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    #46
    Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

    Exactly this is the aim of propaganda machine that whoever wants to criticise the puppets in the Arab world they condemn him to be a Shia or to be a puppet of Iran and such things. Sects and races are highlighted intentionally.
    This is wrong bro. This is the plan of Ale-Saud and it's masters.
    People of middle east do not want that western or eastern powers decide for them and steal their treasures and misuse and humiliate them or oppress them. This is the common problem of all the people of middle east and resisting this disaster needs a lot of efforts and unity.
    Note: I am a shia.

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      #47
      Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

      when i see yemeni children with their ribcages visible, then i think saudi and respect shouldn't be said together
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        #48
        Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

        Originally posted by DerGläubiger View Post
        It's the only country the constitution of which is the Quran and the ahadith. If you should hate a country/government, it should be the US, Russia etc, not the KSA.
        Muslims do not hate or love any country.

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          #49
          Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

          Originally posted by Bismil View Post
          Muslims do not hate or love any country.

          No I'm not a Shia.
          "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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            #50
            Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

            Originally posted by ALAS View Post
            Exactly this is the aim of propaganda machine that whoever wants to criticise the puppets in the Arab world they condemn him to be a Shia or to be a puppet of Iran and such things. Sects and races are highlighted intentionally.
            This is wrong bro. This is the plan of Ale-Saud and it's masters.
            People of middle east do not want that western or eastern powers decide for them and steal their treasures and misuse and humiliate them or oppress them. This is the common problem of all the people of middle east and resisting this disaster needs a lot of efforts and unity.
            Talking rubbish as usual you taqiyya infested occultist. Get rid of the fire worshipping satanist scum of Iran, Behead all the degenerate ayatollahs in public. Its the despicable lying back stabbing shias who are supporting the murdering raping torturing Syrian regime among others and opressing the sunnis in Iran. What good are they doing with their oil money for any sunni? They need to be wiped off the face of the earth.
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              #51
              Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

              I'm not the biggest fan of the monarchy over there. But I would never want any fitnah to touch Saudi, the land of the Messenger :saw:, now we know that Saudi spreads fitnah in other Muslim lands (Yemen) but I never claimed that the government is perfect, unlike the madkhalis who have a weird obsession with loving them. And they will have to answer to Allah for killing innocent Muslims.
              "The organisation that is called as "the state" puts effort to destroy jihad in Sham as they destroyed it in Iraq because of their obvious transgressions against Quran and Sunnah." Abu Khalid as-Suri (Rahimahullah)

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                #52
                Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                Originally posted by Muslim First View Post
                I'm not the biggest fan of the monarchy over there. But I would never want any fitnah to touch Saudi, the land of the Messenger :saw:, now we know that Saudi spreads fitnah in other Muslim lands (Yemen) but I never claimed that the government is perfect, unlike the madkhalis who have a weird obsession with loving them. And they will have to answer to Allah for killing innocent Muslims.
                Yes, this is what my view as well. The main reason Saudi Arabia is anything remotely Islaamic is because of the people it hosts not the government. The government is already showing its true colors with the events of the kuffar it is adopting over the recent months.
                "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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                  #53
                  Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                  Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
                  It seems your obsessed with attaching people to mental disorders based of your other comments.Fear Allah, for one day you may wake up with one yourself.

                  Other than that the point of this thread was whether to respect KSA or not, no one put them on the same level as Iran nor have I asked for them to be destroyed. Iran is not even a topic of debate, everyone hates them.

                  Also I don't have an "agenda."
                  there is still a lot of good the Saudis do e.g. helping spread Islam, funding construction of mosques around the world.

                  the only alternative to a peaceful Saudi we have seen are idiots dispatching car bombs and killing ordinary people.

                  Saudi Arabia has executed one of its own young princes for the first time in 40 years, sending what analysts described as a “strong message” to younger royals that they are not above the law.

                  Prince Turki bin Saud bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabeer was beheaded on Tuesday afternoon for murder after he shot another young man during a brawl at a desert camp in 2012.

                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...for-murder-fo/
                  Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children...

                  -Quran (57:20)

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                    #54
                    Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                    Many of Saudis own scholars and students of knowledge made takfeer on the government, they all got thrown in prison, this is why today you don't find a single free scholar who holds this view in Saudi
                    ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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                      #55
                      Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                      Originally posted by deen1984 View Post
                      there is still a lot of good the Saudis do e.g. helping spread Islam, funding construction of mosques around the world.

                      the only alternative to a peaceful Saudi we have seen are idiots dispatching car bombs and killing ordinary people.

                      Saudi Arabia has executed one of its own young princes for the first time in 40 years, sending what analysts described as a “strong message” to younger royals that they are not above the law.

                      Prince Turki bin Saud bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabeer was beheaded on Tuesday afternoon for murder after he shot another young man during a brawl at a desert camp in 2012.

