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  • usman3
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
    Humans are apes. Fail.

    Human chromosome 2 fusion region.

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    Fail.

    Theories explain evidence. Fail again.
    You best hope your right.

    Otherwise it is definitely a very big Fail.

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  • lao tzu
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by usman3 View Post
    The same way some people assert that humanity is descended from apes ...
    Humans are apes. Fail.

    so far the only evidence we have seen of that is president George W.Bush.
    Human chromosome 2 fusion region.

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    Fail.

    Its called a theory.
    Theories explain evidence. Fail again.

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  • chewawa
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by usman3 View Post
    The same way some people assert that humanity is descended from apes, so far the only evidence we have seen of that is president George W.Bush.

    Its called a theory.
    So what facts does this theory of jinn cancellation explain?

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  • usman3
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by chewawa View Post
    You obviously don't think very much. He said that the Jinn waves could be cancelled out by quran waves. How does someone even come up with such a ridiculous assertion?
    The same way some people assert that humanity is descended from apes, so far the only evidence we have seen of that is president George W.Bush.

    Its called a theory.

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  • chewawa
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by usman3 View Post
    Well it would not make any sense if you have yet to grasp the fact that the Quran is a book which Muslims recite.
    You obviously don't think very much. He said that the Jinn waves could be cancelled out by quran waves. How does someone even come up with such a ridiculous assertion?

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  • Spiff
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by usman3 View Post
    Well it would not make any sense if you have yet to grasp the fact that the Quran is a book which Muslims recite.
    How would it make sense if, e.g., the jinns were trained to make no waves ?

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  • usman3
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by chewawa View Post
    That makes no sense.
    Well it would not make any sense if you have yet to grasp the fact that the Quran is a book which Muslims recite.

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  • lao tzu
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    Originally posted by chewawa View Post
    That makes no sense.
    Discussion threads begun on or near April 1 are the best part of the internet, IMHO.

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  • chewawa
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by hellothere View Post

    so, based on this, the jinn seems to be something that vibrates, like the wave-like motion of a snake. and since reciting Qur'aan amounts to creating sound waves, it's plausible that the Qur'aanic sound waves somehow negate the jinn's waves.

    and Allah knows best...
    That makes no sense.

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  • usman3
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by hellothere View Post
    we all know that recitation of Qur'aan can ward off the influence of jinn (in particular surahs nas and falaq and ayat al-kursi). i came across a plausible scientific explanation for this, all based on a description of the nature of jinn.

    the non-literal translations of surah 27, ayah 10. these are the most common translations:

    Yusuf Ali - "Now do thou throw thy rod!" But when he saw it moving (of its own accord)as if it had been a snake, he turned back in retreat, and retraced not his steps: "O Moses!" (it was said), "Fear not: truly, in My presence, those called as messengers have no fear,-

    Arberry Cast - down thy staff.' And when he saw it quivering like a serpent he turned about, retreating, and turned not back. 'Moses, fear not; surely the Envoys do not fear in My presence,

    Shakir - And cast down your staff. So when he saw it in motion as if it were a serpent, he turned back retreating and did not return: O Musa! fear not; surely the messengers shall not fear in My presence;

    Hilali/Khan - "And throw down your stick!" But when he saw it moving as if it were a snake, he turned in flight, and did not look back. (It was said): "O Moosa (Moses)! Fear not, verily! The Messengers fear not in front of Me.

    Malik - Throw down your staff." When he saw it moving like a snake, he turned back and fled without even looking back. "O Moses, do not be afraid," said Allah, "My Messenger need not be afraid in My presence,[

    Maulana Ali - And cast down thy rod. So when he saw it in motion as if it were a serpent, he turned back retreating and did not return. O Moses, fear not. Surely the messengers fear not in My presence --

    Qaribullah - Cast down your staff. ' And when he saw it writhing like a serpent, he turned about retreating, and did not turn back. 'Moses, do not fear, indeed the Messengers do not fear (when they are) with Me,

    George Sale - Cast down now thy rod. And when he saw it, that it moved, as though it had been a serpent, he retreated and fled, and returned not. And God said, O Moses, fear not; for my messengers are not disturbed with fear in my sight:

    JM Rodwell - Throw down now thy staff." And when he saw that it moved itself as though it were a serpent, he retreated backward and returned not. "O Moses, fear not; for the Sent Ones fear not in my presence,


    and now, the very literal translations:


    Literal - And throw/throw away your stick/cane, so when he saw it , it shakes/moves as if it is a Jinn he turned away giving his back, and he did not follow/succeed/track: "You Moses, do not fear, that I, the messengers do not fear at/by/near Me."

