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  • #31
    Again.....

    Originally posted by AslanShamil1915 View Post
    Some people here are pros at that, dw we "devaints" did understand what you said, sometimes the "poius angels" of this forum dont.
    So you're a deviant by your own admission? Thats good to note- I'll make reference of that for future use.

    You being a deviant should note that its a deviant belief to think of us as Malaikah for we are not.
    Originally posted by NeverGoodEnough View Post
    Let's not worry about what things imply rather what they actually mean.

    Thank you.
    Lets worry about what things mean indeed- 'can' has the meaning of permissibility, as described before "Can I eat this turtle?" and one replies in the affirmitive of "Yes you can".

    No Thank You.
    Originally posted by NeverGoodEnough View Post
    I have not referred to any sister in particular. Only Allah knows what is their hearts and the hearts of the brothers also.
    I never said you did.
    Originally posted by NeverGoodEnough View Post
    Well if you include yourself in that as one I think is worse than Kuffar then please do not as that is not my opinion of you however it sounded.
    In the same way it sounded if as though you were stating the act was permissible.

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    • #32
      Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

      Originally posted by .: Anna :. View Post
      okay...
      lol just saw ur signature :p
      erm anyway, i do understand ur post what ur saying yeah, but i think its better not to say like "u can" altho u did not mean its permissable.
      if we want to forbid evil shudnt we do it in clear and definite terms, not to leave ne doubt whatsoever. anyway... nevermind, we all agree on the issue itself :\
      OMG, he isnt leaving doubts, you know what he said, why you dragging it on.

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      • #33
        Re: Again.....

        Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
        So you're a deviant by your own admission? Thats good to note- I'll make reference of that for future use.

        You being a deviant should note that its a deviant belief to think of us as Malaikah for we are not.
        Oh look we got another one here, i tell you what, id be a bit more open with if i hadnt received an infraction last time for being "to open".

        You know theres a two case scenario, either some of you really lack understanding and reason in English, and some sense of humour.

        Or some of you really try to pick out the "wrongs" of others, there was nothing wrong with what NGE said, i presume you have enough English if you understand my sentence before, leaves us into question your sincerities and why you lot never try to think deeper about what another Muslim or person has said.

        Before like he said, almost labelling them a bad Muslim or even kafir in some cases.

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        • #34
          Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

          Originally posted by .: Anna :. View Post
          okay...
          lol just saw ur signature :p
          erm anyway, i do understand ur post what ur saying yeah, but i think its better not to say like "u can" altho u did not mean its permissable.
          if we want to forbid evil shudnt we do it in clear and definite terms, not to leave ne doubt whatsoever. anyway... nevermind, we all agree on the issue itself :\
          My dear sister I did say in that same sentence that "you will be answerable to Allah"!

          Its Allah's judgement and the moral code he has set for us that matters not the ones of our own.

          I am not here to listen to people's opinions of what's right and wrong only to learn more about Allah's commandments.

          Its ok though sis. As you can tell my by my sig I have been on the receiving end of this sort of thing before and I have seen so many members incur the same treatment that's why I made that sig. lol

          We should be the protector and helpers of each other as we are all part of the same Ummah Alhamdulillah!!!
          Allah will ask on the Day of Judgment: (Muslim)

          "Zendagi Migzara..."

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          • #35
            Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

            :salams

            Originally posted by Joha View Post
            I think his question isn't a personal one - but a legal one - does marriage imply absolute consent at all times.

            I think in most legal systems it doesn't. Doesn't sound right to me either - why should marriage automatically mean consent.
            Yes, I thought it was a legal one also, because there have been cases where this has happened. And though it's not very interesting, as there is a simple unanimous decision prohibiting such evil actions, cases have still occurred and it makes one wonder just what others think. That is, even if the answers may be very clear.

            Originally posted by muslim_sis View Post
            brother ur statement is wrong...if someone is asking islamically is it allowed for such and such , you dont answer saying 'u can do it but ull be questioned on judgement day' ... you answer on the basis of quran and hadith , what islam says about it.

            If someone asks 'is it ok for me not to pray' , u dont answer saying 'u can miss ur prayers but ul have to answer on judgment day' , youd say something like 'it is compulsory for a mu'min to perform salah and the salah is what distinguishes the believer from the non believer' !!
            I think you totally misunderstood what the NVG was saying. (Which I'm glad has been made apparent now).

            Originally posted by saladin1970 View Post
            My understanding is that he can't . However if her refusal has no legitimate basis, and it angers her husband then she is answerable in the hearafter.

            If it continues then most scholars say she should be divorced


            http://www.islamic-sharia.org/marria...-rights-2.html
            • Marriage in Islam is intended to protect the chastity of men and women alike, therefore it is the woman's duty to respond to her husband's requests for conjugal relations. She should not give silly excuses and try to avoid it.
            • The prophet said "if a man calls his wife to his bed, let her respond, even if she is riding her camel (i-e very busy)." Reported by Al-Bazzar
            • The prophet said "if a man calls his wife, then let her come, even if she is busy at the oven". Reported by Tirmidhi
            • Narrated by Jaabir the prophet said "if anyone of you is attracted to a woman, let him to go his wife and have intercourse with her, for that will calm him down" reported by Muslim
            • Narrated by Abdullah the prophet said, "there are three people whose prayers will not be accepted, neither their good works:
            • A disobedient slave until he returns to his masters and puts his hand in theirs
            • A woman whose husband is angry with her, until he is pleased with her again
            • And the drunkard until he becomes sober" reported by Ibn Hibban
            • The warning given to women whose husband is angry with her reaches such an extent that it would shake the conscience of every righteous wife who has faith in Allah and the last day. She is told that her prayer and good deeds will not be accepted, until her husband is pleased with her again.
            I think the thread starter should refer to this post for the Islamic perspective.

