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Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

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  • #16
    Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

    Originally posted by Noorinheart View Post
    What is so hard to understand? Sharia law is not a choice, its a MUST, so why do so little countries actually have sharia? And I dont count saudi arabia as having sharia since they dont. Why do muslims shy away from sharia law? Its commanded upon us!
    Muslims have become cowards.

    scared of what the kuffaar "may" do to them if they hold firmly to their deen!

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    • #17
      Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

      Originally posted by Abu Saeed View Post
      Muslims have become cowards.

      scared of what the kuffaar "may" do to them if they hold firmly to their deen!
      Exactly brother.

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      • #18
        Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

        Do you apply Shari'a in your own house? Yes? No?

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        • #19
          Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

          Originally posted by .Singaporean View Post
          Do you apply Shari'a in your own house? Yes? No?
          so we should implement flogging in our own house before we can implement it in the wider community?

          such bravado nearly made me go 'awwww'.



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          • #20
            Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

            Originally posted by Harun1004 View Post
            Kaffirs are supposed to have their own separate courts under sharia law and do whatever they want in their private homes. If they want to get drunk, fornicate, dance naked, and act crazy as they have before then they can stay in the house. The Muslim state is only supposed to interfere with kafirs in the public sphere, take jizyah, and persecute them for public crimes or haram acts that affect Muslims etc.
            Do you think Kufar living in an Islamic state don't have follow Shariah?
            Allahumma, aranee al haqqu haqqan wa arzuqnee itiba`ahu, wa aranee al baatilu baatilaan wa arzuqnee ijtinaabahu.Oh Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
            " Do you know what destroys Islam? A mistake made by a scholar, the argument of a hypocrite in writing and the ruling of leaders who wish for people to stray

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            • #21
              Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

              Originally posted by snow_flakes View Post
              Was madina the prophet :saw: s land? Were the lands of al sham ,iraq,yemen the lands of prophet :saw: ? Was sharia not established there? Even if you dont go by this logic...today every muslim land is under control pf western puppets ...by default you need to go for sharia everywhere to stand against tyrants.Sometimes you ve to go for root problemi.e to go to the land of oppressors to remove oppression.
              Show me the hadith

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              • #22
                Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                Originally posted by Abu Saeed View Post
                Muslims have become cowards.

                scared of what the kuffaar "may" do to them if they hold firmly to their deen!
                Let me tell you something you are right on one end. And wrong on another.
                Your right muslims have become afraid to be open muslims. You are wrong because people are using there bravery to introduce new deen.
                Show a quran or a hadith on leave it alone.
                Last edited by Witwoa; 17-01-15, 05:07 PM.

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                • #23
                  Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                  Originally posted by wolkenwand View Post
                  Most muslim want sharia law. They just dont have the power to make or persuade the government in the place they live adopt islamic law. I see lot of youth now realize the importance of islamic way of life, in the future we might see some hope when they enter the politic.
                  No they don't unfortunately

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                  • #24
                    Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                    Originally posted by snow_flakes View Post
                    Was madina the prophet :saw: s land? Were the lands of al sham ,iraq,yemen the lands of prophet :saw: ? Was sharia not established there? Even if you dont go by this logic...today every muslim land is under control pf western puppets ...by default you need to go for sharia everywhere to stand against tyrants.Sometimes you ve to go for root problemi.e to go to the land of oppressors to remove oppression.
                    So you think the muslims in non-muslims lands should go to the government and do what exactly?

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                    • #25
                      Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                      Originally posted by Witwoa View Post
                      Show me the hadith
                      The hadith's of the army's going out and asking rulers of other areas, to accept Islam, pay jizyah or fight.....
                      There are too many to quote
                      ''If the bedouins and city dwellers were to fight between themselves until they wipe each other out, it will surely be less significant than them appointing a taghoot in the land which rules by that which is against the Shari'ah of Islaam which Allah sent his Messenger ﷺ with'' - Sheikh Sulayman bin Sahmaan

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                      • #26
                        Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                        Originally posted by .Singaporean View Post
                        Do you apply Shari'a in your own house? Yes? No?
                        in case you didn't know, sharia is not just stoning adulterers and cutting the hands of thieves

                        so yes. every muslim every household every town and nation is supposed to implement sharia

