Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

[irony]

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What hanafi you are, did you know that there are two big school of thoughts debandi and bralvi in hanafi school, both are same thought against shai. Both gives fatwa-e-kufar aginst evil sect.

I am guessing you are Wahabi based on your repeated response of calling Shiites as kafirs despite the fact that they pray inside Makkah side by side with Sunnis and they worship Allah alone, and they also believe in the Quran and they accept Prophet Muhammad(s) as the last messenger of God.

Yes, we donot follow or accept the practices of Shiites, that doesn't mean they are Kafirs. How many times have I repeated this. They have many actions which is un-Islamic, but it doesn't mean they are Kafirs. Sufis also performs many actions thats un-Islamic, but that doesn't mean they are Kafirs.

I think this debate will become a never ending debate as we are repeating the same thing, you are unable to comprehend a simple fact that a person who performs Salat inside Makkah, Medina and performs Hajj cannot be a kafir. I am going to stop debating regarding this issue.. I will try to get answer to the issues you have posted by copy+pasting blindly .

[MANI AHMED]

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I am guessing you are Wahabi based on your repeated response of calling Shiites as kafirs despite the fact that they pray inside Makkah side by side with Sunnis and they worship Allah alone, and they also believe in the Quran and they accept Prophet Muhammad(s) as the last messenger of God.

Yes, we donot follow or accept the practices of Shiites, that doesn't mean they are Kafirs. How many times have I repeated this. They have many actions which is un-Islamic, but it doesn't mean they are Kafirs. Sufis also performs many actions thats un-Islamic, but that doesn't mean they are Kafirs.

I think this debate will become a never ending debate as we are repeating the same thing, you are unable to comprehend a simple fact that a person who performs Salat inside Makkah, Medina and performs Hajj cannot be a kafir. I am going to stop debating regarding this issue.. I will try to get answer to the issues you have posted by copy+pasting blindly .

do not try to change topic, for your information whabi is not a sect, and fatwa against shia has been provided to you from every school of thoughts of sunni there is not different openion between all school of thoughts in ahlul-sunna about shia, all are one the confimed that "shia are kafir".

about obout performing of sallah in makkah for your information did Rasool-e-Akram pbuh stop "Abdullah bin ubay" the leader of munafiqeen to performing pray in Makkah and Medina at their pbuh time.

after reading bliefs of shia from their own authentic books no one says that they are muslim. (and brief fatwa has been produced earlier).

what sufies performing is a different issue which a seprate threat is going on if you need information to their.

i have checked such information posted by Ali Jan (former shia) is true and correct, if you found any wrong you may allow to pointout.

what matter we discussing is "Shia-Sunni Intermarriage" so after knowing the shia bliefs and reading ummah's fatwas against shia did any body says that
these are muslim and intermarriage is allowed.

[irony]

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do not try to change topic, for your information whabi is not a sect, and fatwa against shia has been provided to you from every school of thoughts of sunni there is not different openion between all school of thoughts in ahlul-sunna about shia, all are one the confimed that "shia are kafir".

about obout performing of sallah in makkah for your information did Rasool-e-Akram pbuh stop "Abdullah bin ubay" the leader of munafiqeen to performing pray in Makkah and Medina at their pbuh time.

after reading bliefs of shia from their own authentic books no one says that they are muslim. (and brief fatwa has been produced earlier).

what sufies performing is a different issue which a seprate threat is going on if you need information to their.

i have checked such information posted by Ali Jan (former shia) is true and correct, if you found any wrong you may allow to pointout.

what matter we discussing is "Shia-Sunni Intermarriage" so after knowing the shia bliefs and reading ummah's fatwas against shia did any body says that
these are muslim and intermarriage is allowed.

I am not trying to change topic..... in anycase, I have had this conversation with Imam before and he explained to me that we don't have the authority to call someone who has Iman (faith) to be a kafir.

Sufis issue is a similar issue, they have many actions which is un-Islamic, I am not changing topic, I am drawing an analogy.. that doesn't make Sufis kafirs as well.

In Makkah and Madina, Kafirs aren't allowed, correct me if I am wrong. So, if Kafir's aren't allowed why are Shias allowed? can you explain it then?

Inshallah, I will ask the Imam again when i meet again. Until then, I won't call Shias to be kafirs.

[Umm_Hanzalah]

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I am not trying to change topic..... in anycase, I have had this conversation with Imam before and he explained to me that we don't have the authority to call someone who has Iman (faith) to be a kafir.

Sufis issue is a similar issue, they have many actions which is un-Islamic, I am not changing topic, I am drawing an analogy.. that doesn't make Sufis kafirs as well.

In Makkah and Madina, Kafirs aren't allowed, correct me if I am wrong. So, if Kafir's aren't allowed why are Shias allowed? can you explain it then?

Inshallah, I will ask the Imam again when i meet again. Until then, I won't call Shias to be kafirs.

Because the government doesn't do what they are supposed to do. Even members of the nation of Islam are allowed in Makkah and Madinah. It has nothing to do with Islam and everything to with backward political thinking. Pleasing the kuffar regardless of whether Allah is pleased or not.

[UMER2008]

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I am not trying to change topic..... in anycase, I have had this conversation with Imam before and he explained to me that we don't have the authority to call someone who has Iman (faith) to be a kafir.

Sufis issue is a similar issue, they have many actions which is un-Islamic, I am not changing topic, I am drawing an analogy.. that doesn't make Sufis kafirs as well.

