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    Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

    I would like to have a serious discussion about this topic because it is not addressed in the Islamic community a lot.
    I reached a conclusion (based on experience), that Muslims who sin a lot have easier lives than good believers (i.e. those who follow the islamic rules).
    Why am I making such claim? it is from my experience in university , what I see in real live and social media.
    I know many muslim sisters back in university who partied, never dressed modesly, rarely prayed and they are now much more successfull (career wise) than my sisters who always prayed on time and dressed modesly, among many things. Sure we don't know what is inside their hearts and their intentions, but what is the point of praying and obeying Allah if we keep justifying wrongdoings because they might have pure hearts?

    Their lives are much easier, they have opportunities and have very little obstacles in their ways. I have seen that first hand! I put the same effort as that girl, she got a job right after graduation, quit it and traveled the world and now she has an even more prestigeous job abroad. Why does she have it easy but my other sisters are still struggling with unemployement and borderline poverty?
    Why do rich people who steal have properties and successfull businesses and live long? why do Muslim girls who show their bodies in Instagram and social media get to have success and money?
    I thought disobeying Allah would harm us? isnt that why we suffer? because of our sins?

    I reached out to Islamic scholars about this question but they all shut me down and told me not to ask it again.
    I am just a Muslim girl who is wondering. I am thankful million times for the blessings that I have, but why is life much easier for a girl in my age who doesn't pray and obey Allah?

    #2
    Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

    :salams
    Your question is actually very complicated. The simple answer is obviously, having a better life now is not as important as the hereafter.
    But let's break it down

    1) What is a better life?
    Here you seem to be implying that a better life is one where you have a 'successful' career and you have more money.
    I disagree with you. Money can help improve your standard of living, sure, but does it directly make your life 'better'? No
    I would say a better life is one where you are happier and more satisfied. One way to be satisfied is to focus on what you have over what you don't have. Remember rizq is from Allah.

    "But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not." (2:216)


    2) Perhaps in not obtaining that job, you were saved from some fitna. Perhaps there was good in you not getting the job.

    3) There are not as many practicing muslims. Proportion wise there may be just as many 'successful' practicing muslims.

    4) Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, when the unbeliever performs a good deed he is given a taste of its reward in the world. As for the believer, Allah will store his good deeds for him in the Hereafter and provide his sustenance in the world due to his obedience.”
    Source: Sahih Muslim 2808
    Ya Rab! When you give me wealth, do not take away my happiness. When you give me strength, do not take away my intelligence. When you give me victory, do not take away my humility. When you give me humility, do not take away my dignity.

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      #3
      Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

      "they have opportunities and have very little obstacles in their ways."

      Sounds like you're talking about urban people. Those people have mastered the urban life, and maybe that's why they are successful. But when you're taking about sinners it reminds me of those drug lords in Mexico, they live a very good life with lots of money but all those drugs lords will eventually come down like a skyscraper with a bad foundation, the bigger they build it, the faster they will fall.
      Last edited by sovietchild; 13-10-17, 03:25 AM.
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        #4
        Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

        Your looking at everything from the wrong perspective read Quran in arabic and english learn about the seerah and see knowledge to understand why you as a muslim have a life like this and for what reason

        Say Alhamdullilah you was born muslim,say alhamdullilah Allah allowed you to be protected frm shaytaan so you didnt commit some major sins

        Al-'Ankabut 29:64

        وَمَا هٰذِهِ الْحَيٰوةُ الدُّنْيَاۤ اِلَّا لَهْوٌ وَّلَعِبٌ*ؕ وَاِنَّ الدَّارَ الْاٰخِرَةَ لَهِىَ الْحَـيَوَانُ*ۘ لَوْ كَانُوْا يَعْلَمُوْنَ

        And this worldly life is not but diversion and amusement. And indeed, the home of the Hereafter - that is the [eternal] life, if only they knew.

