam al-Ash'ari and among those who agreed with him Imam al-Sabuni is mentioned.
                  - And it's also mentioned in Tabyin Kadhib al-Muftari that Imam al-Sabuni highly praised the Imam Abu Mansur al-Baghdadi (d. 429 AH) - a staunch Ash'ari! - and called him from among the A`imma in Usul!
                  - In his Wasiyya while speaking about affirming the Istiwa of Allah ta'ala he says: "Without ascribing a modality to His Istiwa` or to follow from ones [own] action or understanding or imagination a way to affirm a modality, because modality does not apply to the attributes of our Lord." ("من غير أن يكيف استواءه عليه، أو يجعله لفعله وفهمه أو وهمه سبيلا إلى إثبات كيفيته، إذ الكيفية عن صفات ربنا منفية"); this again destroys "Salafis"!

                  Should I go on?

                  Anyways: Instead of derailing your own thread it would be better to open a separate thread.
                  Last edited by Abu Sulayman; 17-02-20, 10:32 PM.

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                  • "To wrap up this section, the primary thesis has been to prove that the dominance of Ash'ari theology was due almost exclusively to the function and role of the government-sponsored Madrasas, first introduced by Nizam al-Mulk and then emulated elsewhere. The Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudama (d. 620), writing at the turn of the seventh century from Damascus, alludes to the spread of Ash'arism in his time, and considers it to be an apocalyptic sign of the end of the world. He also describes the Ash'aris as "...people [who lust after] prestige and high positions, and own Madrasas and Ribats and Waafs ... and God has indeed given them this world, but has deprived them of religion, for they are always at the doors of the rulers, and their emissaries ever drowning in their desires for material gain." In another work of his, he notes that they are the ones "...in charge of the political realm, and are in full control of the state." Harsh religious polemics aside, it is clear that Ibn Qudama is painfully aware of the advantages the Ash'ari scholars have in procuring positions and grants that the Hanbalis had been deprived of." (Pg. 76)

                    https://archive.org/details/YasirQad...e/n85/mode/1up

                    He then concludes the chapter by relating the condition of the Ash'ari scholars pre-Nizamiyya vs post-Nizamiyya.
                    Last edited by AmantuBillahi; 18-02-20, 01:30 AM.

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                    • The Ash'aris believe the Quran is created because Allah cannot Speak with letters and sounds (which is what the Quran i.e. the Speech of Allah is comprised of):

                      https://aqeedah.wordpress.com/2006/0...as-refutation/

                      http://www.asharis.com/creed/series/...lam-nafsee.cfm

                      http://www.asharis.com/creed/article...two-qurans.cfm

                      http://www.asharis.com/creed/article...d-that-the.cfm

                      "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Words of Allah (KalamAllah). Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know." [9:6]

                      http://corpus.quran.com/translation....pter=9&verse=6
                      Last edited by AmantuBillahi; 20-02-20, 12:40 PM.

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                      • Yasir Qadhi - The Genesis of the Salafi-Ashari Divide PDF:

                        "Another manifestation of this tension occurred half a century later, in the far away land of Nishapur. This involved a relativlely minor, yet significant, fall out between the Shafi'i traditionalist Ibn Khuzaymah and his disciples. The controversy between the teacher and four of his students was over the eternality of God's Speech: does God continually speak, or does He speak when He wishes to speak? The students followed the position of Ibn Kullaab, and claimed, based on his premise of negating accidents subsisting in the essence of God, that God is eternally speaking, for their could be no "change" posited in God. Ibn Khuzaymah, following the traditionalist theology of affirming the apparent understanding of Scripture, claimed that God spoke at His will. When Ibn Khuzaymah was told about the beliefs of some of his students, he confronted them with this. While some of them attempted to defend their position, apparently the forcefulness of their teacher, and perhaps their lack of support elsewhere, caused them to retract, and eventually Ibn Khuzaymah made them publicly recant for their position." (Pg. 12/16)

                        Download link:

                        https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...mENWrEXE3e6HsJ

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                        • Imam Ibn Qudama's Treatise About the Speech of Allah and its Recitation:

                          https://islamthought.wordpress.com/2...ts-recitation/

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                          • Originally posted by AmantuBillahi View Post
                            Yasir Qadhi - The Genesis of the Salafi-Ashari Divide PDF:

