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  • Israel: A Divided Society

    We hear a lot about Racism and Discrimination against Arabs in Israel. This is in conjunction to Israel's infamous knack of genociding palestinians.

    What we don't hear a lot about is that israel is very much a divided and fragmented society with systematic racism and discrimination against Jews who are not Ashkenazi.

    Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment
    -Israeli President, Rivlin
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pol...eatment-379223

    Racism Against Mizrahi jews

    1) The roots of anti-Mizrahi racism in Israel http://972mag.com/the-roots-of-anti-...israel/114424/
    2) The legacy of racism toward Mizrahi Jews http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...sm-israel.html
    3) Racist Israeli Hanukkah Video Mocks Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews http://forward.com/opinion/325657/ra...-mizrahi-jews/


    Racism Against Ethiopian Jews

    1) The plight of Ethiopian Jews in Israel http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056
    2) Israeli Society Is Tainted by Racism http://www.haaretz.com/israeli-socie...acism-1.408251
    3) Israel's Long History of Racism: What Exactly Are Ethiopian Israelis Protesting? http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.654912

    Racism against arabs

    1) http://www.timesofisrael.com/plurali...s-study-shows/
    2) Discrimination Against Israeli Arabs Still Rampant, 10 Years On http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.550152
    3) In Israel, It's Kosher to Discriminate Against Non-Jewish Citizens http://www.wrmea.org/2011-september-...-citizens.html
    4) Arabs in Israel decry racial discrimination http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...240535797.html

    Israel's Religiously Divided Societyhttp://www.pewforum.org/2016/03/08/i...vided-society/

    Hareidi Jews: Isreal's Fifth Columnhttp://www.economist.com/news/middle...employment-eathttp://www.jpost.com/National-News/S...protest-344052

    3) Israel Prosperity Seen Unsustainable as Haredim Refuse to Work http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ork-takes-toll

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    Re: Israel: A Divided Society

    I have Always said that at this moment(or next 50 years) Muslims don't have the military capability to take on Israel. However, we have seen how divisions in religion and society can end up in civil wars. That's why i think if muslims really want to regain the holy lands, we have to exploit these differences in israeli society.

    Arabs and Hareidi jews make up 28% of the population. that's a significant minority. I think Hareidi jews can be very, very useful to the muslims. Hareidi jews are as poor or poorer than muslims. They hardly work and live simple lives, spending more time on yeshivots and rejecting secular education. That's why they are hated by seculars. However, they do vote in large numbers and hence are influential. We need to use them as a proxy. Ofcourse that will take billions of dollars of "investment" into them to encourage them to have more children than mainstream jewish population.

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      Re: Israel: A Divided Society

      Yes exactly Israel is very weak geopolitically, socially and ideologically. And Muslims are very weak thinking about such things ! Muslims should have many problems that they can not think about such things. This is why middle east is always on fire !
      Note: I am a shia.

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        Re: Israel: A Divided Society

        Even if Muslims somehow managed to exploit these divided in Israeli society and conquered Israel, the real question is what societies would the Muslims be able to establish given racism and discrimination is rampant among Muslims more than any other races in the world.

        Unless there is some kind of divine intervention, I can't see Muslims being able to establish any multi-ethnic, multicultural state in the near future. The fate of Muslims seem to be to remain as individual nation states. Based on reality and pragmatism, I think that is best at least for now.

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          Re: Israel: A Divided Society

          Originally posted by Spicen View Post
          I have Always said that at this moment(or next 50 years) Muslims don't have the military capability to take on Israel. However, we have seen how divisions in religion and society can end up in civil wars. That's why i think if muslims really want to regain the holy lands, we have to exploit these differences in israeli society.

          Arabs and Hareidi jews make up 28% of the population. that's a significant minority. I think Hareidi jews can be very, very useful to the muslims. Hareidi jews are as poor or poorer than muslims. They hardly work and live simple lives, spending more time on yeshivots and rejecting secular education. That's why they are hated by seculars. However, they do vote in large numbers and hence are influential. We need to use them as a proxy. Ofcourse that will take billions of dollars of "investment" into them to encourage them to have more children than mainstream jewish population.
          Most male haredi jews' "work" very hard poring over and debating obscurantist theological quibbles. If muslims put 'billions of dollars of "investment"' into them' and relieve the rest of Israeli society from supporting them it will probably make the other jews very grateful indeed.

