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    #16
    Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

    Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post

    These were his primary proofs in defense of Saudi Arabia saying even though it is corrupted, one should respect its authority.
    If a state is Muslim you should respect its authority, regardless of the corruption it has.

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      #17
      Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

      looks like you had no idea why you disliked them to begin with so you were hating based on nothing and following what others do?

      have I got this correct?
      "There will never cease to remain a group from my Ummah fighting upon the command of Allah, subjugating their enemies. They are not harmed by those who oppose them, until the Hour arrives".

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        #18
        Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

        Originally posted by Blackbeard View Post
        looks like you had no idea why you disliked them to begin with so you were hating based on nothing and following what others do?

        have I got this correct?
        no hate them based on the fact they've done nothing extraordinary for the Ummah, they support the very kuffar that laugh at them behind their back, and the racism towards Muslim expats
        "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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          #19
          Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

          Originally posted by Poster View Post
          If a state is Muslim you should respect its authority, regardless of the corruption it has.
          This is what I am trying to bring my self to accept.
          "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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            #20
            Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

            Originally posted by Abd al-Rahman View Post
            :salams

            Could someone of more knowledge tell us, do any of these statements apply to the ruler who is a kafir, and calls the people to obey them in sinfulness and transgression and kufr?

            I don't consider the government of Saudi Arabia to be murtad, I have seen the argument made in many places using many different proofs and examples, but I really haven't found a scholar who I trust greatly who has issued this opinion. Sometimes it feels to me like almost all of the people who are making this argument are extreme in some other way, which makes me trust their judgement less, I don't know, maybe someone can tell me what they think?

            However, the argument that the Saudi Arabian government is murtad is just one side of the arguments of people who are against them. Personally, I think that some members of the government are corrupt thieves and quite tyrannical, and that the government's foreign policy is just terrible, and they don't do enough to help oppressed Muslims around the world, but thats just me. I don't think this makes them disbelievers though.
            Neither do I think they're disbelievers, just not the great saviors of the people of the Ummah in this generation either.
            "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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              #21
              Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

              Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
              no hate them based on the fact they've done nothing extraordinary for the Ummah, they support the very kuffar that laugh at them behind their back, and the racism towards Muslim expats
              Have you done anything extraordinary for the ummah?

              Has the KSA done?Yes, they're spreading the message of Islam. We can take the Medina University as an example. They grant annually scholarships to many students from the world. The KSA could've forbidden it, but they didn't. This is only one example. You're not appreciating that we have at least one islamic country in the world. I grew up in a country where hijab is forbidden almost everywhere, you will be questioned and even might be arrested if you have a beard, let alone praying at work or uni and speaking freely about islam. Would it be better if the KSA was like this??.... The Fitna in Syria also began like this, from demonstrations and by trying to change the government. Would you like the KSA to be another Syria?

              I'm not saying, the saudi goverment is innocent, but whatever they do, it's between them and Allah. They are to be obeyed unless they commit kufr openly.

              As for racism, it might exist among some people, but the government definetely doesn't tell its people to be rascist.

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                #22
                Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                Comparing what I've done for the Ummah vs. that of an entire govt.'s doesn't work out nor am I here to brag about what I have contributed.

                I have not mentioned rebellion either (clearly didn't read the entirety of my original post).

                Nor have you read my other statement that I am attempting to respect KSA and am having jihad al-nafs.
                "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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                  #23
                  Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                  Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
                  Comparing what I've done for the Ummah vs. that of an entire govt.'s doesn't work out nor am I here to brag about what I have contributed.

                  I have not mentioned rebellion either (clearly didn't read the entirety of my original post).

                  Nor have you read my other statement that I am attempting to respect KSA and am having jihad al-nafs.
                  I read......Anyways, may Allah make you and me love what should be loved, and hate what should be hated.

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                    Last edited by Abu Zaytun; 17-12-17, 08:59 PM.

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                      #25
                      Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                      Originally posted by DerGlšubiger View Post
                      I read......Anyways, may Allah make you and me love what should be loved, and hate what should be hated.
                      Ameen
                      "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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                        #26
                        Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                        Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
                        This is what I am trying to bring my self to accept.
                        If you go to Saudi then you have to accept it (for the most part).

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                          #27
                          Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                          Good thread son. Good thread.

                          All I know is that some people go to big extremes in supporting the country. Others go to the other extreme in opposing it and declaring the king to be a kafir.

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                            #28
                            Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                            Fitnah should be avoided for sure. Any uprising should be based on people under supervision of righteous leaders not just based on a minority of people and weapon or western or eastern powers.

                            This is true that KSA is officially a slave of USA and Israel and it has exceeded the limits of Islam and humanity. But everything needs it's own process. For sure the first step is to advise them. Moses also advised Pharaoh. The leaders of KSA should know that they are in fact ruining themselves and they are ruining the treasures of Ummah ans that they can not kill all the people of middle east.

                            If revolution and uprising was so easy prophets could have established many just governments while only a few of them were successful in establishing a government. The role of people is very important besides the role of righteous leaders. It seems Hijaz lacks these two important factors nowadays.

                            But everything should go forth step by step and according to the Sunnah of Rasulullah and that how he dealt with the corrupted elites of Mecca. The revolution of Rasulullah was cultural and based on the people rather than anything else.
                            Note: I am a shia.

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                              #29
                              Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                              Originally posted by ALAS View Post
                              Fitnah should be avoided for sure. Any uprising should be based on people under supervision of righteous leaders not just based on a minority of people and weapon or western or eastern powers.

                              This is true that KSA is officially a slave of USA and Israel and it has exceeded the limits of Islam and humanity. But everything needs it's own process. For sure the first step is to advise them. Moses also advised Pharaoh. The leaders of KSA should know that they are in fact ruining themselves and they are ruining the treasures of Ummah ans that they can not kill all the people of middle east.

                              If revolution and uprising was so easy prophets could have established many just governments while only a few of them were successful in establishing a government. The role of people is very important besides the role of righteous leaders. It seems Hijaz lacks these two important factors nowadays.

                              But everything should go forth step by step and according to the Sunnah of Rasulullah and that how he dealt with the corrupted elites of Mecca. The revolution of Rasulullah was cultural and based on the people rather than anything else.
                              Bro why you still a Shia, you're way more educated than the avg Shia from what I've read of your content. What about being Sunni doesn't appeal to you?
                              "What is asked today is uniting the ranks of the Muwahideen, and to re-unite the Muslims. And directing the efforts to confront the challenges/threats of the Majoos, Tawagith and their donkeys the Murji'ah and the secularists."- Shayk Sulayman Al Alwan

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                                #30
                                Re: Respecting Saudi Arabia supported by Sunnah?

                                Originally posted by ServantofArRahman View Post
                                Bro why you still a Shia, you're way more educated than the avg Shia from what I've read of your content. What about being Sunni doesn't appeal to you?
                                Becz there are rafidis and then there are saudis or emaratis/qataris who are creating fitna and when someone tries to correct them .. they are disliked..Middleast in general need reformation..or ppl an be replaced...simple as that.Saudi govt is a stigma to islamic world...followed by gcc...
                                ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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