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    Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

    As Salaamu Alaikum,

    Please can we share here information about the Muslims in the sub-continent. With regards to the deyobandi thought/opinion. Also who is the scholar Tantawe?

    Jazaak Allahu khair.

    Ma'aSalaama

    #2
    Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

    http://darululoom-deoband.com/english/index.htm

    generally people who follow ulema deoband


    though the label is not self approved or selfmade:)
    :salams

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      #3
      Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

      Tantawi - the al-Azhar "Scholar".

      Could be another guy..
      "If you speak, then consider your words, articulate your speech and make clear what you intend; do not allow them to carry a number of meanings, and do not use words that may be misunderstood, or words that are ambiguous and will need further explanations and clarifications, for your opponent will not remember your explanation, and if his heart is diseased he will release your words and direct them where he pleases."

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        #4
        Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

        Originally posted by Abandoned-Mind View Post
        Tantawi - the al-Azhar "Scholar".

        Could be another guy..
        His a guy that studied in Azhar ...but the grand mufti of azhar is Ali Gom3a...
        Surat Al-An'am verse 26: Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the Signs, they will not believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee; they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the ancients."

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          #5
          Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

          Originally posted by perfectpearl View Post
          His a guy that studied in Azhar ...but the grand mufti of azhar is Ali Gom3a...
          Tantawi is the Imam of al-Azhar Uni in Cairo, Egypt. Ali Goma is the grand mufti of Egypt.

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            #6
            Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

            yes tantawe is some guy from al azhar. Didnt he say women are allowed to take off their hijab,after the french ban ?

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              #7
              Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

              "Deobandi"

              In India - a little north of new delhi there's a town called Deoband. There a huge madrassah exists - Darul Uloom Deoband. People who are called deobandi either follow scholars who graduated from that Darul Uloom or their chain of teachers are attached to scholars attached to that madrassah.

              Deobandi is just the name - in reality they are the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah Ahnaaf (hanafis) in Indo-Pak - mashaALLAH
              Rajab is a month of cultivation, Shaban is month of irrigating the fields, and the month of Ramadhan is a month of reaping and harvesting.”

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                #8
                Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                Originally posted by THE PATH 2 View Post
                http://darululoom-deoband.com/english/index.htm

                generally people who follow ulema deoband


                though the label is not self approved or selfmade:)
                wow i just read some of that site page.. :S

                Moreover, in this mean world anti-God and anti-prophet societies were also to be founded merely for the reason that God is invisible to them through bare eyes. God forfends! In sum, in place of the rational gallop, o perceptual race was starting and in place of the faculties of the heart and the mind the sovereignty of the eye of the forehead was to be installed. In other words, that old Judaism, which had divested the Jews of their faith, was to revive again to come before the world and it was this only that they, striking the adz at the very basis of their faith, had fixed the eye to be their deity; and they had said:

                "0 Moses! We will not believe in thee till we see Allah plainly"(11:55). 'And we will not acknowledge the divine speech to be divine till we hear Allah's voice with our own ears'.

                As though this abnegation had taken the form of a principle that a thing not seen by the eye does not exist; naturally the sequel was that sense had taken the place of intellect and perceptible things the place of rationalism. Hence, they were desirous of seeing with eyes even those spiritualities, which are things to be seen with the heart and are free from and above perceptible form and shape. Hence, it had become insufficient to explain to them a subtle and spiritual reality like religion by bringing it before them merely in a rational shirt, as long as it was not brought forth covered with the mantle of perceptible abject. Thus, even as at the beginning of this age of rationalism the respectable Imam Shah Waliyullah, through divine inspiration, carved the way of rational argument and proof for the stating of religion, at the start of this period of perceptivity."


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                la howla wala qawalta illah billah

                And who can be more unjust than he who invents a lie against Allâh, or says: "I have received inspiration,whereas he is not inspired in anything" 6:91
                "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                The Prophet :saw: said:

                "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                muslim

                Narrated 'Abdullah:

                The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                  #9
                  Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                  deobandis are the wahabis of pakistan lol accordng to the brelwis that is :p
                  Some claim that u are like any one of us, But who can claim, to have visited the Arsh? We say bashr, but respect is also due. For mankind are like rocks, but a pearl are u. U travelled the 7Heavens, and ur eyes did not lie. For Jibril could not pass, but u, O Madani, glided by.

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                    #10
                    Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                    Originally posted by MMS View Post
                    deobandis are the wahabis of pakistan lol accordng to the brelwis that is :p
                    oh lol its a crazy world subhanAllah may Allah ta ala guide us upon the haq of the Quran wa sahih sunnah amin!
                    "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                    The Prophet :saw: said:

                    "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                    muslim

                    Narrated 'Abdullah:

                    The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                    "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                    By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                    [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                      Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                      i dont know if its just me but it seems like the majority of people in pakistan are now brelwi :S and they dislike deobandis so much so that they do not pray beside them

                      i think the people of lal masjid wre deobandis and the taliban are deobandis too
                      Some claim that u are like any one of us, But who can claim, to have visited the Arsh? We say bashr, but respect is also due. For mankind are like rocks, but a pearl are u. U travelled the 7Heavens, and ur eyes did not lie. For Jibril could not pass, but u, O Madani, glided by.

