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    Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

    As we know we r prohibited from praying any nafl salaah during the fajr time...

    Below is a beautiful refutation of those innovators who say "we are only doing good deeds".

    Al-Baihaqi and others reported through an authentic chain of narrators traced back to Sa‘īd Ibn Al-Musayyab that the latter saw a man doing Salāt after dawn break more than two Rak‘ahs, doing long Rukū‘ and long Sujūd. Sa‘īd ordered him not to do Nāfilah after dawn break.

    The man wondered: ‘Would Allāh (swt) punish me for performing Nāfilah??’. Sa‘īd clarified: ‘No, but for violating the prophet’s (saw) Sunnah’. (1)

    Indeed, Sa‘īd Ibn Al-Musayyab set a magnificently powerful way of dealing with those who practice Bid‘ah considering it a righteous act of worship and condemning Ahlus Sunnah for their rejection to their practice claiming that they reject doing Nāfilah and reciting Thikr!! Indeed, Ahlus Sunnah reject all that which contradicts the prophet’s () Sunnah. (2)

    Footnotes:

    (1) Narratted by:Abdir Razzāq in “Al-Musannaf” (no. 4755), Ad-Dārimī in “As- Sunnan” (vol. 1 / p. 116), Muhammad Ibn Nasr in “Qiyāmul Lail” (p. 46) and Al- Baihaqī in “As-Sunnan Al-Kubrā” (vol. 2 / p. 466).

    (2) “Irwā’ul Galīl” (vol. 2 / p. 236).
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    Ibne Umar's innovation in Talbia
    ,

    Muslim Book 007, Number 2667/8

    'Abdullah b. 'Umar (ra) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) entered upon the state of Ihram near the mosque at Dhu'l-Hulaifa as his camel stood by it and he said: Here I am at Thy service, O Lord; here I am at Thy service: here I am at Thy service. There is no associate with Thee. Here I am at Thy service. All praise and grace is due to Thee and the sovereignty (too). There is no associate with Thee. They (the people) said that 'Abdullah b. 'Umar said that that was the Talbiya of the Messenger of Allah (saw). Nafi' said: 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) made this addition to it: Here I am at Thy service; here I am at Thy service; ready to obey Thee. The Good is in Thy Hand. Here I am at Thy service. Unto Thee is the petition and deed (is also for Thee


    So according to Ibnal Musayib r.a. ibn Umar also sinned for not doing sunnah ? is that your Qiyas :) ?

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      #3
      Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

      no, thats YOUR qiyaas based upon YOUR ignorance, and lack of knowledge of the usool.

      An addition from the sahaabah is considered marfoo' when it is something which he could not have come up with on his own accord...

      You obviously, u never knew that...

      P.s, ur smiling is just too babyish. Grow up...
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        Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

        Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
        Al-faqeer plz dont smile when u comment, it shows pure arrogance...

        P.s by restating ur silly arguments, u r just showing every how ignorant and stubborn u r to LEARN...
        May i know the name of your shaykh?

        From whom you got the permission to preach Islam by the usage of ahadith and Quran texts?

        A reminder.

        Again a reminder
        صلى الله على حبيبه محمد و على آله و أصحابه و سلم
        Al-Muslimeen

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          #5
          Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

          Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
          no, thats YOUR qiyaas based upon YOUR ignorance, and lack of knowledge of the usool.

          An addition from the sahaabah is considered marfoo' when it is something which he could not have come up with on his own accord...

          You obviously, u never knew that...

          P.s, ur smiling is just too babyish. Grow up...
          I like smiling mate , especailly since i know how to use the smilies in the correct places eh ? :)

          He came up with it on his own accord :

          So its bidah hasanah

          like this even during the lifetime of the prophet

          [Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 764: ]
          ,
          Narrated Rifa'a bin Rafi AzZuraqi:
          ,
          One day we were praying behind the Prophet. When he raised his head from bowing, he said, "Sami'a-l-lahu Liman hamida." A man behind him said, "Rabbana walaka-l hamd hamdan Kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi" (O our Lord! All the praises are for You, many good and blessed praises). When the Prophet completed the prayer...he asked, "Who has said these words?" The man replied, "I." The Prophet said, "I saw over thirty angels competing to write it first." Prophet rose (from bowing) and stood straight till all the vertebrae of his spinal column came to a natural position

          Go get a religios education mate . You gonna wish you never debated here .

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            Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

            Originally posted by ahmed_abdullah View Post
            May i know the name of your shaykh?

            From whom you got the permission to preach Islam by the usage of ahadith and Quran texts?

            A reminder.

            Again a reminder
            I answer u from 4 angles:

            1) my shaykh is a student of shyakh mashoor hasan aal-salmaan
            2) ur question posed only to me shows ur partisanship in not asking it to other members who don't oppose ur innovated stance.
            3) i ask the same question 2 u 9who is ur shaykh - just interested)
            4) ALL my points r backed by trustworthy scholars of the ummah
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              Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

              Originally posted by al faqeer View Post
              I like smiling mate , especailly since i know how to use the smilies in the correct places eh ? :)

              He came up with it on his own accord :

              So its bidah hasanah

              like this even during the lifetime of the prophet

              [Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 764: ]
              ,
              Narrated Rifa'a bin Rafi AzZuraqi:
              ,
              One day we were praying behind the Prophet. When he raised his head from bowing, he said, "Sami'a-l-lahu Liman hamida." A man behind him said, "Rabbana walaka-l hamd hamdan Kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi" (O our Lord! All the praises are for You, many good and blessed praises). When the Prophet completed the prayer...he asked, "Who has said these words?" The man replied, "I." The Prophet said, "I saw over thirty angels competing to write it first." Prophet rose (from bowing) and stood straight till all the vertebrae of his spinal column came to a natural position

              Go get a religios education mate . You gonna wish you never debated here .

