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    RIYADH, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia executed on Friday an Egyptian man convicted of "sorcery", desecrating the Muslim holy book and adultery, the official news agency said.

    The Saudi Press Agency said Mustafa Ibrahim was put to death in Riyadh in a controversial case which has drawn criticism from rights activists.

    It said Ibrahim had been accused by another foreign resident of practicing magic in order to separate him from his wife and said evidence had been found in his home, including books on black magic, a candle with an incantation "to summon devils" and "foul-smelling herbs".

    "He confessed to adultery with a woman and desecrating the Koran by placing it in the bathroom," the agency said.

    Saudi media first reported the case in April, saying mosque worshippers had complained that a pharmacist in the northern desert town of Arar had placed copies of the Koran in washrooms. No accusation of adultery was mentioned at the time.

    Clerics of Saudi Arabia's austere form of Islam, known as Wahhabism, take accusations of sorcery seriously and recently held a conference in Riyadh on how to combat it. Clerics dominate the legal system, acting as judges.

    "This is a sad day for justice in Saudi Arabia. This execution is a clear indicator of the medieval character of the Saudi judicial system," said Ali al-Ahmed, a Washington-based rights activist of Saudi Arabia's Shi'ite Muslim minority.

    "This man was murdered in cold blood while the Saudi king is in Europe being touted as a reformer ... This man was sentenced to death without any explicit evidence to prove what was perceived as violation of the law," he told Reuters.

    Executions are usually carried out by public beheading with a sword for murder, rape, drug smuggling and armed robbery.

    Saudi authorities say they apply strict Islamic law which ensures full rights for Muslims and non-Muslims. Families of victims have the right to waive the death sentence and claim financial compensation instead.

    But in an apparent acknowledgement of problems, King Abdullah last month announced a reform of the court system which the state-run government Human Rights Commission said will include putting the penal code in writing.

    Friday's execution takes the total number of executions this year to well over 120, compared with a record of 192 recorded by Reuters for all of 1995.

    Hands Off Cain (www.handsoffcain.info), a Rome-based anti-death penalty group, said there were 119 executions in the first six months of 2007. Only around 38 people were executed in 2006.

    http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL02434180.html
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    Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

    Originally posted by abdulhakeem View Post
    RIYADH, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia executed on Friday an Egyptian man convicted of "sorcery", desecrating the Muslim holy book and adultery, the official news agency said.
    dang! homeboy was committing shirk and major sins. it was like he was trying to go to hell
    (Surah Az Zumar, (Chapter 39: Verse 53)

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      Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

      I bet they don't have overcrowded prisons in Arabia.

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        lol...such silly superstitions

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          Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

          What were they supposed to do? Let him roam free after doing all that?

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            Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

            He should know - Black Magic is one of the most evil things ever - and i am glad they got rid of him

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              Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

              So what was he actually murdered for? Was it adultery, or was it because some one found a few books and a candle in his home, and he had shown the 'audacity' to have placed the Qur'an in his bathroom?

              Non of these are morally substantial justifications for taking a person's life.

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                Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                dont intefere in Muslim business - this was in Saudi Arabia - a Muslim country and he should of obided by its Laws- its obvious you dont like it but tough luck its not your business....

                every Muslim knows the punishment for indulging in Black Magic and he should of known better....

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                  Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                  Originally posted by sis_niqabi
                  it was like he was trying to go to hell
                  I know right? and putting the Quran in Washrooms?:shock:

                  وَأَيُّوبَ إِذْ نَادَى رَبَّهُ أَنِّي مَسَّنِيَ الضُّرُّ وَأَنْتَ أَرْحَمُ الرَّاحِمِينَ
                  فَاسْتَجَبْنَا لَهُ فَكَشَفْنَا مَا بِهِ مِنْ ضُرٍّ وَآتَيْنَاهُ أَهْلَهُ وَمِثْلَهُمْ مَعَهُمْ رَحْمَةً مِنْ عِنْدِنَا وَذِكْرَى لِلْعَابِدِينَ
                  And Ayub, when he cried to his Lord, (saying): Harm has afflicted me, and Thou art the most Merciful of the merciful.
                  Therefore We responded to him and took off what harm he had, and We gave him his family and the like of them with them: a mercy from Us and a reminder to the worshippers.
                  (21: 83 - 84)
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                    Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                    Originally posted by SisterIslam
                    What were they supposed to do? Let him roam free after doing all that?
                    Sure. He didn't actually commit anything wrong. Adultery is a personal matter. It is his own choice to do what he wants to his Quran and whether he was participating in 'black magic' is none of the states business.