        Fatir 35:5

        يٰۤـاَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اِنَّ وَعْدَ اللّٰهِ حَقٌّ فَلَا تَغُرَّنَّكُمُ الْحَيٰوةُ الدُّنْيَا وَلَا يَغُرَّنَّكُمْ بِاللّٰهِ الْغَرُوْرُ

        O mankind, indeed the promise of Allah is truth, so let not the worldly life delude you and be not deceived about Allah by the Deceiver.

        Al-Baqarah 2:155

        وَلَـنَبْلُوَنَّكُمْ بِشَىْءٍ مِّنَ الْخَـوْفِ وَالْجُـوْعِ وَنَقْصٍ مِّنَ الْاَمْوَالِ وَالْاَنْفُسِ وَالثَّمَرٰتِؕ وَبَشِّرِ الصّٰبِرِيْنَۙ

        And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient,

        Al-Baqarah 2:156

        الَّذِيْنَ اِذَآ اَصَابَتْهُمْ مُّصِيْبَةٌۖۙ قَالُوْٓا اِنَّا لِلّٰهِ وَاِنَّـآ اِلَيْهِ رٰجِعُوْنَؕ

        Who, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return."

        Al-Baqarah 2:157

        اُولٰٓٮِٕكَ عَلَيْهِمْ صَلَوٰتٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ وَرَحْمَةٌ* وَاُولٰٓٮِٕكَ هُمُ الْمُهْتَدُوْنَ

        Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided.

        Al-'Ankabut 29:2

        اَحَسِبَ النَّاسُ اَنْ يُّتْرَكُوْۤا اَنْ يَّقُوْلُوْۤا اٰمَنَّا وَهُمْ لَا يُفْتَـنُوْنَ

        Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?

        The messenger of Allah Mohammed sallallahu alaihi wasallam said every pain you go through your sins will be forgiven even the prick of a thorn

        So say Alhamdullilah these struggles you are going through your sins are being forgiven and we dont know how many sins we commit everyday only the angels beside us do subhanAllah

        These people might have nice jobs money and this and that but remember this world is nothing but a temporary life and this is all materialism true sweetness is Islam remembering Allah being patient and earning Jannah

        Allah is testing you with your struggles
        Allah tests the believers as he tested prophets
        Be patient and you will earn great reward in this world and if not even better jannah

        As-Saffat 37:44

        عَلٰى سُرُرٍ مُّتَقٰبِلِيْنَ

        On thrones facing one another.

        As-Saffat 37:45

        يُطَافُ عَلَيْهِمْ بِكَاْسٍ مِّنْ مَّعِيْنٍۢ*ۙ

        There will be circulated among them a cup [of wine] from a flowing spring,

        As-Saffat 37:46

        بَيْضَآءَ لَذَّةٍ لِّلشّٰرِبِيْنَ**ۖۚ

        White and delicious to the drinkers;

        As-Saffat 37:47

        لَا فِيْهَا غَوْلٌ وَّلَا هُمْ عَنْهَا يُنْزَفُوْنَ

        No bad effect is there in it, nor from it will they be intoxicated

        Az-Zumar 39:20

        لٰـكِنِ الَّذِيْنَ اتَّقَوْا رَبَّهُمْ لَهُمْ غُرَفٌ مِّنْ فَوْقِهَا غُرَفٌ مَّبْنِيَّةٌۙ تَجْرِىْ مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْاَنْهٰرُ ؕ وَعْدَ اللّٰهِ*ؕ لَا يُخْلِفُ اللّٰهُ الْمِيْعَادَ

        But those who have feared their Lord - for them are chambers, above them chambers built high, beneath which rivers flow. [This is] the promise of Allah . Allah does not fail in [His] promise.

        Ad-Dukhan 44:53

        يَّلْبَسُوْنَ مِنْ سُنْدُسٍ وَّاِسْتَبْرَقٍ مُّتَقٰبِلِيْنَۚ*ۙ

        Wearing [garments of] fine silk and brocade, facing each other.