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                        #12
                        Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                        Originally posted by MMS View Post
                        i dont know if its just me but it seems like the majority of people in pakistan are now brelwi :S and they dislike deobandis so much so that they do not pray beside them

                        i think the people of lal masjid wre deobandis and the taliban are deobandis too
                        are u sure about the taliban :scratch: u.i.l is for sure not deobandi what does this word mean "deobandi" mean in english anyway :S
                        "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                        The Prophet :saw: said:

                        "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                        muslim

                        Narrated 'Abdullah:

                        The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                        "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                        By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                        [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                          #13
                          Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                          Originally posted by `asiya View Post
                          are u sure about the taliban :scratch: u.i.l is for sure not deobandi what does this word mean "deobandi" mean in english anyway :S
                          deobandi just means someone who follows the ulema of deoband, there's two main groups, deobandis and barelwis, the deobandis are called the indian wahabis by the barelwis, the term deobandi doesn't mean anything, it's not like they got any different beliefs or anything, a deobandi is someone who is hanafi in fiqh and maturidi in aqeedah, a barelwi is someone that follows the scholars of barelwiyyah, they're supposedly hanafi in fiqh and barelwi in bid'ati in aqeedah, they're the ones who say rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is made of noor and is omnipresent and all that other stuff, oh and some of them are grave worshippers.



                          "The `Aalim knows who is a Jaahil, because he used to be a Jaahil before. But the Jaahil does not know who is an `Aalim, because he was never an `Aalim before."


                          Imaam Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahullaah in Majmoo`ul Fataawaa.


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                            #14
                            Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                            Originally posted by Abu Mus'ab View Post
                            deobandi just means someone who follows the ulema of deoband, there's two main groups, deobandis and barelwis, the deobandis are called the indian wahabis by the barelwis, the term deobandi doesn't mean anything, it's not like they got any different beliefs or anything, a deobandi is someone who is hanafi in fiqh and maturidi in aqeedah, a barelwi is someone that follows the scholars of barelwiyyah, they're supposedly hanafi in fiqh and barelwi in bid'ati in aqeedah, they're the ones who say rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is made of noor and is omnipresent and all that other stuff, oh and some of them are grave worshippers.
                            masha Allah :jkk: thank u, beautifully explained masha Allah.
                            "O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you swerve, and if you distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do." [An-Nisa 4:135]

                            The Prophet :saw: said:

                            "Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa'ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for 'asabiyyah (nationalism/tribalism/partisanship) or calling to 'asabiyyah, or assisting 'asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah."

                            muslim

                            Narrated 'Abdullah:

                            The Prophet, said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)." sahih bukhari


                            "Creeping upon you is the diseases of those people before you: envy and hatred. And hatred is the thing that shaves. I do not say it shaves the hair but it shaves the religion!

                            By the One in whose Hand is my soul, you will not enter paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Certainly, let me inform you of that which may establish such things: spread the greetings and peace among yourselves."

                            [Recorded by Imam Ahmad and Al-Tirmidhi]

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                              #15
                              Re: Who is Tantawe? & What is deyobandi?

                              Originally posted by Abu Mus'ab View Post
                              a barelwi is someone that follows the scholars of barelwiyyah, they're supposedly hanafi in fiqh and barelwi in bid'ati in aqeedah,
                              Beautifully explained?

                              Not really, that is a biased explanation.

                              Firstly the scholar i think the brother in the first post is referring to is Ashraf Ali Thanvi, one of the earliest Deobandi scholars.

                              The reason some Brailwi scholars call the deobandi's wahabi's is because they have praised some of the Wahabi scholars, one of the examples is the first Wahabi book written in the india sub-continent by Ismail Dhelvi called Taqwithul Iman.

                              To claim the Brailwi are Innovators in Aqeedah is ignorance at its hight, Many of the Arab Scholars have similer aqeedah to the Brailwis, if you are from UK then you would know the Arab Aulama mostly come to the Brailwi Masajids.

                              The fact of the matter is there is misunderstandings between the Deobandis and Brailwis, both sides tend to take am extreme approach to the other.

                              The extreme deobandis call brailwis innovators and mushriks, whilst the extreme Brailwis call deobandis as people who disrespect the prophet [peace be upon him]

                              The Scholars of the arab world have praised both Deobandi and Brailwi scholars and regard them both as Ahl-us-Sunnah.


                              they're the ones who say rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is made of noor and is omnipresent and all that other stuff, oh and some of them are grave worshippers.
                              My dear brother, the belief of the Prophet [peace be upon him] being created out of noor is not only a brailwi beleif, just take a look at tafseer-e-usmai, by shabir ahmad usmani a deobandi scholar and see what he says in his explanation of 'Qadh Ja Akum Minallahi Nooruw Wa Kithabummebeen"

                              Regarding the Prophet [peace be upon him] being omnipresent, then omnipresent would not be the most suitable, the belief is that the Prophet [peace be upon him] is present in his grave in Madinah but with Allah's will he can go where he pleases, also the belief is that the Prophet [peace be upon him] is being aware of our actions, Deobandiyyah say he is aware by being presented the actions by the angels, whilst the brailwiyyah say he is witnessing directly!

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