What is the Islamic reasoning behind women being in a car with nonmahram men?

[.mirror.]

Re: What is the Islamic reasoning behind women being in a car with nonmahram men?

To be fair, the fatwa says:
"As a taxi driver, it is permissible for you to take a female customer, based on the following considerations. It would not entail seclusion (khalwa) that is forbidden, as long as the streets taken have people there that can easily see inside the cab. Avoid secluded streets, and avoid doing so at night."

If it's halal for a man, then it would be halal for a woman to do this as well. Granted she follows the same procedures. If it isn't, because she may be alone with men, then why would it be okay here when brothers like to mention that women are a fitna?

...I think this is what Sheba was going with, but I could be wrong.

He does it for a living, he has an obligation to fulfill by providing for his family, and she wants it cause it's on her bucket list.

Totally different circumstances. First one I understand, second one is just bizarre.

I honestly don't think any scholar would say it's OK for a woman to do that, esp. since there is no need to do it to begin with.

[sims]

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But its halaal, that's all that matters.

Idk but it sounds like a unique experience. I'll be the first Muslim woman in the country to do it! Obviously not full-time or permanent but just a short experience, so I cross it out from bucket list.

I would call you all the time :)

[*sheba*]

Re: What is the Islamic reasoning behind women being in a car with nonmahram men?

To be fair, the fatwa says:
"As a taxi driver, it is permissible for you to take a female customer, based on the following considerations. It would not entail seclusion (khalwa) that is forbidden, as long as the streets taken have people there that can easily see inside the cab. Avoid secluded streets, and avoid doing so at night."

If it's halal for a man, then it would be halal for a woman to do this as well. Granted she follows the same procedures. If it isn't, because she may be alone with men, then why would it be okay here when brothers like to mention that women are a fitna?

...I think this is what Sheba was going with, but I could be wrong.

Nope, you are spot on!!

@ mirror, but if it was for a living then according to your fatwa its halaal for women also!

[*sheba*]

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I would call you all the time :)

I don't mind, business will be popping :p

[.mirror.]

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@ mirror, but if it was for a living then according to your fatwa its halaal for women also!

I didn't read that.

It's not my fatwa, ,btw.

[*sheba*]

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I did. No difference between a woman catching a ride with a taxi man or giving a man a ride as a taxi woman. Also no difference between men and women and the non-mahram rule.

It's not my fatwa, ,btw.

Obviously..

[ALAS]

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*Being two non-mahrams in one closed place is not haraam but it is extremely disliked. It depends on the situation.
The big question is why driving of women in Saudi is banned !
I myself dislikes or better to say fear some of their handlings ! but fortunately women usually pay more attention to laws than men.
There is no reason to ban their driving. Maybe Saudies fear that their women escape !!! There should be something wrong with them.

[.mirror.]

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I did. No difference between a woman catching a ride with a taxi man or giving a man a ride as a taxi woman. Also no difference between men and women and the non-mahram rule.

I don't think you are qualified to say there is no difference.

I clearly see a difference which I pointed out.

[budi.sudaryo]

Re: What is the Islamic reasoning behind women being in a car with nonmahram men?

*Being two non-mahrams in one closed place is not haraam but it is extremely disliked. It depends on the situation.
The big question is why driving of women in Saudi is banned !
I myself dislikes or better to say fear some of their handlings ! but fortunately women usually pay more attention to laws than men.
There is no reason to ban their driving. Maybe Saudies fear that their women escape !!! There should be something wrong with them.

do you mean it's makrooh, not haram? any source or explanation, please?

[ALAS]

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do you mean it's makrooh, not haram? any source or explanation, please?

http://www.14publications.com/questi...s-with-a-girl/

[budi.sudaryo]

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http://www.14publications.com/questi...s-with-a-girl/

Hmmm not sure about the source. Can we follow Shia scholars regarding fiqh matters? (assuming you're a Sunni)

[ALAS]

Re: What is the Islamic reasoning behind women being in a car with nonmahram men?

Hmmm not sure about the source. Can we follow Shia scholars regarding fiqh matters? (assuming you're a Sunni)

You should follow your school of thought, every school of thought is a pack and it has its own methods. You wanted the source and I provided.

Why do you want to be with a non-mahram in a closed room ! :)
It may lead to a big disaster. People like to spread rumors about others. People do not control their mouth. Even if we control ourselves. Prophet PBUH said we should avoid the situations that people like to slander us.

However maybe some exceptions happen in some situations. Allah knows better.
For example a woman in a taxi with the man driver is not a closed room !
An elevator is another example, some men and women may be in the elevator and no problems happen.
It depends on the situation.

Rememberance of Allah makes Shayatins to escape !

[Oum Soumayyah]

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As in taxi drivers. What is the Islamic reasoning? I'm talking about Saudi Arabia and it's no women don't drive ( but instead go into this car with a nonmahram man who will drive you)? Lately I've heard people talking about a lot of Saudi women getting raped and the men not getting punished according to sharia but they pay their way out if they're caught in the first place.

I really don't get it to be honest. Women can't drive (that's their law, so I have nothing to say about it), but they are allowed to be in a car with non-mahraam (the only option in case of emergency, or for a woman without mahaarim).
I don't get it at all. And when it's not taxi drivers, it's personal drivers who drive the women everywhere they want (even without a mahram in the car).
I just can't understand this.

I couldn't live in that country without family (especially mahraam). I don't take taxi alone even where I am now; I just can NOT.
At least if they had public transportation everywhere, that would make sense.

[Oum Soumayyah]

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His scenario in the fatwa and what you have conjured is totally different.

Saudi Arabia definitely NEEDS women drivers in every city. When there's a need, the needs must be met.
It would not only prevent women from driving with non-mahraam (a huge problem), and the women drivers would
also only drive within their cities avoiding distant travelling. And it would create jobs I guess. Not every woman
has responsible mahaarim in their family who actually spend on them. Some people NEED to work in order to survive.
I wouldn't volunteer for such job, but I definitely see the need for it in Saudi Arabia. Any other country, Maybe
not. I don't know any other country that bans women from driving.

The government has complicated the situation by banning women from driving but allow them to drive with
non-mahraam. Women staying in the home doesn't mean they should never go out or would never have a need
to go out. People take their children from and to school, go to the market to buy groceries, visit family members,
go to the hospital when needed, etc.