                      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...for-murder-fo/
                      is this some jole am reading? gcc have worst govts...dont expect justice there.And their govts consider muslims slaves...there is nothing heroic about ksa govt...I d rather live undrr a kaffir rulership with justice than under the useless arab rulers and its ppl...cept few who are good..many are just bunch of scum who scream too much when a throne hits their feet... Mostly they suffer from their own arrogance and ignorance...the more am interacting with arabs and their govts laws etc...the more i ve started to hate them...it wont bother me if israel rules over them.
                      ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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                        #56
                        Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                        Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
                        Yes, this is what my view as well. The main reason Saudi Arabia is anything remotely Islaamic is because of the people it hosts not the government. The government is already showing its true colors with the events of the kuffar it is adopting over the recent months.
                        After arabs you should live under non arab muslim govts...ypu ll hate them mor...gcc rulers visit their countries undrr the guise of tourism and hunting but young grls re brought to them by our so caed islamic govts...whol night the girls scream and neighbours hear the voices in fields where their tents are fixed...govt s gaurds dogs make surethey are protected...Wallah i dont care if such islamic world is put upside down by kaffir ntions..i ll celeberate the day..
                        ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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                          #57
                          Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                          Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
                          Yesterday I had a conversation with a supporter of KSA, who gave pretty decent proofs in defense of KSA. Still not convinced though, thoughts?

                          A. Revolting or standing up to this govt. even if misguided causes civil war, etc. as seen in Egypt, Syria, etc.

                          B. Abu Bakrah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: I heard Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) saying, “He who insults the rulers Allah will insult him.” [At-Tirmidhi].

                          C. Know that a ruler's oppression does not reduce or remove anything which Allaah has made obligatory upon the tongue of the Messenger (salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam). His [the ruler's] oppression is upon himself. Your acts of obedience and good deeds along with behaving well towards him are complete, if Allaah - the Most High - wills. Accompany them in all acts of obedience such as the congregational and Jumu'ah prayers, for you have your independent intention in that.

                          D. And in the authentic hadeeth which is agreed upon, from the narration of Aboo Hurayrah, who related that the Messenger of Allaah -may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace- said [what means]: “Whoever obeys me has obeyed Allaah, and whoever disobeys me has disobeyed Allaah. Whoever obeys my ameer (appointed leader) has obeyed me, and whoever disobeys my ameer has disobeyed me.” These are orders to obey both the scholars and the rulers.

                          E. No, as long as they (rulers) establish prayer among you. If you find something hateful from them, you should hate their actions but not withdraw your hand from obedience.- Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1855, Grade: Sahih

                          These were his primary proofs in defense of Saudi Arabia saying even though it is corrupted, one should respect its authority.
                          One of the things i have noticed about Muslims

                          we will selectively take ayats and hadith to support our predisposed positions, which may be wrong at times

                          we can find many hadiths to support saudi, if you want to support saudi

                          we can find many hadiths to fight saudi, if you want to fight saudi

                          what we need to do is compare our understanding and application of Islam to the Prophet and companions and those who followed them and those who followed them

                          and if in your sincere reflection of those predecessors, you see an acceptance of saudi, then by all means, support saudi
                          but if you see in that reflection that these predecessors would have fought against these regimes that have betrayed the ummah,then by all means that is the better understanding
                          .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
                          نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
                          دولة الإسلامية باقية





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                            #58
                            Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                            Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
                            One of the things i have noticed about Muslims

                            we will selectively take ayats and hadith to support our predisposed positions, which may be wrong at times

                            we can find many hadiths to support saudi, if you want to support saudi

                            we can find many hadiths to fight saudi, if you want to fight saudi

                            what we need to do is compare our understanding and application of Islam to the Prophet and companions and those who followed them and those who followed them

                            and if in your sincere reflection of those predecessors, you see an acceptance of saudi, then by all means, support saudi
                            but if you see in that reflection that these predecessors would have fought against these regimes that have betrayed the ummah,then by all means that is the better understanding
                            I need to study lives of Imam s Abu Hanifa, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Imam Shafi and Imam Malik, to find out what their take was on crazy rulers.
                            Know that the life of this world is but amusement and diversion and adornment and boasting to one another and competition in increase of wealth and children...

                            -Quran (57:20)

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                              #59
                              Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                              Originally posted by deen1984 View Post
                              I need to study lives of Imam s Abu Hanifa, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Imam Shafi and Imam Malik, to find out what their take was on crazy rulers.
                              Crazy rulers? First start off by Muslim or kafir rulers, that is the first step
                              Comparing tyrant Muslims to kafir rulers won't do much benifit
                              ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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                                #60
                                Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                                Originally posted by Muslim First View Post
                                I'm not the biggest fan of the monarchy over there. But I would never want any fitnah to touch Saudi, the land of the Messenger :saw:, now we know that Saudi spreads fitnah in other Muslim lands (Yemen) but I never claimed that the government is perfect, unlike the madkhalis who have a weird obsession with loving them. And they will have to answer to Allah for killing innocent Muslims.
                                Would you prefer Saudi to sit back and allow the Iran backed shia rebels to overthrow the Yemeni government?
                                Spears shall be shaken! Shields shall be splintered! a sword day..a red day..ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride to ruin, and the world’s ending!

                                None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.”

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