            :jkk:.

            Considering this issue from a purely simple view, when someone loves you and you love them back, you don't do something to hurt them.
            Ya Muqallib al-Quloob, thabbit qalbi 'alaa Deenik
            O' Converter of Hearts, make my heart steadfast upon Thy Way
            We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.

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            • #36
              Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

              Salaams,

              You brothers and sisters are having a silly argument!

              Reminder:


              "I guarantee a house in Paradise for whoever leaves an argument, even if he was right, and a house in the middle of Paradise for whoever leaves lies, even if he was joking, and a house at the top of Paradise for whoever who has good manners." (Reported by Abu Dawood.)

              Hadith, Fiqh and Tafsir Scholarship
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              • #37
                Re: Again.....

                Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                Lets worry about what things mean indeed- 'can' has the meaning of permissibility, as described before "Can I eat this turtle?" and one replies in the affirmitive of "Yes you can".
                Brother your grasp of English is deficient.

                Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                In the same way it sounded if as though you were stating the act was permissible.
                Try reading to the end of the sentence next time before worrying about how something sounds.

                May Allah forgive us. Ameen.
                Allah will ask on the Day of Judgment: (Muslim)

                "Zendagi Migzara..."

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                • #38
                  Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

                  Originally posted by AslanShamil1915 View Post
                  OMG, he isnt leaving doubts, you know what he said, why you dragging it on.
                  im not dragging it on i just closed it....
                  all i am saying, is when u do amr bil ma3roof w nahy 3an il munkar, u have to be CLEAR as possible. not just him but anyone...
                  when anyone asks a sheikh about an act which isnt permissable, they dont say "you can do it, but you will answer for it in qiyamah" you know because mankind is weak, and it is the nature of mankind also to look in the short term rather than the long term, thats why we commit sins anyway right.. its better to give a firm no. that's all... im not accusing the brother of anything :s
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                  • #39
                    Great.....

                    Originally posted by AslanShamil1915 View Post
                    OMG, he isnt leaving doubts, you know what he said, why you dragging it on.
                    A self-confessed deviant posting about doubts. Makes sense.
                    Originally posted by AslanShamil1915 View Post
                    Oh look we got another one here, i tell you what, id be a bit more open with if i hadnt received an infraction last time for being "to open".
                    So the deviants on Ummah.com are infracted for being 'too open'? Alhamdulillah thats good, the less deviancy the better.

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                    • #40
                      Khair.....

                      Originally posted by NeverGoodEnough View Post
                      Brother your grasp of English is deficient.
                      Deficiently efficient without being deviant, thus sufficient.
                      Originally posted by NeverGoodEnough View Post
                      Try reading to the end of the sentence next time before worrying about how something sounds.

                      May Allah forgive us. Ameen.
                      I have.

                      Ameen.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Great.....

                        Originally posted by Abu Hurairah View Post
                        A self-confessed deviant posting about doubts. Makes sense.

                        So the deviants on Ummah.com are infracted for being 'too open'? Alhamdulillah thats good, the less deviancy the better.
                        There you go.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

                          Originally posted by AbuHaneefah View Post
                          Salaams,

                          You brothers and sisters are having a silly argument!

                          Reminder:


                          "I guarantee a house in Paradise for whoever leaves an argument, even if he was right, and a house in the middle of Paradise for whoever leaves lies, even if he was joking, and a house at the top of Paradise for whoever who has good manners." (Reported by Abu Dawood.)

                          :wswrwb:

                          :jkk: amin
                          "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                          The Prophet :saw: said:

                          "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                          muslim

                          Narrated 'Abdullah:

                          The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                          "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                          By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                          [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                          • #43
                            Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

                            Originally posted by Safiya View Post
                            Considering this issue from a purely simple view, when someone loves you and you love them back, you don't do something to hurt them.
                            :up:

                            Your wife could be horrible to you, not make you any dinner, insult your mother, and then refuse to make love to you because she would rather watch Eastenders or some other tosh on the telly and even say "my back really hurts I can't move!" when only two seconds ago she was zipping about the house like a fly..

                            AND STILL HER HUSBAND MAY NOT FORCE HIMSELF ON HER TO SATISFY HIS URGES.

                            There is no excuse or place for rape in Islam.
                            Allah will ask on the Day of Judgment: (Muslim)

                            "Zendagi Migzara..."

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                            • #44
                              Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

                              Its ok people...

                              I love Abu Hurairah, he is a great brother (May Allah reward him) and maybe we will be best friends one day (Inshallah)!!!

                              Gimme a hug, ya big lug!!

                              :there:
                              Allah will ask on the Day of Judgment: (Muslim)

                              "Zendagi Migzara..."

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                              • #45
                                Re: Can You Rape Your Own Wife?

                                Originally posted by .: Anna :. View Post
                                im not dragging it on i just closed it....
                                all i am saying, is when u do amr bil ma3roof w nahy 3an il munkar, u have to be CLEAR as possible. not just him but anyone...
                                when anyone asks a sheikh about an act which isnt permissable, they dont say "you can do it, but you will answer for it in qiyamah" you know because mankind is weak, and it is the nature of mankind also to look in the short term rather than the long term, thats why we commit sins anyway right.. its better to give a firm no. that's all... im not accusing the brother of anything :s
                                agreed , this is all i was trying to say. the thread isnt about the english language, its about an issue and the islamic ruling on it.
                                Abu Huraira (ra) narrated that the messenger of Allah (saw) said 'Beware of suspicion, for suspicion is the worst of false tales; and do not look at the faults of others, and do not indulge in spying on one another..do not be jealous of one another and do not hate one another, O Allah's worshippers! Be brothers' (Sahih Bukhari)

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