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  • The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

    looking for this hadith
    .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
    نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
    دولة الإسلامية باقية






  • #2
    Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

    This one? -
    The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “I am not responsible for any Muslim who stays among polytheists. They asked: 'Why, Apostle of Allah? He said: ‘Their fires should not be visible to one another.’, and he (peace be upon him) said, “Who joins the polytheists and lives with them then he is like them” and he (peace be upon him) said: “Migration will not end until repentance ends, and repentance will not end until the sun rises in the west.”

    Ref: "Al-Musnad", Vol.4/99, Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Jihad, Vol.3/7, Hadith 2479, and ad-Darami, Kitab as-Siyyar, Vol.2/239. Albani classifies it as Sahih. See: "Sahih al-Ja'mi' as-Sagheer", Vol.6/186, Hadith 7346.

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    • #3
      Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

      :salams

      Surah Maryann (19)

      70 Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein.

      71 There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell): this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished.

      72 Then We shall save those who used to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers) therein (humbled) to their knees (in Hell).

      We all have to see hell, wether we like it or not.....
      Game over. I'am out. sorry for my wierd posts

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      • #4
        Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

        Originally posted by PearlOfIslam View Post
        This one? -



        Ref: "Al-Musnad", Vol.4/99, Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Jihad, Vol.3/7, Hadith 2479, and ad-Darami, Kitab as-Siyyar, Vol.2/239. Albani classifies it as Sahih. See: "Sahih al-Ja'mi' as-Sagheer", Vol.6/186, Hadith 7346.
        yes, that was it

        now is that hadith for that time or for all of us today? are we sinning by being within close proximity of the kuffar? going to school with them? befriending them?

        are our children suffering because we have them being raised amongst the kuffar? is this ummah suffering?
        .لا نريد زعيما يخاف البيت الإبيض
        نريد زعيما يخاف الواحد الأحد
        دولة الإسلامية باقية





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        • #5
          Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

          Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
          yes, that was it

          now is that hadith for that time or for all of us today? are we sinning by being within close proximity of the kuffar? going to school with them? befriending them?

          are our children suffering because we have them being raised amongst the kuffar? is this ummah suffering?
          Asalaamu Alaikum,

          Somewhat relevant -


          I live in a western country, and I can practice my religion without much difficulty, praise be to Allaah. I have seen on your site some ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which forbid Muslims to settle in kaafir lands or to live among the kuffaar. I am now confused about whether to go back to my country or to stay in this country, knowing that if I go back to my country, I will encounter hardship and persecution because of my adherence to the laws of Allaah, and I will not be able to find freedom of worship such as I enjoy in the country where I live now.
          I hope that you can answer my question and explain the ruling on my staying in this country, especially since the Muslim countries are no longer very different from others with regard to adherence to the laws of Islam.

          Praise be to Allaah.

          The basic principle is that it is not permissible for the Muslim to settle among the mushrikeen. This is indicated by evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and on the basis of common sense.

          In the Qur’aan, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?” They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on the earth.” They (angels) say: “Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell — what an evil destination!”

          [al-Nisa’ 4:97]

          In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

          With regard to common sense, the Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen cannot carry out many of the rituals and visible acts of worship of Islam, in addition to the fact that he is exposing himself to temptation because of the permissiveness in those countries that is protected by their laws. The Muslim should not expose himself to temptations and trials.

          This is if we look at the evidence of the Qur’aan and Sunnah without paying attention to what is really happening in Muslim countries and kaafir countries. But if we look at what is really happening in Muslim countries, we cannot agree with the questioner when he says, “Especially since the Muslim countries are no longer very different from others with regard to adherence to the laws of Islam.” But this generalization is not correct. The Muslim countries are not all the same with regard to how closely or otherwise they adhere to the laws of Islam. Rather they vary in that, and even within one country, regions and cities may vary in that regard.

          Similarly the kaafir countries are not all the same with regard to their permissiveness and moral laxity; they also vary in that regard.

          So given that the Muslim countries vary, as do the kaafir countries, and given that the Muslim cannot go to a Muslim state and settle there because of visa and strict settlement laws etc, and that a Muslim may not be able to practice his religion in some Muslim countries, when he may be able to do so in whole or at least in part in some kaafir countries – for all these reasons it is impossible to issue a general ruling that will cover all countries and all individuals. Rather we should say that each Muslim has his own unique set of circumstances and his own ruling that applies to him, and each person is accountable for himself. If he is able to practise his religion in the Muslim country in which he lives more than he can in a kaafir country, then it is not permissible for him to settle in a kaafir country. But if it is the other way round, then it is permissible for him to settle in a kaafir country, subject to the condition that he is confident that he can resist the desires and temptations to be found there by taking the precautionary measures prescribed in sharee’ah.

