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    Assalam alaykum I got into a rather heated discussion with my mom regarding this topic. 4:93 says basically that whoever kills a Muslim intentionally (without repenting) goes to jahannam for eternity. A few ahadith state that all those who have the smallest amount of belief will enter Jannah. How do we explain this? I know I'm using a translation which I shouldn't in cases of sentencing people to hell, but I understood that those people wouldn't leave Hell for a very, very long time but will eventually enter Paradise. My mom says the Quran has the final say and that even the strongest believer will abide in Juhanam for eternity if they kill intentionally and don't repent.

    Side note: this discussion started from discussing current terrorist attacks, but I'm not interested in that at the moment. Jzk

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    4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

    You're right your mom is wrong, tell her not to speak without knowledge.
    You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

    You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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      Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

      Originally posted by lailahailaHuwa View Post
      Assalam alaykum I got into a rather heated discussion with my mom regarding this topic. 4:93 says basically that whoever kills a Muslim intentionally (without repenting) goes to jahannam for eternity. A few ahadith state that all those who have the smallest amount of belief will enter Jannah. How do we explain this? I know I'm using a translation which I shouldn't in cases of sentencing people to hell, but I understood that those people wouldn't leave Hell for a very, very long time but will eventually enter Paradise. My mom says the Quran has the final say and that even the strongest believer will abide in Juhanam for eternity if they kill intentionally and don't repent.

      Side note: this discussion started from discussing current terrorist attacks, but I'm not interested in that at the moment. Jzk
      Nobody with an atoms weight of Imaan will be in Jahannam Eternally,

      They will eventually be taken out and entered in Jannah,

      How long the punishment will be, Allah tala knows.

      نعوذ بالله من ذلك

      Don't wanna be in Jahannam even for a second,
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      "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

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        Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

        Refer to the Tafsir of the Ayah here...

        http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...2382&Itemid=80
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        "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

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          Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

          http://www.recitequran.com/tafsir/en.ibn-kathir/4:93



          جزاك الله خيرا
          Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 23-07-16, 02:01 AM.
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            Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

            Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
            Refer to the Tafsir of the Ayah here...

            http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?opt...2382&Itemid=80
            I might be misreading it, but it says that the repentance is accepted, which I do not dispute, but what about the one who doesn't repent?

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              Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

              Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
              You're right your mom is wrong, tell her not to speak without knowledge.
              That's what I thought, and I said this to her (politely of course), but she's asking why it says for eternity if it doesn't mean that. Do you have an answer?

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                Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                Originally posted by lailahailaHuwa View Post
                I might be misreading it, but it says that the repentance is accepted, which I do not dispute, but what about the one who doesn't repent?
                Allah عز و جل accepts sincere repentance of any sin,

                I'll ask Sheikh and come back to you

                Far as I'm aware, no believer will be in Jahannam Eternally
                Last edited by Saif-Uddin; 23-07-16, 02:36 AM.
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                  Originally posted by lailahailaHuwa View Post
                  Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                  You're right your mom is wrong, tell her not to speak without knowledge.
                  That's what I thought, and I said this to her (politely of course), but she's asking why it says for eternity if it doesn't mean that. Do you have an answer?
                  The sin itself is strong enough to take you to hell for eternity however La ilaha illallah is stronger in the end so it trumps the punishment. Well this makes sense to me personally.
                  You think you know more than my scholar's qiyās? He was more learned than you and all other scholars combined. Yeah, the devil was the greatest scholar too and look where his qiyās of fire being better than tīn got him. Sorry.

                  You follow your scholar's qiyās, and I will follow the Qur'ān and Sunnah.

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                    Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                    Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                    The sin itself is strong enough to take you to hell for eternity however La ilaha illallah is stronger in the end so it trumps the punishment. Well this makes sense to me personally.
                    Makes sense, jzkAllah khairan

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                      Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                      Originally posted by Linkdeutscher View Post
                      The sin itself is strong enough to take you to hell for eternity however La ilaha illallah is stronger in the end so it trumps the punishment. Well this makes sense to me personally.
                      So when the Quran uses the word (for eternity/ خالدا), it doesn't necessarily mean it? Or the rulings from Hadiths get precedence over the Quran?

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                        Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                        Asked Sheikh Abu Musab, he confirmed a person with Imaan who dies after murdering a Muslim won't be in Jahannam forever.

                        Eternal punishment is not for anyone who dies as a Muslim,

                        :jkk:
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                          Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                          Originally posted by Faisal-Parwana View Post
                          So when the Quran uses the word (for eternity/ خالدا), it doesn't necessarily mean it? Or the rulings from Hadiths get precedence over the Quran?
                          If they die upon Kuf/Shirk yes, not as a Muslim,

                          Nobody with an atoms weight of Imaan will reside in Jahannam Eternally

                          :jkk:
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                          "It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs."

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                            Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                            Originally posted by Saif-Uddin View Post
                            If they die upon Kuf/Shirk yes, not as a Muslim,

                            Nobody with an atoms weight of Imaan will reside in Jahannam Eternally

                            :jkk:
                            Can you explain what does the Quran actually mean when it says that the murderer will live in Hell for ever?
                            Nobody with an atoms weight of Imaan will reside in Jahannam Eternally.
                            Another Hadith says that: He who has in his heart the weight of a mustard seed of pride shall not enter Paradise.
                            Where will the proud believers go?

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                              Re: 4:93 - will murderers go to Hell forever

                              Someone (not here) said that it was abrogated, but that doesn't make much sense to me.

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