                        sharia punishment, however, is practiced to prevent others from thinking it's okay and not to spread fitna and corruption. so if you find out a person was drinking in the comfort of their own home and they try to keep it a secret, and it is little known and they may even have repented, they are not to be punished for it
                        only if it is widely known that they are punished

                        maybe there is differing opinions on this matter, but that is what at least some scholars have stated. I don't remember who, but Awlaki (may Allah have mercy on him) stated this in a lecture
                        If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
                        (al-Bukhaari)

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                        • #27
                          Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                          Originally posted by Abu Kamel View Post
                          Do you think Kufar living in an Islamic state don't have follow Shariah?
                          Certain religious acts like salat, zakat, hajj etc do not apply to the kuffar but are compulsory for Muslims under the shariah. But then other things are asked of them like jizyah, and selling haram to Muslims, public idol worship, and other public sins were haram but private matters of shirk and haram were ignored mostly etc. So yes there is a difference between the Islamic State's interaction with Muslim subjects and kafir subjects. I have heard stories in the past of how caliphs would ban the public sell of alcohol and not provide access or production of it to his people but would let Kaffirs seek alcohol on their own and brew alcohol in their homes and they would not be punished for this unless they committed public intoxication or engaged in public haram. Though the state did not provide kaffirs with alcohol, if the kaffir went out, obtained its ingredients on his own, made it himself, then consumed it at home then nobody really punished him/her. When a couple Jews fornicated in the lifetime of the Prophet (saws), the Rabbis tried to pretend that stoning was not in their book, then they were exposed as liars, and the Prophet (saws) judged that the two Jewish adulterers should be stoned. Interestingly he did not judge for them to be stoned based off of the Quran even though he was within his power as the leader, but he used their own Torah law to judge his Jewish subjects.

                          Abdullah ibn Umar said, The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."
                          Last edited by Harun1004; 17-01-15, 07:22 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                            Originally posted by Harun1004 View Post
                            Certain religious acts like salat, zakat, hajj etc do not apply to the kuffar but are compulsory for Muslims under the shariah. But then other things are asked of them like jizyah, selling haram to Muslims, public idol worship, etc. So yes there is a difference between the Islamic State's interaction with Muslim subjects and kafir subjects. When a couple Jews fornicated in the lifetime of the Prophet (saws), the Rabbis tried to pretend that stoning was not in their book, then they were exposed as liars, and the Prophet (saws) judged that the two Jewish adulterers should be stoned. Interestingly he did not judge for them to be stoned based off of the Quran even though he was within his power as the leader, but he used their own Torah law to judge his Jewish subjects.

                            Abdullah ibn Umar said, The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."
                            if they are spreading corruption, what is their penalty?

                            for example, we know the kuffar fornicate, but what happens if they start writing books with fornication and advertise prostitution, and things of that nature
                            is sharia punishment then to be implemented? or is the hadd punishment (which is also sharia punishment I guess)?
                            If Allah & his Messenger :saw: ordered us to breathe in a certain way, we would say: "سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا We hear & We obey"
                            (al-Bukhaari)

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                            • #29
                              Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                              I find a lot of fellow Muslims like to say that they want Sharia Law in theory but that is not the same as actually wanting to live under Sharia law in reality.

                              You never see the most vocal advocates of Sharia Law packing their bags and moving to any country which is (at least) trying to implement Sharia law. They keep talking about needing to find a land with 'perfect' Sharia law which doesn't exist anywhere and probably never has since the days of the Sahabah.

                              When I was younger I thought people were sincere about wanting to live under Sharia but as I've gotten older I see that no-one is moving to Muslim lands because they say those lands arent 'Muslim' enough. Instead many are trying to get into Kuffar lands instead with their secular laws.

                              Saying you want something and taking steps to try and get something are two different things. Mostly fellow Muslims will make excuses about how they have kids in schools (often secular schools) or they have a stable job and mortgage (hypocritical much?), etc.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Sharia law is not a choice its compulsory upon muslims and muslim nations!

                                Originally posted by noobz View Post
                                so we should implement flogging in our own house before we can implement it in the wider community?

                                such bravado nearly made me go 'awwww'.
                                I like how you have reduced sharia to basically meaning flogging. That's exactly what western media is doing. Please use your brain next time.

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