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          • #6
            Re: Israel: A Divided Society

            There is great Hikmah behind Allah's decision to collect jews under one place.
            In one direction there is the sea and in other direction the future real mujahidiin under Mahdi closes on them.

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              Re: Israel: A Divided Society

              Originally posted by ALAS View Post
              Yes exactly Israel is very weak geopolitically, socially and ideologically. And Muslims are very weak thinking about such things ! Muslims should have many problems that they can not think about such things. This is why middle east is always on fire !
              The problem is that muslims are more divided than the jews. Otherwise israhell would have been history.

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                Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                Originally posted by Akash Lina View Post
                Even if Muslims somehow managed to exploit these divided in Israeli society and conquered Israel, the real question is what societies would the Muslims be able to establish given racism and discrimination is rampant among Muslims more than any other races in the world.

                Unless there is some kind of divine intervention, I can't see Muslims being able to establish any multi-ethnic, multicultural state in the near future. The fate of Muslims seem to be to remain as individual nation states. Based on reality and pragmatism, I think that is best at least for now.
                Well even if there wasn't any racism, establishing something like the Ottoman Khilafa is nearly impossible and would cost the muslim country in question too much to fight and unite(subjagate) other muslim countries to its rule. A more realistic scenario would be for a strong muslim country to make other muslim countries its satellite states. Like how EU is a satellite entity of US. Or how Lebanon is a satellite state of Iran.

                As Machiavelli would say, man must focus on what he can do instead of what he should do.

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                  Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                  Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                  Well even if there wasn't any racism, establishing something like the Ottoman Khilafa is nearly impossible and would cost the muslim country in question too much to fight and unite(subjagate) other muslim countries to its rule. A more realistic scenario would be for a strong muslim country to make other muslim countries its satellite states. Like how EU is a satellite entity of US. Or how Lebanon is a satellite state of Iran.

                  As Machiavelli would say, man must focus on what he can do instead of what he should do.
                  Instead of satellite/vassal states, there can be Muslim nation states untied under something like an EU.

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                    Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                    Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                    The problem is that muslims are more divided than the jews. Otherwise israhell would have been history.
                    If Muslims were not divided, then there would be any other major power in the world, Muslims would be the sole hegemony.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                      Originally posted by Akash Lina View Post
                      Instead of satellite/vassal states, there can be Muslim nation states untied under something like an EU.
                      Yes. A more 'militant' version of OIC i guess.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                        Originally posted by Akash Lina View Post
                        If Muslims were not divided, then there would be any other major power in the world, Muslims would be the sole hegemony.
                        We can always dream.....

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                        • #13
                          Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                          Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                          I have Always said that at this moment(or next 50 years) Muslims don't have the military capability to take on Israel. However, we have seen how divisions in religion and society can end up in civil wars. That's why i think if muslims really want to regain the holy lands, we have to exploit these differences in israeli society.

                          Arabs and Hareidi jews make up 28% of the population. that's a significant minority. I think Hareidi jews can be very, very useful to the muslims. Hareidi jews are as poor or poorer than muslims. They hardly work and live simple lives, spending more time on yeshivots and rejecting secular education. That's why they are hated by seculars. However, they do vote in large numbers and hence are influential. We need to use them as a proxy. Ofcourse that will take billions of dollars of "investment" into them to encourage them to have more children than mainstream jewish population.
                          I think you are mistaken to make this thread...Its the other way round...The ashkenazi ones are more friendly and tolerating than that of mizrahi,ethiopian or heraidi jews who are less tolerant to arabs...The biggest problem with ashkenazis are being pro gay and athiesm..plus kabbalah practice in some...Behavior wise they are more tolerant..Its like both ve pros and cons..
                          ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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                            Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                            Originally posted by snow_flakes View Post
                            I think you are mistaken to make this thread...Its the other way round...The ashkenazi ones are more friendly and tolerating than that of mizrahi,ethiopian or heraidi jews who are less tolerant to arabs...The biggest problem with ashkenazis are being pro gay and athiesm..plus kabbalah practice in some...Behavior wise they are more tolerant..Its like both ve pros and cons..
                            did u read the OP?

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                              Re: Israel: A Divided Society

                              Originally posted by Spicen View Post
                              did u read the OP?
                              Ya i ve read it...
                              ".......He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from Allah increaseth in most of them (kuffar) their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy.Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it;but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And Allah loveth not those who do mischief."(5:64)

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