          There follow some comments of the scholars which support what we have said above:

          Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about this matter and he said: This is one of the most difficult issues nowadays because countries vary, as stated above, and because for some Muslims, if they go back to their homelands they will be persecuted for their religion whereas they are safe from that in the kaafir countries. But if we say that it is haraam for them to settle among the kuffaar, then where is the Islamic state that will accept them and allow them to settle there?! This is the meaning of what he said, may Allaah have mercy on him.

          Zakariya al-Ansaari al-Shaafa’i said in his book Asna al-Mataalib (4/207):

          It is obligatory to migrate from the kaafir lands to the Muslim lands for those who are able to do that, if they are unable to practise their religion openly.

          Ibn al-‘Arabi al-Maaliki said: Hijrah (migration) means leaving dar al-harb [non-Muslim lands] and going to dar al-islam [Muslim lands]. This was obligatory at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and remains so after his time for those who fear for their lives. From Nayl al-Awtaar, 8/33, by al-Shawkaani.

          Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said concerning the hadeeth, “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen”:

          This is to be understood as referring to those who are not safe to practise their religion there. Fath al-Baari, commentary on hadeeth no. 2825

          In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (20/206) it says:

          Dar al-harb refers to every place in which the rule of kufr prevails. One of the rulings that have to do with dar al-harb is hijrah (migration). With regard to migration from dar al-harb, the fuqaha’ divided people into three categories:

          (a) Those who are obliged to migrate: they are those who are able to migrate and who cannot practise their religion openly in dar al-harb. It is obligatory upon a female even if she does not have a mahram, if she thinks she will be safe when travelling, or if the risk of travelling is less than the risk of staying in dar al-harb…

          (b) Those who are not obliged to migrate: they are those who are unable to do so, either because of sickness or because they are forced to stay in the kaafir land, or those who are weak, such as woman and children, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way”

          [al-Nisa’ 4:98]

          (c) Those for whom migration is mustahabb but not obligatory: they include those who are able to migrate but are also able to practise their religion openly in dar al-harb. It is mustahabb for such a person to migrate so that he can participate in jihad and increase the numbers of the Muslims.

          In a fatwa issued by the Standing Committee (12/50): One may also migrate from a mushrik land to another mushrik land that is less evil and where there is less danger to the Muslim, as some of the Muslims migrated from Makkah at the Prophet’s command to Abyssinia.

          We ask Allaah to set the Muslims’ affairs straight.
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          • #6
            Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

            Also, go to page 13 on here - http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_...ara_part_3.pdf

            It gives a bit more in depth commentary on that particular hadith. I didn't bother to copy and paste the text here, messes up format/annoying to read.
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            • #7
              Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

              Originally posted by AbuMubarak View Post
              yes, that was it

              now is that hadith for that time or for all of us today? are we sinning by being within close proximity of the kuffar? going to school with them? befriending them?

              are our children suffering because we have them being raised amongst the kuffar? is this ummah suffering?
              On the contrary i think, the resurgence in Islam in the world might very well spring from the muslims livings in the lands of the kuffar

              Also i think the migration issue is only if the place stops you practicing your Deen.

              I dont think you can apply this to places which allow you to establish prayer and fast and give zakat etc, so i dont think the hadith is relevant in this circumstance.

              ALWAYS the condition is if it is NOT safe to practice then leave.

              So if its safe, then these dont apply ??

              Also its easy to compartmentalise the sins of the kuffar, as if we are somehow immune to them.

              Many kuffar have some better habits than some muslims, e.g. timekeeping, and i dont think you would be immune from them, even in muslims countries in this globalised world ??

              If muslim world was implementing a wise shariah under a righteous khulifa, well then thats a completely different story
              Last edited by TheEqualizer; 16-06-12, 03:29 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: The fire of the kuffar should not be in sight of the believer

                :salams

                Where could one even make hijra to? Saudi is almost impossible.

                You can't just move into the middle east without understanding the area...hospitals etc...
                "O friend, the cloth from which your burial shroud will be cut may have already reached the market and you remain unaware." Imam al-Ghazali R.A.

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