        Ad-Dukhan 44:55

        يَدْعُوْنَ فِيْهَا بِكُلِّ فَاكِهَةٍ اٰمِنِيْنَۙ

        They will call therein for every [kind of] fruit - safe and secure.

        If your patient and steadfast and you stay true to Allah then inshAllah you will have palaces with rivers flowing bemeath them, with fruits and gold utencils and beautiful spouses and everlasting lifes with no evil or no worries and much more for eternity

        You just have to go through these trials and worship Allah

        The prophet also said this life is like sitting under the shade of a tree and then leaving it

        This life is so short we dont realise its flashing by prophet nooh alayhis salaam life for over 900 yrs and said it was lke going from one door to another

        So have sabr learn islam learm about tawheed pray your salaah and stay steadfast and be happy with what Allah gave you dont envy others for you domt know whats going on in the inside and the grass is not always greener
        Allah has blessed you with so much in life you nust havent realised it stay true to Allah and youl get the best of this world and akhira

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          #5
          Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

          And there are many sinners like drug addicts or alcohol abusers who end up in some trash.

          However, the world is very complicated, a lot of the time you need bribery to get things done, you need to get special recommendation from politician to get job/promotions, etc. If you run a business, there are businessmen who never pay their taxes and are more successful.

          So you play by a rulebook, sinners don't. And in a capitalist world, sinners win because they don't.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Lavender22 View Post
            I would like to have a serious discussion about this topic because it is not addressed in the Islamic community a lot.
            I reached a conclusion (based on experience), that Muslims who sin a lot have easier lives than good believers (i.e. those who follow the islamic rules).
            Why am I making such claim? it is from my experience in university , what I see in real live and social media.
            I know many muslim sisters back in university who partied, never dressed modesly, rarely prayed and they are now much more successfull (career wise) than my sisters who always prayed on time and dressed modesly, among many things. Sure we don't know what is inside their hearts and their intentions, but what is the point of praying and obeying Allah if we keep justifying wrongdoings because they might have pure hearts?

            Their lives are much easier, they have opportunities and have very little obstacles in their ways. I have seen that first hand! I put the same effort as that girl, she got a job right after graduation, quit it and traveled the world and now she has an even more prestigeous job abroad. Why does she have it easy but my other sisters are still struggling with unemployement and borderline poverty?
            Why do rich people who steal have properties and successfull businesses and live long? why do Muslim girls who show their bodies in Instagram and social media get to have success and money?
            I thought disobeying Allah would harm us? isnt that why we suffer? because of our sins?

            I reached out to Islamic scholars about this question but they all shut me down and told me not to ask it again.
            I am just a Muslim girl who is wondering. I am thankful million times for the blessings that I have, but why is life much easier for a girl in my age who doesn't pray and obey Allah?
            And what of the Hereafter? What share do these people have in the Hereafter? None. So forget about them. Allah has given them the dunya they crave so much, but it will be worthless in the end.

            Remember the dunya is a prison for the believer.

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              #7
              Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

              Originally posted by Stoic Believer View Post
              And what of the Hereafter? What share do these people have in the Hereafter? None. So forget about them. Allah has given them the dunya they crave so much, but it will be worthless in the end.

              Remember the dunya is a prison for the believer.
              Uh what about one grain of Iman hadith?

              Btw, even practicing people who pray 5 times a day, do Hajj can be extremely sinful. Have you heard of the huge scams in BD - all perpetrated by bearded people. There are some muslims who think all their sins will be forgiven if they do Hajj or "repent" after they become 60.

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                #8
                Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                Uh what about one grain of Iman hadith?

                Btw, even practicing people who pray 5 times a day, do Hajj can be extremely sinful. Have you heard of the huge scams in BD - all perpetrated by bearded people. There are some muslims who think all their sins will be forgiven if they do Hajj or "repent" after they become 60.
                Grain of iman, people who say laa ilaha ilallaa and believe in will go jannah yes but Allah says people who know Laa ilaaha ilalla

                You have to reject the taghut, believe in al wala wal baraa and follow tahweed to be entered into jannah you cant just say shahadaa and pray salaah and enter jannah if you at the same time do a form of shirk or dont reject taghut or hate for the sake of Allah

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                  #9
                  Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                  Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                  Uh what about one grain of Iman hadith?