                            "Another manifestation of this tension occurred half a century later, in the far away land of Nishapur. This involved a relativlely minor, yet significant, fall out between the Shafi'i traditionalist Ibn Khuzaymah and his disciples. The controversy between the teacher and four of his students was over the eternality of God's Speech: does God continually speak, or does He speak when He wishes to speak? The students followed the position of Ibn Kullaab, and claimed, based on his premise of negating accidents subsisting in the essence of God, that God is eternally speaking, for their could be no "change" posited in God. Ibn Khuzaymah, following the traditionalist theology of affirming the apparent understanding of Scripture, claimed that God spoke at His will. When Ibn Khuzaymah was told about the beliefs of some of his students, he confronted them with this. While some of them attempted to defend their position, apparently the forcefulness of their teacher, and perhaps their lack of support elsewhere, caused them to retract, and eventually Ibn Khuzaymah made them publicly recant for their position." (Pg. 12/16)

                            Download link:

                            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...mENWrEXE3e6HsJ
                            "The significance of this disagreement shows, perhaps for the second time after Ibn Hanbal's censuring of Ibn Kullaab, the tension between the teachings of Ibn Kullab and those of other traditionalists. Ibn Khuzaymah (d. 311) was of the position that eventually Ibn Taymiyyah championed: that God Speaks when [and how] He wishes to Speak, and that His Divine Speech is linked to his Will (Irada). The students of Ibn Khuzaymah, on the other hand, held the view that would become the mainstream Ash'ari position: that God's Speech is an eternal speech, not linked to his Will. For these students, along with later Ash'arites, God is continously speaking an internal speech." (Pg. 13/16)

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                              • Impressive advice by Shaykh Rabee al-Madkhali on living in the West and Hijrah:

                                Question:

                                May Allaah be benevolent to you; here is a question from the Salafi youth in Britain. They are asking about the ruling on residing in the lands of the unbelievers in order to escape the injustice of rulers in some Muslim countries. [They also ask about] the ruling on taking a British nationality.


                                Answer:
                                Allaah knows best, 90% of those who go to Europe and America go there not because any government is chasing them, not because of anything [like this]. Even if a government is trying to pursue [a Muslim], he should be patient and endure. When Ahmad b. Hanbal was tortured, did he go off to the lands of unbelief? I ask you: Ahmad b. Hanbal and others, then Ibn Taymiyah, when [the rulers] harmed them incessantly and imprisoned them, did they flee to the lands of unbelief? Allaah bless you, he should be patient, he should live in his own country, even in prison, it is better for him than going to Europe and America, especially since these [countries] have measures and policies to recruit Muslims into their societies, to Christianize them and convert them to atheists and heretics (zanaadiqah). These are old strategies which they are applying now and many corrupt preachers and corrupt scholars are striving to recruit Muslims into European societies now.

                                So why go to these countries? Why not be patient even if the government [of the Muslim country] pursues you, be patient, it is better for you. Many people go [to other counties] without being pursued. They go to eat and drink and serve the Jews and Christians in their countries, degrading themselves and Islam. Allaah bless you, He has promised he will provide your sustenance, whoever fears Allaah and obeys Him, He will make a way out for him and sustain him from where he would not imagine (Quran 65: 3). All you have to do is fear Allaah the Mighty and Majestic and obey Him (practice taqwaa) and your provision will come from places you would not imagine. A person never dies until he has fulfilled everything that was written for him. But Shaytan beautifies for him the idea of going to the West, so he can live there the life of cattle, first in derision and meekness, and then in tribulation and danger surrounding him and his family. When your child is six years old, where will he study? He will study in the schools of the Jews, atheists, secularists and Christians, and they will teach him their way of life, and they will not distinguish [between Muslims and non-Muslims] in this regard, may Allaah bless you.

                                Adopting an unbelieving foreign nationality instead of an Islamic one has been declared an act of Kufr by some scholars. A person does not take this nationality except after becoming prepared by submitting to the laws of these countries and aligning his loyalty to them and his enmity for those who go against them. He might also be prepared by fighting [for them]. If the Islamic army approached the unbelievers land, he [would have to] face the Islamic army because he has become a soldier for the enemies of Allaah and is prepared. They might enlist and prepare him to fight the Muslims in their own lands, as has occurred in Afghanistan. They recruited Muslims to fight the Afghans and a fatwa (religious edict) was issued by some corrupt scholars stating it is allowed for [a Muslim] to fight the Muslims to confirm his nationality and his allegiance to America. This is the fatwaa of Al-Qardawi, who occupies a great status amongst Muslims due to this fatw?. All?h bless you, how many evil corrupt edicts there are! We ask All?h for protection and wellbeing!

                                Right now, measures are being taken in the West to achieve these goals: to recruit Muslims into Western societies. How can you go there in these circumstances? It is obligatory upon Muslims to migrate [back] to their lands when they hear of these actions and attempts to integrate and merge them into the Western societies.


                                https://abdurrahman.org/2011/03/06/e...-shaykh-rabee/

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