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  • #91
    Re: Email from HFA about KFC

    Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
    i'll stick to HMA

    They have categorically stated the stunning is controlled. And therefore no chance of it being carrion.

    However the mafia at HMC , refuse to authorize anyone (without a fee) and especially stunned meat.

    Well done HMA. Not sure i will be eating at any HMC approved places. It is bordering on Kuffar to state that controlled stunning is haram. The prophet saws deemed those who made that which is halal, haram as committing shirk.
    whats hma? i thought its hfa or hmc?
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    • #92
      Re: Email from HFA about KFC

      Originally posted by .: Anna :. View Post
      whats hma? i thought its hfa or hmc?
      I believe the passion overwhlemed Pheonix, the expression often coined at such a blunder would be 'Doh!' as in Homer Simpson.

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      • #93
        Re: Email from HFA about KFC

        Originally posted by seven View Post
        • F.A.W.C. reports more than 1/3 chickens die prior to slaughter and are labelled Halal.
        If 1/3 of chickens die prior to slaughter... does that mean that the HFA make sure these checkens are discarded? i very much doubt an outlet like KFC would discard 1/3 of their chickens!
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        • #94
          Re: Email from HFA about KFC

          Originally posted by seven View Post
          get your facts rights.

          HMC have never said stunning is haraam.

          just because they do not approved stunned meat, does not mean they are saying it's haraam.

          here's some facts about stunning:

          • F.A.W.C. reports more than 1/3 chickens die prior to slaughter and are labelled Halal.
          • Stunning prevents the drainage of entire blood resulting in it being retained.
          • Retained blood causes germs and bacteria.
          • Stunning deprives animals from the benefits of tasmiyah (religious blessing) due to being unconscious.
          • Stunning is inhumane to animals and causes unnecessary suffering.
          • The British Law allows the Muslim to carry out religious slaughter without stunning

          enjoy your stunned meat :up:
          What a load of rubbish.
          How on earth does the blood not drain if you are unconcious.
          Animals and People receive the blessing of Tasmiyah whether they are uncouncious or not. Or does saying the three Quls over you child when they are asleep , not a clear example of the benefits of reciting islamic instructions/ quranic verses when they are uncouncious.
          Stunning is probably preferable to the inhumane way animals are slaughtered today whilst they are alive. Hung upside down with the knife in full view, just after they witnessed their friend getting slaughtered.

          I will most certainly enjoy my stunned Halal KFC, just as around 100 muslims throughout Arabia do.

          You can enjoy your unstunned meat courtesy of the mafiosa at HMC.

          But before you do, why does HMC not approve stunned meat?

          If it is because it is inhumane, why do they approve the millions of chickens brought up in battery farms and pumped full of drugs.

          Is it because they consider it unlawful

          or is it because they are like the mafiosa of the halal food industry, trying to monopolize it for their fee?

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          • #95
            Re: Email from HFA about KFC

            100 muslims? is that it?

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            • #96
              Re: Email from HFA about KFC

              Pheonix... you're walking on a very dangerous line here

              you are accusing/slandering HMC of being mafioso who are motivated by money.

              it's a well known fact that HMC are a non-profit organisation, who only charge a fee to cover their costs.

              so either you bring some proof about your claims against HMC or you withdraw your comments.

              the reason why HMC meat is so popular is because of the demand for it... not because they are using underhanded tactics to muscle other halal certification authorities out.
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              • #97
                Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                Originally posted by seven View Post
                Pheonix... you're walking on a very dangerous line here

                you are accusing/slandering HMC of being mafioso who are motivated by money.

                it's a well known fact that HMC are a non-profit organisation, who only charge a fee to cover their costs.

                so either you bring some proof about your claims against HMC or you withdraw your comments.

                the reason why HMC meat is so popular is because of the demand for it... not because they are using underhanded tactics to muscle other halal certification authorities out.
                Yet their fee for some convenient reason does not cover Stunned Meat. Whereas with HFA it does.

