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    Which is the Most Powerful Muslim Nation?

    Salaams

    not that it matters considering most of the 52 Muslim Nations dont rule by Islam but out of intrest which the most powerful Muslim Nation? In terms of Military, Intelligence, Economy, or Influence etc ?
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    Note:

    None of the Muslim Nations can take on the mountain task of Uniting the Ummah on their own.

    The best way to think of the Ummah is to forget the poison of Nationalism and think of the Ummah as whole Land-Mass geographically.

    Example USA: When the 51 states of USA are united they rule the World but if USA was to become 51 different states with puppet monarchs and tyrant rulers their glory would quickly crumble.

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    #2
    protip: the US only has 50 states ;)
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      #3
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      A logical based answer would be Turkey by a mile, being a member of Nato, etc. But the rhetorical question in my mind would be on whether any nation at the present can be referred to as 'islamic'.
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        #4
        well i guess Pakistan then, since it does have nukes and all :badguy:
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          #5
          Economy:

          Do you know which country has the highest share of exports as a percentage of its economy — and thus leads the Muslim world as a trading nation? A. Saudi Arabia
          B. Egypt
          C. Malaysia
          D. Indonesia
          The Muslim population accounts for 14% of the world total. Yet, annual exports of the 31 predominantly Muslim nations amount to a relatively meager $300 billion — or just 5.4% of the world total.
          A. Saudi Arabia

          Incorrect. Even though Saudi Arabia is home to 20% of the world's known oil reserves, the country produces little else. Its oil sales total about $73 billion.


          That means that the value of Saudi Arabia's exports are equal to just 40% of the size of its economy — less than half the export-to-GDP ratio recorded by the leading trading nation of the Muslim world.




          B. Egypt

          Incorrect. Egypt's economy continues to perform poorly, with low trade levels being one of the problems. In fact, Egypt does not have much to trade aside from tourism services.


          Significantly, over one-third of the Egyptian workforce works for the government! Economic stagnation is reflected by the fact that in the 1950s, Egypt and South Korea had matching per capita incomes. By 2002, Egypt had fallen behind — with per capita income equal to only one-fifth that of South Korea.




          C. Malaysia

          Correct. Malaysia has an export-to-GDP ratio of 105%. That is more than double the ratios of such oil-rich nations as Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. In fact, with $75 billion in exports, Malaysia accounts for 25% of the total exports of the Muslim world — with only 1% of the total Muslim population in the world.


          Even more impressive are the country's main exports — consumer electronics and computers — which are expected to be the growth items of the 21st century.




          D. Indonesia

          Incorrect. Although Indonesia, with a population of 228 million Muslims, is the most populous country in the Muslim world, it does not lead the group in its export ratio. In fact, the country's total exports of around $65 billion make up only 10% of GDP — less than one-tenth the export-to-GDP ratio of nearby Malaysia.
          http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/St...x?StoryId=2445
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            Who said it?..................

            ______________has said Islamic countries will remain backward unless they concentrate more on scientific and technological development.

            Muslim nations are internally involved in fratricidal conflicts and perceived by the outside world as terrorists with little attention being given on their uplift, he said.
            ___________said the time had come for Islamic nations to take part in collective self-criticism.

            Once such an assessment is made, it would not be difficult to realise that the entire Islamic world was far behind the developed world, he argued.

            'The most unhealthy'

            The Muslim Ummah, or the Islamic world, he said was presently living in darkness.

            "Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates.

            _______then made a comparison of the economic growth in Islamic countries with some developed countries.

            While the collective Gross National Product of the all Muslim countries stands at $1,200bn, that of Germany alone is $2,500bn and that of Japan $5,500bn.

            He said one of the main reasons for this disparity was that none of the Muslim countries had ever paid any attention to educational and scientific development.

            He asked the countries participating in the conference to concentrate on scientific and technological development in order to compete with the developed world.

            The real jihad

            The xxxxxxxxx leader suggested the setting up of a multi-billion dollar fund for such a purpose.

            Beside this, he said, there was a need for creating centres of excellence in the field of science and technology.

            He also called for the creation of scholarships for young scientists to seek knowledge from universities in developed countries.

            ______________ described it as the real jihad, or holy war.

            Unless this was done, the Islamic world and Muslims would always be perceived as backward, illiterate - those who only indulge in extremism and violence.
            Link Decide for yourself if you agree with the above or not before looking at the sorce
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              #7
              Saudia Arabia which used and uses its oil wealth to spread Wahhabism to the world. Its influence on all Muslims is to have dragged them into a War of competing views of progress, on the World is to provide the tinder for a World War, and on the West to increase the study of Islam.

              Turkey is a secular nation, a member of NATO, and up until recently, a strong ally of the US--in short a Western state.

              Pakistan will never have a chance to use more than one nuclear weapon, is more inclined to use surrogates, and is on its way to becoming a secular state.

              The attack on the US of 9/11/01 (performed by 15 Saudis and 4 others) was the most profound military attack since Pearl Harbor and has produced evidence of how hollow Muslim states are, how quickly they can be defeated, and how a regime can be removed without killing a lot of the people.

