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  • #31
    Re: Being friends with the kuffar

    Originally posted by ♥Hafsah♥ View Post
    isnt there a difference between being friends with someone and taking them as awaliya?
    Verse 1 ##
    1- O you. whose hearts reflect the image of religious and spiritual virtues: do not make a friendly intimacy with My enemy and yours who are disposed to strive against Allah and His cause and against the Messenger and his Faith. You regard them with tenderness when they have denied Allah and denied the truth you have received. They drove the Messenger along with you out of their midst, and ousted you of your privileges, for no reason other than the war of disbelief against belief in Allah, your Creator. If indeed you have gone to war to strive in My cause and to serve and satisfy My purpose, then how could you make a friendly intimacy with My enemies and regard them with tenderness! I know well what your breasts store of thoughts and feelings and what your breasts forge, I know what you converse secretly and utter below your breath, and what you suggest secretly to the mind. I also know what you avow openly and openly disclose, and what you utter loudly, and all that is being said. Therefore, he, who amongst you attempts to do this, will have wronged himself and wandered from the path of righteousness.

    Surat 'Al Mumtahana
    islamway
    اللهم ارزقنا حُسن الخاتِمة

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    • #32
      Re: Being friends with the kuffar

      For you to say that Allah (swt) is wrong is Kuffar
      at it's finest how can you call your creator wrong
      wrong when Allah (swt) knew before you where
      even created you would say those words?.....this just reinforces
      why we should never take the Kuffar as friends




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      • #33
        Re: Being friends with the kuffar

        Personally I'm gutted. A bunch of fundys don't want to be my friend. How will I ever cope?

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        • #34
          Re: Being friends with the kuffar

          I've never been very partial to
          chestnuts roasting on an open
          fire myself




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          • #35
            Re: Being friends with the kuffar

            Originally posted by RicardoWolf View Post
            Well I've never had any problems with my mates who are Muslims. Probably because we don't preach at each other.
            c'mon now, be serious...you dont have any mates

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            • #36
              Re: Being friends with the kuffar

              Originally posted by Tread Softly View Post

              A very insecure faith?

              Insecure? Allah swt, have teach our Prophet :saw: and us how to answer people like you


              [قُلْ فَأْتُواْ بِكِتَـبٍ مِّنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ هُوَ أَهْدَى مِنْهُمَآ أَتَّبِعْهُ]

              Say: "Then bring a Book from God, which is a better guide than these two that I may follow it.''


              Allah swt and His book is the truth, you can see the confident in this ayaa and in many more: unlike most religion who tells their followers never to read the Quran, coz its evil lol

              Btw our time is important for us, we know our purpose of life as muslims and we hang out with the ones, who helps us to remember Allah.

              You can take your self as a example...how many times have you insulted our religion and our God?
              why would a muslim hang out with you, what good will you bring in our lives?


              Once the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was asked, "What person can be the best friend?" "He who helps you remember Allah :saw: , and reminds you when you forget Him," the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), counseled.

              Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was further asked, "Who is the best among people?" Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) replied, "He who, when you look at him, you remember Allah :saw: ". Such a friend reflects qualities of love, mercy, honesty, service, patience, optimism, professionalism, and the entire lifestyle taught by Islam.

              Last edited by JDR; 11-02-10, 11:25 AM.
              They want to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate (it).)- It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, to make it superior over all religions even though the idolators hate (it).) Surah Al-Tawbah 32-33

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              • #37
                Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                Exactly, there is a huge difference between auliyah and friends. Islam lets you marry non muslims (muslim men can) how can you not be friend with them? How do you expect to spread the message of the deen without being in contact or getting friendly with them.

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                • #38
                  Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                  Is there a distinction then between a normal friend and an auliyah which I presume is a special kind of friend that is (also) a supporter, protector, helper?