                And as for non profit. Simple mafiosa tactics, get in cheap until you saturate the market, and then demand a mark up

                and as for my comments.
                The bit about mafiosa started with "or is it because", so there is no accusation/implication just a question, so there will be NO withdrawal of the post

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                • #98
                  Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                  Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                  What a load of rubbish.
                  How on earth does the blood not drain if you are unconcious.
                  Animals and People receive the blessing of Tasmiyah whether they are uncouncious or not. Or does saying the three Quls over you child when they are asleep , not a clear example of the benefits of reciting islamic instructions/ quranic verses when they are uncouncious.
                  Stunning is probably preferable to the inhumane way animals are slaughtered today whilst they are alive. Hung upside down with the knife in full view, just after they witnessed their friend getting slaughtered.

                  I will most certainly enjoy my stunned Halal KFC, just as around 100 muslims throughout Arabia do.

                  You can enjoy your unstunned meat courtesy of the mafiosa at HMC.

                  But before you do, why does HMC not approve stunned meat?

                  If it is because it is inhumane, why do they approve the millions of chickens brought up in battery farms and pumped full of drugs.

                  Is it because they consider it unlawful

                  or is it because they are like the mafiosa of the halal food industry, trying to monopolize it for their fee?
                  We should fear Allah (swt) before backbiting and Slandering our brothers who are incidentally backed by many Ulema on this issue.

                  Do you think that HFA do not charge for certification?

                  HMC charge a fee for the monitoring because the people who do the monitoring need to be paid a wage - how does this seem unfair to you?

                  Do you work for free, why do you expect others to do so?

                  Please explain your slander.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                    Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                    However the mafia at HMC , refuse to authorize anyone (without a fee) and especially stunned meat.
                    Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                    You can enjoy your unstunned meat courtesy of the mafiosa at HMC.
                    back peddling are we now?

                    you've clearly accused them of being mafioso.

                    i personally don't care whether or not you withdraw your comments. the reason why i'm advising you to withdraw your accusations is for your own sake.
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                    • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                      Originally posted by AbuHaneefah View Post
                      We should fear Allah (swt) before backbiting and Slandering our brothers who are incidentally backed by many Ulema on this issue.

                      Do you think that HFA do not charge for certification?

                      HMC charge a fee for the monitoring because the people who do the monitoring need to be paid a wage - how does this seem unfair to you?

                      Do you work for free, why do you expect others to do so?

                      Please explain your slander.

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                      HMC are refusing to authorize Stunned Meat with sufficient checks, yet this is a standard practice, backed up by Islamic Rulings, throughout the muslim world.

                      This to me is dishonest.

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                      • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                        Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                        HMC are refusing to authorize Stunned Meat with sufficient checks, yet this is a standard practice, backed up by Islamic Rulings, throughout the muslim world.

                        This to me is dishonest.
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                        • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                          Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                          HMC are refusing to authorize Stunned Meat with sufficient checks, yet this is a standard practice, backed up by Islamic Rulings, throughout the muslim world.

                          This to me is dishonest.

                          It seems to me that HMC are refusing to certify Stunned meat because they hold the opinion that stunning is not allowed like many Ulema including the one (from the Middle East I hasten to add) do.

                          Is it okay for them to hold this opinion or do they have to check with you first?
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                          • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                            According to the Farm Animal Welfare Council, 35% of chickens die prior to slaughter.

                            So is there any surprise that HMC refuse to authorise stunning?
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                            • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                              Originally posted by seven View Post
                              If 1/3 of chickens die prior to slaughter... does that mean that the HFA make sure these checkens are discarded? i very much doubt an outlet like KFC would discard 1/3 of their chickens!
                              good point. why do things have to be so dodgy?
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                              • Re: Email from HFA about KFC

                                Originally posted by PhoenixRising View Post
                                Stunning is probably preferable to the inhumane way animals are slaughtered today whilst they are alive. Hung upside down with the knife in full view, just after they witnessed their friend getting slaughtered.
                                I thought that one of the rules of slaughter, is that the animal should not see the knife?
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