                    This is why Secularism is superior to Theocratic Law.

                    Originally posted by dunya_in_akhira
                    dont intefere in Muslim business - this was in Saudi Arabia - a Muslim country and he should of obided by its Laws- its obvious you dont like it but tough luck its not your business....
                    Whoever did the acts in Saudi Arabia should of known better considering countries laws and track record. It does not however, make the act of punishing anything he did morally justifiable.

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                      Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                      Originally posted by dunya_or_akhira View Post
                      dont intefere in Muslim business - this was in Saudi Arabia - a Muslim country and he should of obided by its Laws- its obvious you dont like it but tough luck its not your business....

                      every Muslim knows the punishment for indulging in Black Magic and he should of known better....
                      Nope, I'll get my oar in wherever I see injustice and I most certainly see it here. This ridiculous claim towards moral relativism is also unpersuasive. If a country has a set of laws which includes the execution of people for reading the Qur'an, what would you say about that?

                      "It's non of my business as it's their country and their laws''? Come off it. You'd be livid and rightly so.

                      There is no rational basis for justifying the murder of an innocent man on the grounds that he was indulging in cult religious practices.

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                        Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                        Originally posted by Skavau View Post
                        Sure. He didn't actually commit anything wrong. Adultery is a personal matter. It is his own choice to do what he wants to his Quran and whether he was participating in 'black magic' is none of the states business.

                        This is why Secularism is superior to Theocratic Law.

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                        So you are saying secularism is superiour to religious law because it allows an individual to do as they wish? Then how come marijuana and drugs are banned? How come people cannot sell alcohol without the gov permission. How come opening up gambling parlours and smuggling hookers is against the law? Secularism has rules just as religious laws have rules as well, they just differ in some things.

                        In UK sports betting is allowed where as US mostly bans it. But I am sure you will have no criticisms for the US.Likewise Saudi is different from US and so will have different laws.

                        Let us not forget that Singapore executes people for possession of drugs. It seems you are only selective and critical of a law if the word muslim is next to it.
                        Ron Paul:"But we have to realize why they want to come here. Wolfowitz even admitted that one of the major reasons that the Al Qaida was organized and energized was because of our military base in Saudi Arabia.They come here because we're occupying their country, just as we would object if they occupied our country."

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                          Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                          The man was executed for black magic and not the other 2 accusations.
                          Ron Paul:"But we have to realize why they want to come here. Wolfowitz even admitted that one of the major reasons that the Al Qaida was organized and energized was because of our military base in Saudi Arabia.They come here because we're occupying their country, just as we would object if they occupied our country."

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                            Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                            Originally posted by Skavau View Post
                            and whether he was participating in 'black magic' is none of the states business.
                            It is the states business if he was harming people with black magic. He used black magic to seperate a man and his wife, according to the article.

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                              Re: Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"

                              Once again, a response that lacks any real understanding of libertarianism.

                              Originally posted by Tiuchiha View Post
                              So you are saying secularism is superiour to religious law because it allows an individual to do as they wish? Then how come marijuana and drugs are banned? How come people cannot sell alcohol without the gov permission. How come opening up gambling parlours and smuggling hookers is against the law? Secularism has rules just as religious laws have rules as well, they just differ in some things.
                              The reason for this is that each of these things have been proven to cause direct damage to one's health (with the possible exception of gambling, where the jury's still out). In the case of cannabis and other drugs, we have a classification system so it's not cut and dry. Alcohol can be obtained but only from licensed premisses, because the state wishes to manage the public use of alcohol, given it's affects. It does not try to stop people drinking alcohol which is the important distinction.

                              You can have licensed casinos, so I don't know what you mean here. And as for prostitution, some of of us would go so far as to claim this should be legalised. Non the less, prostitutes aren't murdered in libertarian states under the law.

                              In UK sports betting is allowed where as US mostly bans it. But I am sure you will have no criticisms for the US.Likewise Saudi is different from US and so will have different laws.
                              So the US makes it's own laws regarding the practice of gambling? I would disagree with these restrictions, but then again people aren't brutalised or executed by the law for gambling.

                              Let us not forget that Singapore executes people for possession of drugs. It seems you are only selective and critical of a law if the word muslim is next to it.
                              No. Singapore's laws are completely injust in this case.
                              Last edited by Nihilist; 05-11-07, 08:21 PM.

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