                  Because I could understand the not being allowed to have a non-muslim supporter/protector/helper demand, but a rule not to have any non-muslims as friends seems to be, i dunno, like something from a sociopath's handbook.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                    Originally posted by Tread Softly View Post
                    Is there a distinction then between a normal friend and an auliyah which I presume is a special kind of friend that is (also) a supporter, protector, helper?

                    Because I could understand the not being allowed to have a non-muslim supporter/protector/helper demand, but a rule not to have any non-muslims as friends seems to be, i dunno, like something from a sociopath's handbook.
                    yes.. there is a difference between a wali and a normal friend
                    like hafsah with the hearts said above
                    thats always been my understanding anyway?
                    the meaning of the word wali is something more specific than just 'friend' in english, and 'close friend' is a better translation similar to how uv described it above
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                    • #40
                      Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                      Originally posted by .: Anna :. View Post
                      yes.. there is a difference between a wali and a normal friend
                      like hafsah with the hearts said above
                      thats always been my understanding anyway?
                      the meaning of the word wali is something more specific than just 'friend' in english, and 'close friend' is a better translation similar to how uv described it above
                      Allahu alam..
                      The word for friend in Arabic is "Sadiq" or "Rafiq". The word Awliya is better translated as "close friend". Over time meaning of words change by culture.

                      When allah says in the Quran not to take non muslim as friends. He does not use the word "Awliya" all the time. he uses many other words, other than awliya. Muslim who say we are still allowed to take non muslim as friends because allah only said we are not allowed to take them as "Awliya" are twisting Islam. Since many other words are used, not just Awliya

                      Allah says:

                      O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends (awliya); they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them -Qur'an 5:51

                      The meaning is:

                      Allah forbids His believing servants from having Jews and Christians as friends, because they are the enemies of Islam and its people, may Allah curse them. Allah then states that they are friends of each other and He gives a warning threat to those who do this"
                      http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=5&tid=14082

                      The hadith says;

                      "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."

                      Abu Dawud 41:4815

                      In many other incidents, the word Awliya is not used. There is also an incident mentioned in the tafsir in which Umar kicked a chrisitan out of Medina and said "take not the jews nor the chrisitan as friends"

                      http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=5&tid=14082

                      Allah says in Quran 19:70 and 19:71 that most muslim will go to hell, but they will be rescued (see tafsir for meaning). According to the hadith: Muhammad (saw) said their will be 73 sects and 72 sects will go to hell . There are also hadith which say out of every 100 muslims 99 will go to hell.-Sahih Bukhari 8: 76: 536

                      If allah is saying that most muslims will go to hell.This shows how misguided 99% of the muslim ummah is. Especially if they twist Islam just to take non muslims as friends.


                      Miracle of Islam: http://www.discoveringislam.org/tanzanian_boy.htm
                      Last edited by cloud360; 11-02-10, 03:44 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                        Originally posted by Umm Saalehah View Post
                        Question :


                        In the Quraan, it says that we can not take the Kuffaar as awliyaa, but what does that mean? I mean, to what degree? Can we do business with them still? If I'm at school, can we play basketball with them? Can we talk to them about basketball and stuff? Can we hang out with them as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves? The reason I ask is because someone I know does hang out with them in this way and it doesn't affect his beliefs, but I still tell him, "Why don't you hang out with the muslims instead?" He says that most or many of the Muslims drink and take drugs where they hang out and they have girlfriends and he's afraid that the sins of the Muslims will lure him, yet he's sure that the Kufr of the Kaafirs will not lure him because that's something that isn't attractive to him. So is hanging out with them, playing sports with them, and talking with them about sports considered as "taking them as awliyaa instead of the believers" keeping in mind that he is doing that for his own eemaan?.

                        Answer :

                        Praise be to Allaah.

                        Firstly:

                        Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends, and He has issued a stern warning against doing that.

                        Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”

                        [al-Maa’idah 5:51]

                        Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

                        In this verse Allaah tells us that whoever takes the Jews and Christians as friends is one of them because of his taking them as friends. Elsewhere Allaah states that taking them as friends incurs the wrath of Allaah and His eternal punishment, and that if the one who takes them as friends was a true believer he would not have taken them as friends. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers). Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before them; for that (reason) Allaah’s Wrath fell upon them, and in torment they will abide.