                  Btw, even practicing people who pray 5 times a day, do Hajj can be extremely sinful. Have you heard of the huge scams in BD - all perpetrated by bearded people. There are some muslims who think all their sins will be forgiven if they do Hajj or "repent" after they become 60.
                  And we are all sinners even religious people sin but that doesnt mean they dont sincerelt repent

                  Yes if u do hajj sincerely and Allah accepts it then your sins are forgiven so what thats a mercy from Allah
                  We should be grateful

                  If people didnt sin then Allah would replace them with a people with a people that did sin and repented as Allah loves the repenters (hadith)

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                    #10
                    Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                    Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                    Uh what about one grain of Iman hadith?

                    Btw, even practicing people who pray 5 times a day, do Hajj can be extremely sinful. Have you heard of the huge scams in BD - all perpetrated by bearded people. There are some muslims who think all their sins will be forgiven if they do Hajj or "repent" after they become 60.
                    I meant Hajj scams.

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                      #11
                      Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                      Originally posted by Abu julaybeeb View Post
                      And we are all sinners
                      I have seen that phrase being used time and again by muslims to excuse the nastiest, grossest of sins. Sins that would even make white non-muslims look like good guys. And frankly, I'm quite tired of it.

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                        #12
                        Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                        Originally posted by Lavender22 View Post
                        I would like to have a serious discussion about this topic because it is not addressed in the Islamic community a lot.
                        I reached a conclusion (based on experience), that Muslims who sin a lot have easier lives than good believers (i.e. those who follow the islamic rules).
                        Why am I making such claim? it is from my experience in university , what I see in real live and social media.
                        I know many muslim sisters back in university who partied, never dressed modesly, rarely prayed and they are now much more successfull (career wise) than my sisters who always prayed on time and dressed modesly, among many things. Sure we don't know what is inside their hearts and their intentions, but what is the point of praying and obeying Allah if we keep justifying wrongdoings because they might have pure hearts?

                        Their lives are much easier, they have opportunities and have very little obstacles in their ways. I have seen that first hand! I put the same effort as that girl, she got a job right after graduation, quit it and traveled the world and now she has an even more prestigeous job abroad. Why does she have it easy but my other sisters are still struggling with unemployement and borderline poverty?
                        Why do rich people who steal have properties and successfull businesses and live long? why do Muslim girls who show their bodies in Instagram and social media get to have success and money?
                        I thought disobeying Allah would harm us? isnt that why we suffer? because of our sins?

                        I reached out to Islamic scholars about this question but they all shut me down and told me not to ask it again.
                        I am just a Muslim girl who is wondering. I am thankful million times for the blessings that I have, but why is life much easier for a girl in my age who doesn't pray and obey Allah?

                        To give you an analogy :

                        Imagine we have two people - someone who eats junk for their entire life and another who eats healthy.

                        Whilst the latter has to put more effort in, he / she will be rewarded eventually for their efforts, whilst the one who eats junk food will end up suffering with all sorts of illnesses.

                        The sinner in this world is like the one who fills himself with junk. They enjoy it now but will pay the price later...
                        Last edited by Poster; 13-10-17, 05:43 AM.

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                          #13
                          Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                          Good question

                          Simple answer is, the people closer to Allah get tested more in this life because Allah wants better for them in the next life

                          Second point: In the Quran it says every soul will be tested, those people you are looking at may be tested with much worse trials later in life. So Allah may actually be saving you from bigger difficulties by testing you now. Allahu'alim

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                            #14
                            Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                            Originally posted by Lavender22 View Post
                            Why do rich people who steal have properties and successfull businesses and live long? why do Muslim girls who show their bodies in Instagram and social media get to have success and money?
                            I thought disobeying Allah would harm us? isnt that why we suffer? because of our sins?

