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  • #16
    Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

    They're lashing themselves for accusing an innocent women of Zina.. raafidha are retarded.
    "The organisation that is called as "the state" puts effort to destroy jihad in Sham as they destroyed it in Iraq because of their obvious transgressions against Quran and Sunnah." Abu Khalid as-Suri (Rahimahullah)

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    • #17
      Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

      Originally posted by Ahmed2013 View Post
      https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mattam

      https://www.google.com/search?site=&...ttam&oq=mattam


      Youtube search and google image search, be warned, very graphic and brutal self inflicted violence


      Lets talk about graphic brother....

      You'll probably find there are many people laughing at us too for things such as....


      Honour Killings

      Acid Attics and cutting womens noses and ears off

      Public beheadings in the high street

      Bus bombing of innocent people

      Stoning women to death

      Cash for crash insurance scams

      Benefits frauds


      .....Oh how the list goes on!

      Not so funny now is it when the finger is pointed back at us?

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      • #18
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        So you're a shia. That explains a lot.

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        • #19
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          utter ignorance:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0KB_YQVsQY

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1THs0r-0k

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSmQ9mLmsU

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1XX1bxwRQc

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MI7uu0Z29Y

          utterly disgusting

          People need to be made aware of ignorance and misguidance like this. These things have no place in Islam period.

          Muhammad (salalahu alaiyhi salam) was not sent as a mercy to mankind so that ignorant people engage in burning themselves, hitting themselves, cutting themselves, spilling blood to 'symobilze' pain and all this other non-sense.

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          • #20
            Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

            Originally posted by Usernamed View Post
            JZK so what is the best way to mourn the death of the Prophets saw beloved grandson' and his family?

            I agree, there are a lot of innovations in ALL our sects, but some are for a good reason and others for bad.

            Lol pay day has that effect on all of us ...is this a good or bad innovation I wonder!
            Mourning should be sober.

            Crying is nothing wrong , prophet ( pbuh ) also cried on several occasions , even prophet Yakub ( as ) cried for his son.

            The most important thing is that we should remember the importance of the sacrifice made by Imam Hussain ( as ) on that day. It was not an easy thing for him. I have seen some people trying to undermine that sacrifice and say that there were several other incidents like this in Islam history. I feel pity for them , may Allah ( swt ) give them understanding of this sacrifice.

            As far as innovation or Bidah is concerned , I generally do not comment on such topics.

            You see we have several threads on Milad of prophet ( pbuh ) , and its ongoing debate about validity of that. I keep quiet on that issue because if we take the meaning of Bidah absolutely , then many things will fall under it.

            That is why i do not want to comment on something that I do not know.

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            • #21
              Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

              Originally posted by Usernamed View Post
              Lol Soooo funny again!!!

              Maybe you forgot about the following....

              In the Quran, it says that Sarah, wife of Prophet Abraham hit her face in grief when being told that she would have a child being aged and barren.

              There was also Owais al-Qarni who was a companion of the Prophet saw at the battle of Ohud. Who apon hearing that the Prophet had been hurt and had lost some teeth, broke his own teeth in grief. Although the Prophet did not denounce or criticise Owais for doing so.

              After the same battle, the Prophet saw established a period of mourning, grieving and maatum for his uncle Hamza ra. Shibli Numani

              When the Prophet saw passed away, it is documented that Aisha ra said 'I got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the other women' ibn Kathir.

              Also when Hazrat Umar ra heard of N'uman ibn Muqrin's death he beat his head and screamed ' O what a pity that Nu'man is dead' al-Hindi

              Perhaps, when we ridicule others, it will come back to us?
              I told you before that you cannot use the Quran or hadith that your describing as a justification to committ self harm as that is not what the ayat or hadith is telling us. People doing acts of matam does not mean it is a reason to turn it into a annual ritual of self inflicted bodily harm.

              What you are doing is sinful so I urge you to stop it.

              Originally posted by Usernamed View Post
              Lets talk about graphic brother....

              You'll probably find there are many people laughing at us too for things such as....


              Honour Killings

              Acid Attics and cutting womens noses and ears off

              Public beheadings in the high street

              Bus bombing of innocent people

              Stoning women to death

              Cash for crash insurance scams

              Benefits frauds


              .....Oh how the list goes on!

              Not so funny now is it when the finger is pointed back at us?
              What you have described is not part of islam and nor does the common muslim practice it. violence committed by individuals like you have described is not part of our deen and nor do we preach or promote it. This is nothing but ignorance.

              What the shias do however is an annual ritual and it is promoted by their imams and is part of their aqeedah.

              so get your head on straight first before making accusations against muslims who abhor these practices.

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              • #22
                Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                This is what I have found.

                Ayatollah Khamenei: Practical Laws of Islam >> Religious Events

                Q1430: What is the view on beating the drum and cymbal, blowing the trumpet, and lashing oneself with chains with blades during the processions of the commemoration of the martyrdom of Imam Husayn (a.s.)?

                A: If the use of such chains leads, in the eye of the public, to defaming our school of thought or inflicting a noticeable harmful effect on the body, it is not permissible. There is no harm in using the drum, cymbal, and trumpet in the traditional way.

                Q1439: Is there any basis in religion for piercing one's body with weights dangling therefrom, all in the name of commemorating the martyrdom of the Imam Husayn (a.s.)?

                A: These acts, which are, inevitably, bound to portray our school of thought in a negative shade, are impermissible.

                Q1449: In commemorating the martyrdom of Imam Husayn (a.s.) on the tenth of Muharram, some people hit themselves with a machete, or walk bare-footed on fire. Such actions defame Shi'ism and put it in a bad light, if not undermine it. They cause bodily and spiritual harms on these doing it as well. What is your opinion in this matter?

