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  • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

    The way i see it, people who find excuses and refuse to acknowledge that a group of ulama are trying their utmost best to provide halal meat without any doubt, are just looking for the easy way out.
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    • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

      Originally posted by KeeKee View Post
      The way i see it, people who find excuses and refuse to acknowledge that a group of ulama are trying their utmost best to provide halal meat without any doubt, are just looking for the easy way out.
      that's pretty much what it boils down to
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      • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

        Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
        yep, you got it
        so let me get this right... HFA and other authorities that allow stunning, check the pulses of the chickens bearing in mind a machine slaughters over 100 chickens per minute.?

        unlikely.
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        • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

          Originally posted by KeeKee View Post
          The way i see it, people who find excuses and refuse to acknowledge that a group of ulama are trying their utmost best to provide halal meat without any doubt, are just looking for the easy way out.
          yup, I also find that is the case with smokers as well who favour the opinion that smoking is makruh rather than haram.
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          • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

            Originally posted by seven View Post
            so let me get this right... HFA and other authorities that allow stunning, check the pulses of the chickens bearing in mind a machine slaughters over 100 chickens per minute.?

            AND if they are going to go ahead and check every single chicken indivisually why bother stunning - might as well hand slaughter . . ! :wacko:

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            • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

              Originally posted by sapphire_blue View Post
              AND if they are going to go ahead and check every single chicken indivisually why bother stunning - might as well hand slaughter . . ! :wacko:
              Millions of lambs out of New zeeland and Australia go through the same process.
              They have mechanisms

              But then again All the scholars, governments and HFA might be lying

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              • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                Millions of lambs out of New zeeland and Australia go through the same process.
                They have mechanisms

                But then again All the scholars, governments and HFA might be lying
                Which Ulema back HFA and which Muslim groups?

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                • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                  Originally posted by cyber_abdullah View Post
                  yup, I also find that is the case with smokers as well who favour the opinion that smoking is makruh rather than haram.
                  Yup the islamic fiqh council in 1987, made the fatawa allowing stunning so that they could have KFC.

                  Lol, if only you knew how silly you sound

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                  • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                    Originally posted by ahaneefah View Post
                    Which Ulema back HFA and which Muslim groups?
                    Every Muslim Nation has backed Stunning.
                    In particular i have given rulings from Malaysia, and the Islamic Fiqh Council in Saudi Arabia, who gave a comprehensive ruling in 1987, after convening to specifically rule on this issue.

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                    • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                      Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                      Every Muslim Nation has backed Stunning.
                      In particular i have given rulings from Malaysia, and the Islamic Fiqh Council in Saudi Arabia, who gave a comprehensive ruling in 1987, after convening to specifically rule on this issue.
                      I am asking which Ulema and Muslim organisations (UK) support and endorce HFA?

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                      • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                        Originally posted by ahaneefah View Post
                        I am asking which Ulema and Muslim organisations (UK) support and endorce HFA?

                        Perhaps you can try http://www.islamic-sharia.org And ask for a ruling.

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                        • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                          Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                          Yup the islamic fiqh council in 1987, made the fatawa allowing stunning so that they could have KFC.

                          Lol, if only you knew how silly you sound
                          stop being stupid. i was referring to a specific psychology which tends to favour the most advantageous fatwas rather than the truthful fatwas, ie, people going for the easiest option rather than the correct option, which keekee was referring to.

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                          • Re: 'Halal' food outlets . . . HFA/HMC/Halal

                            AsalaamzWW - HFA have a few scholars they claim the have onboard. One a 'Mufti' from the Wembley area and other 2 i cant remember (1 was or is a Shia) thats what i recall Br Masood Khwaja Chair of HFA saying on the "Halal Debate - Behind Closed Doors" program 2 weeks back..

                            Whos saying stunning is haraam???
                            Last edited by deywalk3r; 12-05-09, 08:54 PM.

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                            • Re: 'Halal' food outlets . . . HFA/HMC/Halal

                              Originally posted by deywalk3r View Post

                              Whos saying stunning is haraam???

                              What is not allowed is the animal should not die as a direct result of the stunning. If after shocking you then go and slaughter it yourself then this is ok.


                              Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al‑Maitah (the dead animals — cattle — beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering (that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah, or has been slaughtered for idols) and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns — and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal — unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death)”
                              [al-Maa'idah 5:3]

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                              Last edited by sapphire_blue; 12-05-09, 09:04 PM.

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                              • Re: 'Halal' food outlets . . . HFA/HMC/Halal

                                i simple way (well in my laymans view) to show if the chicken will die and to remove doubt would be say firstly do some research on different levels of stunning voltage to see if the chicken dies or not.

                                This can be done with say a large amount of chickens (say least 100 or lets say a large amount 1000 or why not 10,000 if the moneys there) each one being stunned in the same manner with the same voltage and then checked straight after the stunning if they are alive and for how long for. If all are alive even after 10mins wont that make it ok to use that level of stunning in that manner and at the same time have trained monitors on sight (every day) who are trained to indentify the signs of a dead chicken or if the voltage is too high??

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