                            I reached out to Islamic scholars about this question but they all shut me down and told me not to ask it again.
                            I am just a Muslim girl who is wondering. I am thankful million times for the blessings that I have, but why is life much easier for a girl in my age who doesn't pray and obey Allah?
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                            1. For a believer, akhirah is the goal. Preferring the life of the world and seeking our reward here instead of the akhirah is actually a mindset of the non-believer. Yes, we want good things in this life and we have a share of that as Allah Ta'aalaa himself tells us in Qur'an, but our eyes should be set on akhirah.

                            2. We face the consequences of sins one way or another. This isn't to say we wish for adhaab upon someone who has sinned, of course not, but sins catch up with us. The saalihoon would mention how the harmful consequence of a particular sin manifested itself after years and years.

                            3. Hardship in dunya, as we age, through our children, then at the time of death, in the grave, on qiyaamah, in jahannam (Allah Ta'aalaa save us all from these things.) are all realities that cleanse us of dhunoob.

                            4. The Saalihoon would become concerned when life became too easy and worldly provisions and comforts became plentiful.

                            5. كُلُّ نَفْسٍ ذَائِقَةُ الْمَوْتِ ۗ وَنَبْلُوكُمْ بِالشَّرِّ وَالْخَيْرِ فِتْنَةً ۖ وَإِلَيْنَا تُرْجَعُونَ

                            Every one has to taste death, and We test you through bad and good (situations) with a trial, and to Us you are to be returned.

                            (-Sura Al-Anbiya', Ayah 35)


                            We are being tried whether in good situations or bad situations. Often, being 'well off' is a greater fitnah as it distances us from Allah Ta'aalaa, and we are oblivious to the reality that we are being tested.

                            6. Those parts of our lives spent in disobedience to Allah are deprivation from one form of goodness or other, from Him (SWT) - whether it's goodness we receive in dunya or akhirah, or in both.

                            7. We really don't know that life is easy and wonderful even now for those apparently having it easy, just as we don't know the depths of remorse and mental anguish they may have felt, and the kind of tawbah they performed as we don't know what truly lies in the hearts of people. Also, those of us who practice the deen sometimes harbour very ugly characteristics inside us in how we think and feel about others and ourselves without even realising - moreso than those we see as less practicing.

                            (Alhamdulillah, sister has mentioned she is engaged in trying to give shukr for her blessings. The most important thing is that as Muslims, fundamentally, our goal is never the comforts and good things of the dunya, our goal is the life of the Akhirah.)
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                              #15
                              Re: Do sinners have better lives than good muslims?

                              Originally posted by Lavender22 View Post

                              Their lives are much easier, they have opportunities and have very little obstacles in their ways. I have seen that first hand! I put the same effort as that girl, she got a job right after graduation, quit it and traveled the world and now she has an even more prestigeous job abroad. Why does she have it easy but my other sisters are still struggling with unemployement and borderline poverty?
                              Why do rich people who steal have properties and successfull businesses and live long? why do Muslim girls who show their bodies in Instagram and social media get to have success and money?
                              I thought disobeying Allah would harm us? isnt that why we suffer? because of our sins?

                              Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while such [trial] has not yet come to you as came to those who passed on before you? They were touched by poverty and hardship and were shaken until [even their] messenger and those who believed with him said,"When is the help of Allah ?" Unquestionably, the help of Allah is near.

                              [Qur'aan 2:214]


                              Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying:

                              The world is a prison-house for a believer and Paradise for a non-believer.


                              [Sahih Muslim]


                              Mus'ab bin Sa'd narrated from his father that a man said:

                              "O Messenger of Allah(sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam)! Which of the people is tried most severely?" He said: "The Prophets, then those nearest to them, then those nearest to them. A man is tried according to his religion; if he is firm in his religion, then his trials are more severe, and if he is frail in his religion, then he is tried according to the strength of his religion. The servant shall continue to be tried until he is left walking upon the earth without any sins."

                              [Jaami al-Tirmidhi]
                              Watch those eyes

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