                A: Any practice that causes bodily harm, or leads to defaming the faith, is Haram. Accordingly, the believers have to steer clear of it. There is no doubt that many of these practices besmirch the image of Ahlul Bayt's (a.s.) School of Thought which is the worst damage and loss.

                Q1450: Is hitting oneself with swords Halal if it is done in secret? Or is your fatwa in this regard universal?

                A: In addition to the fact that it is not held in the common view as manifestations of mourning and grief and it has no precedent at the lifetime of the Imams (a.s.) and even after that and we have not received any tradition quoted from the Infallibles (a.s.) about any support for this act, be it privately or publicly, this practice would, at the present time, give others a bad image of our school of thought. Therefore, there is no way that it can be considered permissible




                Answer by Board of Istifa, Office of Grand Ayatollah Sistani: The main objective of mourning and lamentation during 'Ashura', is to respect the signs and symbols of religion and remember the suffering of Imam Hussain (as), his companions, and his uprising to defend Islam and prevent the destruction of the religion by Bani Umayyad dynasty. These rites must be done in such a way that in addition to serving that purpose, it draws the attention of others to these lofty goals. Also its ritual aspect should be preserved. So those actions which are not understandable for the enemies of Islam and non-Shia Muslims and causes misunderstanding and contempt for the religion must be avoided.
                Last edited by maes; 04-11-14, 07:29 AM.

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                • #23
                  Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                  ^^

                  Why are you showing fatwas of khomenin to us, its not our problem

                  now go tell that to the shia , and see what they say to your ayatollahs fatwas
                  Last edited by UFM; 04-11-14, 10:54 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                    more important and more influential people were murdered before Hussain May Allah Be Pleased with him, but Shias show no signs of being upset for those days, for example Ali and Hassan May Allah be pleased with them were was also killed, why not mark those days as tragic days? Why insist only on Hussein's death? Fact is, Shias do not really love Ali or even Hassan as much as they love Hussein for very obviously political reasons.
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                    • #25
                      Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                      Originally posted by Usernamed View Post
                      Lol Brother. Perhaps Yazid ibn Muawiya, Ibn Ziad, Shimr and Amr Saad were just handing out flowers to Husain ra and his family at Karbala?

                      Respectful reminder 'Seriously, I'm interested in finding out the facts ...not anti-shia comments or links to any youtube stupidity!'
                      The sahaba were in no doubts as to who were to blame for the death of Hussain Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu, and it was those cowardly treacherous betrayers of Kufa who promised him bayah and then abandoned him & the household of the Prophet :saw: to their fate, the same people who did nothing but give Ali Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu grief as well while he was in charge over them
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                      • #26
                        Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                        Originally posted by Usernamed View Post
                        JZK so what is the best way to mourn the death of the Prophets saw beloved grandson' and his family?
                        I don't think one needs to mourn over their death, what we should be doing is make dua for them, fasting, engaging in more Ibadah.
                        Mourning won't give them anything, but if we pray for them it'll benefit them as well as benefit us in sha Allah.
                        It's only my opinion though.
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                        • #27
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                          If we are on the topic of mourning, then why not mourn the martyrdom of Umar Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu by the hero of the shia Abu Lulu [May the curse of Allah :Swt be upon him] or the Khariji degenerate thugs [ May Allah curse them all ] that rebelled against and martyred Uthman Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu or that degenerate Ibn Muljam [amy Allah curse him] that martyred Ali Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu ? The murder of Uthman Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu was a greater tragedy, and it was the cause of rthis ummah becoming disunited and and lead tol all the fitnah that happened after. Why not mourn for the only man in the entire history of humanity who was married to not 1 but TWO of the daughters of a Prophet, and not just any Prophet but the best of all Prophets, the last & final Messenger Muhammad :saw: ?
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                          • #28
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                            The martyrdom of Hussain Alaihis Salaam is much more hurtful in my opinion then any other martyrdom in Islamic history. What you have to remember is Hussain Alaihis Salam is a part of the Prophet

                            Oh our Lord send peace and blessings upon our Prophet and His Family

                            The type of mourning done by some shias is prohibited in Islam and thats why we do not do it. Otherwise keeping alive the rememberance of this sacrifice is good. The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah (traditional sunnis) hold gatherings, throughout the year, to commemorate the sacrifice of Imam Hussain Alaihis Salam

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                            • #29
                              Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                              Originally posted by As-salah View Post
                              The martyrdom of Hussain Alaihis Salaam is much more hurtful in my opinion then any other martyrdom in Islamic history. What you have to remember is Hussain Alaihis Salam is a part of the Prophet
                              not at all.......

                              martydom of Umar/Uthman/Ali were more painful and especially the way Uthman may Allah be pleased with him was killed.......
                              "Be A Lamp, A Lifeboat, A Ladder, Help Someone's Soul Heal. Walk Out Of Your House Like A Shepherd" - Rumi

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                              • #30
                                Re: The act of Matam on Ashura

                                Originally posted by As-salah View Post
                                The martyrdom of Hussain Alaihis Salaam is much more hurtful in my opinion then any other martyrdom in Islamic history. What you have to remember is Hussain Alaihis Salam is a part of the Prophet

                                Oh our Lord send peace and blessings upon our Prophet and His Family

                                The type of mourning done by some shias is prohibited in Islam and thats why we do not do it. Otherwise keeping alive the rememberance of this sacrifice is good. The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah (traditional sunnis) hold gatherings, throughout the year, to commemorate the sacrifice of Imam Hussain Alaihis Salam
                                It is a very dark chapter in Islamic history that so called Muslims shed the blessed blood of the household of the Prophet :saw: , but what happened to Uthman Radhi-yallaahu 'anhu & the fall out of it did greater harm to the Ummah
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