              Ummm... the prophet (saw) approved of that sahaabhas action! DUH!

              P.s, yes i do wish i never debated here , bcz i see the ignorance of some ppl. may Allaah guide u and ur internet 'shaykh'...

              im out...
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                Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                Originally posted by al faqeer View Post
                I like smiling mate , especailly since i know how to use the smilies in the correct places eh ? :)

                He came up with it on his own accord :

                So its bidah hasanah

                like this even during the lifetime of the prophet

                [Bukhari Volume 1, Book 12, Number 764: ]
                ,
                Narrated Rifa'a bin Rafi AzZuraqi:
                ,
                One day we were praying behind the Prophet. When he raised his head from bowing, he said, "Sami'a-l-lahu Liman hamida." A man behind him said, "Rabbana walaka-l hamd hamdan Kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi" (O our Lord! All the praises are for You, many good and blessed praises). When the Prophet completed the prayer...he asked, "Who has said these words?" The man replied, "I." The Prophet said, "I saw over thirty angels competing to write it first." Prophet rose (from bowing) and stood straight till all the vertebrae of his spinal column came to a natural position

                Go get a religios education mate . You gonna wish you never debated here .

                Ummm... the prophet (saw0 approved of that sahaabhas acrtion! DUH!

                P.s, yes i do wish i never debated here , bcz i see the ignorance of some ppl. may Allaah guide u and ur internet 'shaykh'

                im out... got better things 2 do then argue with some kids...
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                  Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                  Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post

                  Ummm... the prophet (saw0 approved of that sahaabhas acrtion! DUH!

                  P.s, yes i do wish i never debated here , bcz i see the ignorance of some ppl. may Allaah guide u and ur internet 'shaykh'

                  im out...
                  Bro we agree to disagree , lets post more positive stuff and lose this argument .

                  Up to you .

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                    Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                    bro, let me advise you on somtghing.

                    your debating agaist one person whose skull is thicker then a rams. he will ask for a mountain of daleel, but if you ever ask him for some, he will never bring it. its a possibility that he is just a very good troll. so debating with him is pointless, because as the saying goes, when debating with an idiot, what he will do is drag you to his level, and then beat you with experience, and then that makes you more of an idiot then him. so let him soak in his own thoughts about whatever.

                    the other one is a belrevi, who wants to go visit a piirs grave. i think that says enough.
                    And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Gracious (Allâh) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness. (25:63)

                    O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment? (10) That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW),and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (11) (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Adn (Edn) Paradise; that is indeed the great success. (12)

                    JazakAllah khair for the duas but i would prefer duas for shahadah instead.

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                      Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                      Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
                      I answer u from 4 angles:

                      1) my shaykh is a student of shyakh mashoor hasan aal-salmaan
                      2) ur question posed only to me shows ur partisanship in not asking it to other members who don't oppose ur innovated stance.
                      3) i ask the same question 2 u 9who is ur shaykh - just interested)
                      4) ALL my points r backed by trustworthy scholars of the ummah
                      Shaykh masnoor hasan aal- salmaan? The student of Al-abani?
                      صلى الله على حبيبه محمد و على آله و أصحابه و سلم
                      Al-Muslimeen

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                        Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                        So you think hadeeths are not daleel eh Uncle U :D .

                        are you a quranite now eh ?

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                          Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                          and once again your personality is shining though.

                          fear Allah, before asertaining that i am a kaffir.

                          i just find it funny that you ask for a ijma on everything, but you yourself will never answer the call to bring scholaraly evidence.
                          And the (faithful) slaves of the Most Gracious (Allâh) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness. (25:63)

                          O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you from a painful torment? (10) That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW),and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (11) (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Adn (Edn) Paradise; that is indeed the great success. (12)

                          JazakAllah khair for the duas but i would prefer duas for shahadah instead.

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                            #14
                            Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                            Originally posted by TheAuthenticBase View Post
                            I answer u from 4 angles:

                            1) my shaykh is a student of shyakh mashoor hasan aal-salmaan
                            2) ur question posed only to me shows ur partisanship in not asking it to other members who don't oppose ur innovated stance.
                            3) i ask the same question 2 u 9who is ur shaykh - just interested)
                            4) ALL my points r backed by trustworthy scholars of the ummah
                            1.Did your shaykh who is the student of shaykh masnoor hasan aal salman who is the student of shaykh al-abani, ever gave you permission to give your apprehensions on the ahadith or rather gave you the permission to preach Islam by the usage of ahadith?

                            In short, do you have ijjazah?

                            4.Al-abani is not even backed by trustworthy scholars as he stated many scholars wrong on his own creed.So I don't think I would ever agree that you are backed by trustworthy scholar.Even your al-abani is nothing in front of Imam ibn kathir rahimullah alai or rather Imam bukhari rahimullah alai or rather Imam muslim rahimulllah alai.
                            صلى الله على حبيبه محمد و على آله و أصحابه و سلم
                            Al-Muslimeen

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                              Re: Innovators Doing "Nothing But Good Deeds" ***A MUST READ***

                              Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
                              and once again your personality is shining though.

                              fear Allah, before asertaining that i am a kaffir.

                              i just find it funny that you ask for a ijma on everything, but you yourself will never answer the call to bring scholaraly evidence.
                              You see , i gave you classical scholars who categorized bidah into two , and when i did , you were no where to be found :) .

                              So is that my problem , or is you sitting behind your keyboard with a mouth full of teeth , in a typing sense .

                              :D

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