Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

[abcdefghij]

What do you think. Give evidence for your stance too.

[quark]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

No I don't think so. What are your thoughts op?

[muslimboy764]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

Yes and it comes from a pagan origin

[abcdefghij]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

Yes and it comes from a pagan origin

How so?

[F_R]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

How so?

something to do with taking the demands/bad spirits away hence the more presents the more "protection" or something and the candle stuff too.

anyway all we are allowed to celebrate that is reoccuring are the two eids. nothing else. but you could ask the mawlid celebrators what they think

[quark]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

anyway all we are allowed to celebrate that is reoccuring are the two eids. nothing else. but you could ask the mawlid celebrators what they think

Birthday is not a religious celebration, as opposed to what you're refering to. We only have two religious celebration yes, the two eids, but what's your proof that we can't celebrate a non-religious event?

[Blackbeard]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

arguably yes


i however don't know

[F_R]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

Birthday is not a religious celebration, as opposed to what you're refering to. We only have two religious celebration yes, the two eids, but what's your proof that we can't celebrate a non-religious event?

how is it a non-religious event? the religious side of it has gone yes but it's still a part of it.

[quark]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

how is it a non-religious event?

Because it's not inherently tied to any particular religion.

The religious side of it has gone yes but it's still a part of it.

That's a contradiction.

[abcdefghij]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

something to do with taking the demands/bad spirits away hence the more presents the more "protection" or something and the candle stuff too.

anyway all we are allowed to celebrate that is reoccuring are the two eids. nothing else. but you could ask the mawlid celebrators what they think

What are you even talking about? Almost no one celebrates birthdays with that intention!

[abcdefghij]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

All those who think celebrating birthdays is haram because it makes us imititates non muslims, firstly prove how it celebrating or having a good time about the day you are born somehow related to non muslims and their activities. Secondly, orthodox christian women also wear hijab and male jews also keep a big beard, then why is this imitation rule not applied on that level?

[F_R]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

Because it's not inherently tied to any particular religion.

look at the origins of birthdays but that's not the only reason, as far as i am aware we are only allowed to celebrate the two eids as re-occurring events. religious or not. this is my understanding. everyone else (kuffar) have all their other annual celebrations, our annual celebrations are the two eids.

What are you even talking about? Almost no one celebrates birthdays with that intention!

people celebrate xmas today not because they believe in jesus but because it's commerical an that doesnt halalify it

[SofiaG]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

Ancient Egyptions were the first recorded to practice birthdays (except the 'birth' they celebrated was when a pharaoh was crowned and therefore 'reborn' as a 'god'), Ancient Romans were the first to celebrate birthday's of anyone who wasn't royal or wealthy or seen as a 'god' and the idea of birthday cakes and candles are an invention by the Germans.
So yeah, a lot of scholars consider birthdays to be imitation of kuffar (and it's safe to say they are right) but a lot of scholars also see it as permissible and harmless.

[F_R]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

Ancient Egyptions were the first recorded to practice birthdays (except the 'birth' they celebrated was when a pharaoh was crowned and therefore 'reborn' as a 'god'), Ancient Romans were the first to celebrate birthday's of anyone who wasn't royal or wealthy or seen as a 'god' and the idea of birthday cakes and candles are an invention by the Germans.
So yeah, a lot of scholars consider birthdays to be imitation of kuffar (and it's safe to say they are right) but a lot of scholars also see it as permissible and harmless.

who are they?

[Abu Abdur_Rahman]

Re: Is celebrating birthdays imitating kafirs/christians/jews?

All of this is nonsense... because if you ask the one who celebrates mawlid about his intention he will say "to get closer to Allah" or "to get closer to the Prophet (SAW)". How can they celebrate the birth of a prophet without that being tied to a religion?

Also, Halloween and the other holidays have virtually no ties left to a religion anymore. Yet it's still haraam because we would be imitating the pagans and their culture.