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    Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

    Asalamualikum everyone, this is my first of many posts inshallah on this forum.

    Lately I have been very confused regarding this whole matter of various sects in islam and every sect believing they are the correct one. I very recently came across this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVfTENzcKaU

    In my opinion is it short and to the point and clears up any confusion people have over sects.

    What are other peoples opinion on this? I do not mean to offend anyone from any sect, but having viewed this video do you think its better to simply class yourself as a Muslim, as oppose to sunni muslim, shia etc.

    Thanks guys.
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    #2
    Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

    He is correct.

    Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at that time there was no sects, only MUSLIM.

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      #3
      Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

      Islam is one indeed but sects are a reality .

      Because if someone asks you are u muslim , you will say off course and Sunni cause there is he might think u are Shia .

      So that alone means there are two sects ( major ones) .

      Then the Sunnis themselves have sects within excluding ( Hanafi, Maliki, Shafie , Hanbali ( they are school's of thought not sects ) .

      Deobandi - Salafi - Sufi - tableeghi - Barelwi ....................

      and they themselves have Sub sects sorry to say : same applies to shia < so sects in islam is a reality even if we all call ourselves muslim .

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        #4
        Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

        It is definitely a reality. Sects have become a division among us, but we can still co exist within those sects and mantain brotherhood.
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          #5
          Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

          Bismillah,

          Sunni and Shi'a are the "branches" not "sects" of Islam.

          Sunni means following the sunnah of Muhammad (S), so not really a big deal.

          There's no such thing as wahabi.

          Hanafi is a school of thought/madhab that helps us understand rulings better and is in no way a sect.


          When Muslims used the word sect, from my understanding, they are deviant.

          I.e. Bahais, Ismailis, Ahmaddiyahs, Nation of Islam, etc.

          Everything else is very different.

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            #6
            Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

            Ahmadis/ Qadianis are not sects, they're kuffar.
            "Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes"

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              #7
              Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

              Yes it is a reality that there are many sects in Islaam with different sets of belief, etc. However, the people belonging to these sects are still Muslims and it is not permissible to make takfeer on any of these sects.

              The hadith that is cited can be found in Sahih at-Tirmidhi, and also in other books of Sunan and the Musnad of Imam Ahmad. The Prophet peace be upon him said:

              "My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one."

              The people asked him: "And which one will that be?"

              He replied: "The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon right now."

              The hadith implies that the 72 deviant sects are still within the fold of Islaam and hence the adherants to these scts are Muslims.

              The point of argument, debate and dispute is which is the saved sect? It is clear that the saved sect is the one that is upon the 'aqeedah (Creed) and manhaj (methodology) of the Prophet peace be upon him and his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them all), that is, the followers of the Salaf us-Salih.

              And we have so many Muslims saying foolish things based on their ignorance and arroagance! May Allaah guide us all to the path of the Salaf us-Salih. Ameen.

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                #8
                Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                Originally posted by samiu View Post
                The point of argument, debate and dispute is which is the saved sect? It is clear that the saved sect is the one that is upon the 'aqeedah (Creed) and manhaj (methodology) of the Prophet peace be upon him and his Companions (may Allaah be pleased with them all), that is, the followers of the Salaf us-Salih.

                And we have so many Muslims saying foolish things based on their ignorance and arroagance! May Allaah guide us all to the path of the Salaf us-Salih. Ameen.
                Can you tell me about Salaf us-Salih, please?

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                  #9
                  Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                  Originally posted by RashidD View Post
                  Ahmadis/ Qadianis are not sects, they're kuffar.
                  Be very careful before uttering even a word. Be very careful before you write even a single word. Instead of blaming others, lets spend some of our time checking our state of belief with how the characters of a Muslim should be by reading Qur'an and also examples of those who followed this religion before. Then decide whether we are not mistakenly one of the kuffar or hypocrites.
                  Last edited by Trouper; 20-08-09, 02:32 AM.

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                    #10
                    Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                    Originally posted by Trouper View Post
                    Be very careful before uttering even a word. Be very careful before you write even a single word. Instead of blaming others, lets spend some of our time checking our state of belief with how the characters of a Muslim should be by reading Qur'an and also examples of those who followed this religion before. Then decide whether we are not mistakenly one of the kuffar or hypocrites.
                    oh the qadiyanis are definetly kuffar.

                    Sects are a reality and not to be ignored. But whihc one is the correct one? there has to be ONE. Since the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) said "one".

                    acording to Imam Ghazali and other its the ahle sunnah wal jamah:

                    Imam Ghazzali (radi Allahu anhu) writes: "The Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat is the successful Firqah (group) and it is this Firqa which weighs or determines its thoughts and its according to the scales of the Holy Quran". (Mujarribaate Imam Ghazal)

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                      #11
                      Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                      :wswrwb:

                      I agree with Zakir Naik.

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                        #12
                        Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                        Zakir Naik should stick to what he knows rather than acting the scholar.
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                          #13
                          Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                          Med, what did he say that was wrong?

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                            #14
                            Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                            1. Misleading information about the 4 Mujtahid Imams and their saying about throwing the fatwah on the wall.

                            2. Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'ee, Hambali = sects? since when?

                            3. Zakir Naik quotes Quran and Ahadeeth - but what he is saying is his understanding, not necessarily what ALLAH and His Rasul command. If we took his meaning to be true that he only speaks what ALLAH and His Rasul :saw: are telling us then that necessarily makes one who disagrees with what he says a kafir. Because rejecting what ALLAH and His Rasul :saw: say is kufr. Its misleading for people to present the Quran and Ahadeeth is this simplistic manner.
                            Rajab is a month of cultivation, Shaban is month of irrigating the fields, and the month of Ramadhan is a month of reaping and harvesting.”

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                              #15
                              Re: Dr Zakir Naik response to confusion over sects; Wahabi, Sunni, Hanafi, Shia etc.

                              Originally posted by Medievalist View Post
                              1. Misleading information about the 4 Mujtahid Imams and their saying about throwing the fatwah on the wall.

                              2. Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'ee, Hambali = sects? since when?

                              3. Zakir Naik quotes Quran and Ahadeeth - but what he is saying is his understanding, not necessarily what ALLAH and His Rasul command. If we took his meaning to be true that he only speaks what ALLAH and His Rasul :saw: are telling us then that necessarily makes one who disagrees with what he says a kafir. Because rejecting what ALLAH and His Rasul :saw: say is kufr. Its misleading for people to present the Quran and Ahadeeth is this simplistic manner.
                              1. Where did he mislead?
                              2. I don't think he said they were sects. His answer was more about labels, and sticking to the labels as mentioned in the Qur'aan and Sunnah.
                              3. Not sure what you mean by this one.

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