              Regretably, the people, whether Sunni or Shia, have proven that they are more interested in killing each other and in resisting anything that hinders that impulse.

              The new paradigm is a world with much more respectful Muslim states who recognize they must be "nice." And the US and UK are now the second largest exporters of oil.
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                #8
                Allah help those who help themselves

                Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

                Assalam-o-Alakum

                The Question should be Like that " Which is most Powerful State among Muslim Nations"?

                My answer is simple that we cannot find every indicator of Being most powerful in any muslim nation. Infact all of the muslims nations are mess-up. But when we try hard to find anyone, then my answer should be PAKISTAN.

                Reasons Better Millitary infrastructure, better intelligence, had all resources from rivers, mountains, agriculture, minerals, harbours etc. Most fortunate that it has small minority of non-muslims, and even had produced Noble prize winner scientist. Pakistan have strong potential in exports as well human resource and better education system.

                The only problem is its dependence on Foreign loans which is due inability to get rid of RIBA from our economic system and in-consistancy in political system.
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                  #9
                  I was including Israel.

                  Originally posted by Evil American
                  protip: the US only has 50 states ;)
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                    #10
                    Re: Allah help those who help themselves

                    I think for once i *fully* agree with you bro mtsmallick

                    Originally posted by mtsmallick
                    Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

                    Assalam-o-Alakum

                    The Question should be Like that " Which is most Powerful State among Muslim Nations"?

                    My answer is simple that we cannot find every indicator of Being most powerful in any muslim nation. Infact all of the muslims nations are mess-up. But when we try hard to find anyone, then my answer should be PAKISTAN.

                    Reasons Better Millitary infrastructure, better intelligence, had all resources from rivers, mountains, agriculture, minerals, harbours etc. Most fortunate that it has small minority of non-muslims, and even had produced Noble prize winner scientist. Pakistan have strong potential in exports as well human resource and better education system.

                    The only problem is its dependence on Foreign loans which is due inability to get rid of RIBA from our economic system and in-consistancy in political system.
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                      Re: Who said it?..................

                      Now there is some wisdom in Musharaffs words (although Mtsmallick will disagree).

                      Lets face it: Muslims ruled the world for 1000 Years. During this time they produced the best scientists, generals, architects, they were the leaders of the Globe, their achievments unsurpassed - yes they had their ups and downs but they were a forward and progressive civilsation(s) -

                      The reasons for Muslim Dominance was because Muslims were the Most Technologically advanced, Best Educated and Wealthy from among all the Worlds Nations. Now we see we dont have enough wealth to feed our citizens that the whole GDP of our nations doesnt even match that of Germany!

                      Somewhere... we are going seriously wrong and it needs correcting.

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                      Now the Non-Muslims will come in and tell us we are going wrong because we are not secular or we stick to religion - well i politely but firmly disagree with them because if religion was the force holding us back from progress, glory and power then we could never have succeeded in Ruling the Wolrd as the Sole-Superpower for 1000 years - thats a whole Milenium where no other Nation could even stand up to us (not even Czarist Russia or conservative China) - and during this period we ruled with Religion (Islam) - so we Must have been doing something right then that we are not doing now.

                      This is a very important topic for the Ummah -

                      Before we do anything else we need to Know whats holding us back.
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                        #12
                        .The reasons for Muslim Dominance was because Muslims were because they were the Most Technologically advanced, Best Educated and Wealthy from among all the Nations of the World.
                        I disagree totally

                        The reason for muslim domainance was due entirely to their adherence to the laws of Allaah

                        We do not defeat our enemy through our great numbers
                        and or sophisticated ammunitions, we defeat them through
                        our obedience to Allâh and our enemies’ disobedience to
                        Him.

                        But when we disobey Allâh, we become like them in sins
                        and they will then defeat us.

                        'Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra)


                        “Verily, We will make victorious Our Messengers and those who believe (in the Oneness of Allâh) in this worldly life and on the Day when the witnesses will stand forth.” (Ghâfir 40:51)

                        “Verily, Allâh will help those who help His cause. Truly, Allâh is All-Strong, All-Mighty. Those who if We give them power in the land, they enjoin the performance of prayer, pay Zakâh, enjoin all that is good and forbid all that is evil. And with Allâh rests the end of all matters.” (Al-Hajj 22:40-41)


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                          #13
                          Just to stress that I dont say that weapons are useless, but they are useless without faith

                          Victory will come to the muslims, in ways we may not see, in ways that we may not understand

                          “And say: ‘Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Surely, falsehood is bound to vanish.” (Al-Isrâ 17:81)
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                            #14
                            Bis mi Allah, ir-rahman ir-raheem,
                            I agree with Consider. If we were to go by Secular measurements, then I would plumb for Malaysia over Pakistan, though they are fairly evenly balanced other due to Pakistans Military development. As for a Pious nation - I cannot see one. As soon as one appears, that will naturally be the most powerful because Allah would give it victory over those who would like to tear it down.
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                              #15
                              i woulda said pakistan because of its nukes, but i think egypt is in fact stronger. sometimes tonnage of destructive power doesnt tell the whole story. stability has to carry some weight. and i think egypt will be around longer to prove that.
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