    Pickthal - And throw down thy staff! But when he saw it writhing as it were a demon, he turned to flee headlong; (but it was said unto him): O Moses! Fear not! the emissaries fear not in My presence,

    Free Minds - "And throw down your staff." So when he saw it vibrate as if it were a Jinn, he ran away and would not turn back. "O Moses, do not fear, for My messengers shall have no fear from Me."



    and, based on surah 7 ayah 107, moses' staff is described (literally) as a snake when he battles pharaoh's magicians:

    Literal - So he threw away/threw his stick/cane, so then it is (an) evident/clear snake.

    Yusuf Ali - Then (Moses) threw his rod, and behold! it was a serpent, plain (for all to see)!

    Pickthal - Then he flung down his staff and lo! it was a serpent manifest;


    so, based on this, the jinn seems to be something that vibrates, like the wave-like motion of a snake. and since reciting Qur'aan amounts to creating sound waves, it's plausible that the Qur'aanic sound waves somehow negate the jinn's waves.

    and Allah knows best...
    Interesting, but unless you can show the arabic word translates to be "Demon" not "Snake" then its speculation bro

    The people who say Jinn dont exist are very ignorant, not only of Science - because metaphysics is as old as mankind itself- and science has never claimed to know all the facts on everything. One day Science will be able to quantify and record the world of the Jinn, but until then the sheer fact that if you walk into any bookshop, you will find hundreds of books written about the Jinn, not by Muslims, but by the kuffar - your own people.

    While you may argue, and i would agree, that writing tons of books on a subject does not make it true, and a example may be UFO's and the many hoax's associated with them, but to totally rule out the possibility of something is ridicilous - especially when you cant show evidence that it is not true.

    Unicorns may exist somewhere in the universe, but Jinns definitely exist, and a average human being can - if he walks that evil path - learn the sick knowledge and communicate with them.

    Topics such as spirits, faith healing, demons, witchcraft, crystal power, occultism are not a joke, they are as old as Mankind! If you rule it out as mere superstition then sorry but the joke is on you, the sheer volume and the intricate depths and details of these subjects should convince you that the people that are its practitioners are deadly serious.

    You didn't think groups like the Freemasons were just a excuse for some gentlemen to come together for charitable work did you? Demons exist and you dont even have to be a Muslim or Catholic to realize this

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  • Irfan al Din
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    egad, that made me cringe. Why can't people accept their own faith... things like this are misleading pseudo-science at best. We can interpret the Qur'an to prove science but that isn't 'true' it's a product of our faith in it.

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  • Skilly
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    Ok that made me laugh....when will people stop.

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  • Riceball
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    All mankind generations, since the dawn of civilisation, 'thought' they are knowledgeable... They don't understand that their self-acclaimed knowledge is nothing but an illusion derived from pride. Nowadays, humans think they can do anything with their science…

    For the millionth you CANNOT use science to prove or disprove the existence of jin, angels and god. Science is merely a tool for us 'physical' creatures to understand and make use of the world.

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  • Skavau
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    Re: plausible scientific explanation of how reciting Quran combats the influence of j

    Originally posted by Mujaheedah View Post
    They do exist, prove they don't.
    Just because you cannot disprove something does not give reason to presume it is true. You equally cannot disprove the existence of Thor or Zeus. It does not mean they are reasonable to believe in. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

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  • Spiff
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    Originally posted by 777 View Post
    Jinn still exist.... :hidban: and so do angels.....and so does God.:love:
    Ok, I'll go as far as to admit that jinns, angels and God have exactly the same degree of existence (now, let's not go into useless details here)

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