                        81. And had they believed in Allaah, and in the Prophet (Muhammad) and in what has been revealed to him, never would they have taken them (the disbelievers) as Awliyaa’ (protectors and helpers); but many of them are the Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

                        [al-Maa’idah 5:80-81]

                        Elsewhere Allaah forbids taking them as friends and explains the reason for that, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “O you who believe! Take not as friends the people who incurred the Wrath of Allaah (i.e. the Jews). Surely, they have despaired of (receiving any good in) the Hereafter, just as the disbelievers have despaired of those (buried) in graves (that they will not be resurrected on the Day of Resurrection)”

                        [al-Mumtahanah 60:13]

                        In another verse Allaah explains that this is so long as they are not taken as friends because of fear or taqiyah (i.e., being friendly with them in order to avoid harm); if that is the case then the one who does that is excused. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Awliyaa’ (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allaah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them”

                        [Aal ‘Imraan 3:28]

                        This verse explains all the verses quoted above which forbid taking the kaafirs as friends in general terms. What that refers to is in cases where one has a choice, but in cases of fear and taqiyah it is permissible to make friends with them, as much as is essential to protect oneself against their evil. That is subject to the condition that one’s faith should not be affected by that friendship and the one who is behaves in that manner out of necessity is not one who behaves in that manner out of choice.

                        It may be understood from the apparent meaning of these verses that the one who deliberately takes the kuffaar as friends by choice and because he likes them, is one of them. End quote.

                        Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 2/98,99

                        One of the forms of making friends with the kaafirs which is forbidden is taking them as friends and companions, mixing with them and eating and playing with them.

                        In the answer to question no. 10342 we have quoted Shaykh Ibn Baaz as saying:

                        Eating with a kaafir is not haraam if it is necessary to do so, or if that serves some shar’i interest. But they should not be taken as friends, so you should not eat with them for no shar’i reason or for no shar’i purpose. You should not sit and chat with them and laugh with them. But if there is a reason to do so, such as eating with a guest, or to invite them to Islam or to guide them to the truth, or for some other shar’i reason, then it is OK.

                        The fact that the food of the People of the Book is halaal for us does not mean that we may take them as friends and companions. It does not mean that we may eat and drink with them for no reason and for no shar’i purpose.

                        Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on mixing with the kuffaar and treating them kindly hoping that they will become Muslim. He replied:

                        Undoubtedly the Muslim is obliged to hate the enemies of Allaah and to disavow them, because this is the way of the Messengers and their followers. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”

                        [al-Mumtahanah 60:4]

                        “You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred (people). For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with Rooh (proofs, light and true guidance) from Himself”

                        [al-Mujaadilah 58:22]

                        Based on this, it is not permissible for a Muslim to feel any love in his heart towards the enemies of Allaah who are in fact his enemies too. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth”

                        [al-Mumtahanah 60:1]

                        But if a Muslim treats them with kindness and gentleness in the hope that they will become Muslim and will believe, there is nothing wrong with that, because it comes under the heading of opening their hearts to Islam. But if he despairs of them becoming Muslim, then he should treat them accordingly. This is something that is discussed in detail by the scholars, especially in the book Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah by Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him).

                        Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3, question no. 389.

                        Secondly:

                        With regard to what this person says about not mixing with sinful Muslims for fear that he may be tempted by their sins, but the kufr of the kuffaar does not tempt him, the answer to that is:

                        As for not mixing with Muslims who commit sin, he is doing well thereby, if he is not able to advise them and forbid them to do evil, and he fears that he may fall into the same sins and think it is something good.

