Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

[Abu Saeed]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

What is so hard to understand? Sharia law is not a choice, its a MUST, so why do so little countries actually have sharia? And I dont count saudi arabia as having sharia since they dont. Why do muslims shy away from sharia law? Its commanded upon us!

Muslims have become cowards.

scared of what the kuffaar "may" do to them if they hold firmly to their deen!

[Abu-Mohamed]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Muslims have become cowards.

scared of what the kuffaar "may" do to them if they hold firmly to their deen!

Exactly brother.

[.Singaporean]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Do you apply Shari'a in your own house? Yes? No?

[noobz]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Do you apply Shari'a in your own house? Yes? No?

so we should implement flogging in our own house before we can implement it in the wider community?

such bravado nearly made me go 'awwww'.

[Abu Kamel]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Kaffirs are supposed to have their own separate courts under sharia law and do whatever they want in their private homes. If they want to get drunk, fornicate, dance naked, and act crazy as they have before then they can stay in the house. The Muslim state is only supposed to interfere with kafirs in the public sphere, take jizyah, and persecute them for public crimes or haram acts that affect Muslims etc.

Do you think Kufar living in an Islamic state don't have follow Shariah?

[Witwoa]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Was madina the prophet :saw: s land? Were the lands of al sham ,iraq,yemen the lands of prophet :saw: ? Was sharia not established there? Even if you dont go by this logic...today every muslim land is under control pf western puppets ...by default you need to go for sharia everywhere to stand against tyrants.Sometimes you ve to go for root problemi.e to go to the land of oppressors to remove oppression.

Show me the hadith

[Witwoa]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Muslims have become cowards.

scared of what the kuffaar "may" do to them if they hold firmly to their deen!

Let me tell you something you are right on one end. And wrong on another.
Your right muslims have become afraid to be open muslims. You are wrong because people are using there bravery to introduce new deen.
Show a quran or a hadith on leave it alone.

[emirali]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Most muslim want sharia law. They just dont have the power to make or persuade the government in the place they live adopt islamic law. I see lot of youth now realize the importance of islamic way of life, in the future we might see some hope when they enter the politic.

No they don't unfortunately

[TBYS]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Was madina the prophet :saw: s land? Were the lands of al sham ,iraq,yemen the lands of prophet :saw: ? Was sharia not established there? Even if you dont go by this logic...today every muslim land is under control pf western puppets ...by default you need to go for sharia everywhere to stand against tyrants.Sometimes you ve to go for root problemi.e to go to the land of oppressors to remove oppression.

So you think the muslims in non-muslims lands should go to the government and do what exactly?

[abufulaans]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Show me the hadith

The hadith's of the army's going out and asking rulers of other areas, to accept Islam, pay jizyah or fight.....
There are too many to quote

[Bint Radical]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Do you apply Shari'a in your own house? Yes? No?

in case you didn't know, sharia is not just stoning adulterers and cutting the hands of thieves

so yes. every muslim every household every town and nation is supposed to implement sharia

sharia punishment, however, is practiced to prevent others from thinking it's okay and not to spread fitna and corruption. so if you find out a person was drinking in the comfort of their own home and they try to keep it a secret, and it is little known and they may even have repented, they are not to be punished for it
only if it is widely known that they are punished

maybe there is differing opinions on this matter, but that is what at least some scholars have stated. I don't remember who, but Awlaki (may Allah have mercy on him) stated this in a lecture

[Harun1004]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Do you think Kufar living in an Islamic state don't have follow Shariah?

Certain religious acts like salat, zakat, hajj etc do not apply to the kuffar but are compulsory for Muslims under the shariah. But then other things are asked of them like jizyah, and selling haram to Muslims, public idol worship, and other public sins were haram but private matters of shirk and haram were ignored mostly etc. So yes there is a difference between the Islamic State's interaction with Muslim subjects and kafir subjects. I have heard stories in the past of how caliphs would ban the public sell of alcohol and not provide access or production of it to his people but would let Kaffirs seek alcohol on their own and brew alcohol in their homes and they would not be punished for this unless they committed public intoxication or engaged in public haram. Though the state did not provide kaffirs with alcohol, if the kaffir went out, obtained its ingredients on his own, made it himself, then consumed it at home then nobody really punished him/her. When a couple Jews fornicated in the lifetime of the Prophet (saws), the Rabbis tried to pretend that stoning was not in their book, then they were exposed as liars, and the Prophet (saws) judged that the two Jewish adulterers should be stoned. Interestingly he did not judge for them to be stoned based off of the Quran even though he was within his power as the leader, but he used their own Torah law to judge his Jewish subjects.

Abdullah ibn Umar said, The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."

[Bint Radical]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

Certain religious acts like salat, zakat, hajj etc do not apply to the kuffar but are compulsory for Muslims under the shariah. But then other things are asked of them like jizyah, selling haram to Muslims, public idol worship, etc. So yes there is a difference between the Islamic State's interaction with Muslim subjects and kafir subjects. When a couple Jews fornicated in the lifetime of the Prophet (saws), the Rabbis tried to pretend that stoning was not in their book, then they were exposed as liars, and the Prophet (saws) judged that the two Jewish adulterers should be stoned. Interestingly he did not judge for them to be stoned based off of the Quran even though he was within his power as the leader, but he used their own Torah law to judge his Jewish subjects.

Abdullah ibn Umar said, The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."

if they are spreading corruption, what is their penalty?

for example, we know the kuffar fornicate, but what happens if they start writing books with fornication and advertise prostitution, and things of that nature
is sharia punishment then to be implemented? or is the hadd punishment (which is also sharia punishment I guess)?

[Harby]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

I find a lot of fellow Muslims like to say that they want Sharia Law in theory but that is not the same as actually wanting to live under Sharia law in reality.

You never see the most vocal advocates of Sharia Law packing their bags and moving to any country which is (at least) trying to implement Sharia law. They keep talking about needing to find a land with 'perfect' Sharia law which doesn't exist anywhere and probably never has since the days of the Sahabah.

When I was younger I thought people were sincere about wanting to live under Sharia but as I've gotten older I see that no-one is moving to Muslim lands because they say those lands arent 'Muslim' enough. Instead many are trying to get into Kuffar lands instead with their secular laws.

Saying you want something and taking steps to try and get something are two different things. Mostly fellow Muslims will make excuses about how they have kids in schools (often secular schools) or they have a stable job and mortgage (hypocritical much?), etc.

[Vedtil]

Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

so we should implement flogging in our own house before we can implement it in the wider community?

such bravado nearly made me go 'awwww'.

I like how you have reduced sharia to basically meaning flogging. That's exactly what western media is doing. Please use your brain next time.