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  • ethanol.. Question?

    Salam :)

    Okai Question time again :)


    Right, this time ethanol...

    ~ What is ethanol
    ~ How does it differ from alcohol
    ~ Is it an intoxicant
    ~ And is it haram [medical purposes]

    :)



    Proofs please, links anythink... But please keep it simple, my minds not up to reading lots of technical stuff


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    Re: ethanol.. Question?

    wa alaykumus salaam,

    ethanol is basically pure alcohol, you know the 4% alcohol in beer? the 4% is the ethanol so definately not a halal substance and yes it is an intoxicant.

    RE use in medicines, as far as i am aware this is permissable if a life and death or serious harm issue as in all haram matters and muslim physicians used to use alcohol as a disolving agent for medicines throughout islamic history.
    Daw'ud... is retired from ummah forum

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    • #3
      Re: ethanol.. Question?

      What about general medicines??
      and have you got any proofs on ethanol? or any medical sites cos im a bit clueless :scratch:


      ive been told diff by a few people
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      • #4
        It's an alcohol with a two carbon chain length of two

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        • #5
          Re: ethanol.. Question?

          Originally posted by Abu Dhahabi View Post
          It's an alcohol with a two carbon chain length of two
          :scratch:
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          • #6
            Re: ethanol.. Question?

            ethanol is c2h5oh and is alcohol in its purest form so yes it's an intoxicant.

            it may be used in medicine as long as it doesn't have an intoxicating effect i.e. taking it won't make you drunk

            http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/601/a...and%20medicine

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            • #8
              Re: ethanol.. Question?

              Anyone got the imaams' views on this..?
              "Treat people in such a way and live amongst them in such a manner that if you die they weep over you, and when you are alive, they crave for your company"

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              • #9
                Re: ethanol.. Question?

                It is eventually moonshine. And i don't see why it would be a problem unless you start drinking it.

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                • #10
                  Re: ethanol.. Question?

                  Mufti Ebrahim Desai:
                  In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

                  Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

                  Regarding your query, it seems to be based on a misconception. i.e." if something taken in a large quantity is an intoxicant then it is Haram even in a small quantity". While this is the opinion of some Ulama, the illustrious Fuqaha of the Hanafi Mazhab don't hold this view.

                  According to the Hanafi Mazhab, alcohols are divided into 2 groups Khamr and non Khamr. Khamr can be said to be alcohol derived from dates and grapes while non-khamr is alcohol not derived from any of these two . Now according to the Hanafi school of Fiqh, the ruling regarding Khamr is that even the most minuscule amount of it is haraam, regardless of whether it intoxicates or not, while the ruling considering other alcohols is that only that amount is haraam which intoxicates.

                  A small amount which doesn't cause intoxication is not haraam. The only condition is that it must not be drunk for amusement and pastime in a manner resembling that of the fussaaq (major sinners). If it is drank to gain strength, to digest the food, for medical reasons etc then it is permissible as long as it does not intoxicate. The point you mentioned ie. ." if something taken in a large quantity is an intoxicant then it is Haram even in a small quantity" this is taken to apply only to Khamr, while all other alcohols would only be haraam in an amount that could intoxicate.

                  Thus if you see the answers we give, we clearly state that alcohols made from things other than dates and grapes are permissible as long as they are in such a small amount that couldn't intoxicate eg. most softdrinks contain minuscule amounts of ethanol, however this is classified as permissible as even if one drinks so much of a particular softdrink that he cannot possibly drink a sip more, even the person with the lowest alcohol tolerance would not become intoxicated. (See Al-hidayah Vol.2 Pg.497, Ahkaamul Quraan liljassaas Vol.2 Pg.5, Bahrur Raaiq Vol.8 Pg.247,Shaami Vol.6 Pg.452-H.M.Saeed, Mabsoot Vol.24 Pg.15, Bada'i Vol.5 Pg.113, Tabyeen Vol.6 Pg.46, Tuhfatul Fuqaha Vol.3 Pg.325, Alamgiri Vol.5 Pg.412, Shilbi alat Tabyeen Vol.6 Pg.47, Ahsanul Fatawa Vol.8 Pg.488)

                  We hope that this has clarified the matter for you.

                  In case any further clarity is needed feel free to contact us.

                  and Allah Ta'ala Knows

                  Wassalam

                  Mufti Ebrahim Desai
                  Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah
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                  Reported by Ibn al-Salah:

                  ولقد أحسن الحسن بن أبي زياد اللؤلؤي صاحب أبي حنيفة فيما بلغنا عنه أنه استفتي في مسألة فأخطأ فيها ولم يعرف الذي أفتاه فاكترى مناديا فنادى أن الحسن بن أبي زياد استفتي يوم كذا وكذا في مسألة فأخطأ فمن كان أفتاه الحسن بن أبي زياد بشيء فليرجع إليه
                  فلبث أياما لا يفتي حتى وجد صاحب الفتوى فأعلمه أنه أخطأ وإن الصواب كذا وكذا والله أعلم

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                  • #11
                    Re: ethanol.. Question?

                    Oh yeah, in that case Rubicon would've been classed as haraam 'cause it got alcohol in it too.
                    But they say it's an 'insignificent' amount hence the allowance.
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                    • #12
                      Re: ethanol.. Question?

                      ethanol = CH3CH2OH
                      its a type of alcohol .. infact anything with the functional group "OH" is an "alcohol" .. and yeah, its "drinking alcohol" thats completely haraam and is an intoxicant

                      but i dont know if its permitted for medicinal purposes .. wa Allahu Al'am

                      btw u can use the hydroboration or oxymercuration reaction with an alkene to make alcohols and if you use alcohols with a carboxylic acid in the fischer esterfication reaction u get esters
                      Last edited by Ibn Sina; 29-12-10, 04:31 AM.

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                      • #13
                        Re: ethanol.. Question?

                        was gonna say i know some medical alcohol is like a natural alcohol that aint an intoxicant :scracth:

                        still a little confused but gettting there i guess lol
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                        • #14
                          Re: ethanol.. Question?

                          Originally posted by Muslimah_Alisha View Post
                          What about general medicines??
                          and have you got any proofs on ethanol? or any medical sites cos im a bit clueless :scratch:


                          ive been told diff by a few people
                          did a chemistry a-level, trust me on this. ethanol is the chemical name for just general alcohol. there are other alcahols like methanol, but that makes you go blind and others which dont work as well as different chemistry but ethanol is just the regular alcohol made through general biological processes.
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                          • #15
                            Re: ethanol.. Question?

                            Originally posted by dawud_uk View Post
                            did a chemistry a-level, trust me on this. ethanol is the chemical name for just general alcohol. there are other alcahols like methanol, but that makes you go blind and others which dont work as well as different chemistry but ethanol is just the regular alcohol made through general biological processes.
                            Okai then... i only got to GCSE level
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