                        With regard to mixing with the kuffaar, the reason why mixing with the kuffaar is not allowed is not only the fear that one may fall into kufr, rather the main reason for this ruling is their enmity towards Allaah and His Messenger and the believers. Allaah has indicated this reason in the verse where He says (interpretation of the meaning):

                        “O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Qur’aan, and Muhammad), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allaah your Lord”

                        [al-Mumtahanah 60:1]

                        So how can it be appropriate for a Muslim to keep company with the enemy of Allaah and his enemy, and make friends with him?

                        How can he be certain that he will not start to think of their ways as good? Many Muslims have fallen into kufr and heresy and have apostatized from Islam because of keeping company with the kuffaar and living in their countries. Some of them have become Jews and some have become Christians, and some have embraced atheistic philosophies.

                        We ask Allaah to make us steadfast in following His religion.

                        See also the answer to question no. 2179, which explains the important principle of the prohibition on taking the kuffaar as close friends. It also describes many forms of the kinds of friendship that are forbidden.

                        In the answer to question no. 43270 you will find the ruling on saying that the morals and manners of the kuffaar are better than those of the Muslims, and there is a quotation from Shaykh Ibn Baaz on the prohibition on saying such a thing.

                        In the answer to question no. 26118 and 23325 it is stated that it is forbidden to keep company with the kuffaar and make friends with them.

                        And Allaah knows best.
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                        • #42
                          Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                          ok so what is the definition of taking a non-muslim as a friend,

                          how would you define a friend?

                          "How often we cry over Fate, but abundant good lies just behind it. O soul, it is goodness, even if it arrives after a while."




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                          • #43
                            Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                            Originally posted by ♥Hafsah♥ View Post
                            ok so what is the definition of taking a non-muslim as a friend,

                            how would you define a friend?
                            People say if muslims are not allowed to take non muslim as friends. then how should you convert them to Islam?

                            There are many ways. We can hide our faith and preach to them, what we can do is lie by saying we can be friends, this is called taqqiya.

                            or allah can guide them to Islam. Allah says he guides who he pleases, and misguides who he pelases. Allah says that he has blinded some people.These ppl can not ever become muslim or understanding islam. Allah chooses who to misguide.

                            Muslims are allowed to treat non muslims kindly (Quran 60:8), and that wud NOT be taking them as friends. We are allowed to do that. However, just because allah says we are allowed to treat them kindly.Doesnt mean we shud go out of our way to do this, it is not compulsory. does not mean we should. The verse about kindess was reavealed in the context of Abu Bakr's (RA) daughter and wife. His daughter(who was muslim) did not let her mother (who was disbeliever) enter the house. So allah revealed this verse. Some wud say, muslims are only allowed to treat disbelieving mothers kindly. But in Islam gods word is final.

                            http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=60&tid=53486
                            However, the above verse of the Quran may be canclled and may not apply, since it is old. Since many others vereses which reject friendship were revealed after it. This is called naskh. For more info on cancelling of Quran, go here.

                            http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...uld-not-follow

                            Allah allows us to take non muslims as friends only in the condition of protecting ourselves

                            Allah forbids taking disbelievers as friends, unless in danger (see below)

                            "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security."
                            (3:28)


                            meaning according to tafsir;
                            Let not the believers take the disbelievers as friends instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way, unless you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself, and to Allah is the final return.

                            http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=8024

                            http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=8052

                            The fact that allah has put a condition on taking non muslims as friends shows how much we should avoid taking them as friends. Muslims who take non muslims as friends are going to the extreme. Allah only allows taking them as friends for security
                            Last edited by cloud360; 11-02-10, 05:32 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                              :jkk: but that didnt really answer my question,

                              are you saying we shouldnt talk to them at all and completely ignore them?

                              or do we talk to them but not exchange phone numbers?

                              or what??

                              what is considered a friendship?
                              Last edited by Foulana; 11-02-10, 05:36 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Being friends with the kuffar

                                Islam says you are of the religion of the company you keep, so its obvious not to stay close friends with them, and if there is an intention of preaching then it is wise to be objective rather than spend excessive time with people who reject our primary identification- being a muslim.

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