In Makkah and Madina, Kafirs aren't allowed, correct me if I am wrong. So, if Kafir's aren't allowed why are Shias allowed? can you explain it then?

Inshallah, I will ask the Imam again when i meet again. Until then, I won't call Shias to be kafirs.

after knowledge of shia's bliefs like "biddha", "taqqya" 'rijit" claming that quran has been changed by shahabas, not beleived on current quran, wrong justification of ahlul-bait whereas clearly mentioned in quran that ahlul-bait is wives of Rasool pbuh, wrong justification of imamat, whereas no one from ali ra to last claim that they are imam, claiming that Ali ra adopt taqqya on the imamat issue, use very bad language againt khulfa-e-rasheedin, shahaba and ulma of each era, did we still say that this sect is muslim, even in every era ahlul-haq ulma gives fatwa-e-kufar againt this evil sect. from imam ghazali to ahmed raza khan braveli no one consider them muslim.

so marry a shia is like marry a hindu, jew, budh etc even more worse than this.

for your information in the period of Rasool pbuh they pbuh not stop munafiqeen to perform sallah under their pbuh immat, so same practice going on.

ok ask you imam about fatwa-e-kufar given by all school of thoughts of islam against shia sect, did he reject such fatws give by ahlul-haq ullma in each era.

[irony]

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after knowledge of shia's bliefs like "biddha", "taqqya" 'rijit" claming that quran has been changed by shahabas,.......

You are continually posting the same ignorant and misinformed statement again and again. I think you are being blinded so much that you don't even bother to ask such questions to the shias; you instead visit some anti-shia sites to get your knowledge; kinda like the anti-islamic people visiting anti-islamic sites to get their knowledge.

Shias believe in the Quran as the word of God ( i have asked this to my Shia friends). Haven't you ever heard the recitation of Qur'an by Shiites?. You are confusing Ismalis with Shiites. Secondly, Taqiyya is NOT permitted in Islam (no matter which sect you belong to). I wasn't able to ask question to the Imam yet nor to the Shia friends that I know.. give me some time; I will get back to you with the answers.

I found this interesting video in Youtube about Shia-Sunni made by Sunni; you may want to check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUi7dlnXuj8

[afsalim]

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[Overseer]

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You are continually posting the same ignorant and misinformed statement again and again. I think you are being blinded so much that you don't even bother to ask such questions to the shias; you instead visit some anti-shia sites to get your knowledge; kinda like the anti-islamic people visiting anti-islamic sites to get their knowledge.

Shias believe in the Quran as the word of God ( i have asked this to my Shia friends). Haven't you ever heard the recitation of Qur'an by Shiites?. You are confusing Ismalis with Shiites. Secondly, Taqiyya is NOT permitted in Islam (no matter which sect you belong to). I wasn't able to ask question to the Imam yet nor to the Shia friends that I know.. give me some time; I will get back to you with the answers.

I found this interesting video in Youtube about Shia-Sunni made by Sunni; you may want to check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUi7dlnXuj8

Whilst the video was fair and balanced, the speaker fails to highlight any of the deviations in Shi'ite ideology that we know exist. He seems to portray an image of Shi'ite and Sunni being one in the same and there are only minor differences of methodology of Fiqh, whilst we know the reality is much deeper than that.

[UMER2008]

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You are continually posting the same d ignorant anmisinformed statement again and again. I think you are being blinded so much that you don't even bother to ask such questions to the shias; you instead visit some anti-shia sites to get your knowledge; kinda like the anti-islamic people visiting anti-islamic sites to get their knowledge.

Shias believe in the Quran as the word of God ( i have asked this to my Shia friends). Haven't you ever heard the recitation of Qur'an by Shiites?. You are confusing Ismalis with Shiites. Secondly, Taqiyya is NOT permitted in Islam (no matter which sect you belong to). I wasn't able to ask question to the Imam yet nor to the Shia friends that I know.. give me some time; I will get back to you with the answers.

I found this interesting video in Youtube about Shia-Sunni made by Sunni; you may want to check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUi7dlnXuj8

how did you say "ignorant and misinformed statement" did you checked from referred book, i have checked from concerned books and found correct, shai have many sect in between, some beleives that there are 40 parays of quran and 10 paras eaten by goat.

did you check this from (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1).

Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1).

did you check this from (took out the verses). (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).

The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses). (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).

why you asking shia freinds to answer such, you may go get such books and confirm with your own eye.

[AD DEOBANDI]

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Slmz. The following is on http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...070f8087ab784b

If the person you wish to marry is a Shi’a, he should be told to convert and become a Sunni. Shi’as cannot be trusted as they practice Taqiyyah, that is, holy hypocricy. For them that is an act of worship and reward. It is thus very unsafe to marry the person until he honestly and openly becomes a Sunni.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[ALIJAN1001]

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if any body wants to confirm what beliefs i was posted regarding shia may visit folloiwng link and get referenced books from their and confirm.

http://www.hubeali.com/Asool-e-Kaafi.php

asool-e-kaafi available on net.

[xeon]

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All of the above (AD DEOBANDI, ALIJAN1001, UMER2008) are kaffir's and should be ignored by any muslim with a brain.

[AD DEOBANDI]

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All of the above (AD DEOBANDI, ALIJAN1001, UMER2008) are kaffir's and should be ignored by any muslim with a brain.

http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.14masom.com/hdeath_sh/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.islamicawareness.
org/Quran/Text/forgery.html and the image and translation of Surah Nurain
was taken from http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Miracle/nurain.htmlhttp://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.raoofonline.com/index.php?T=3&id=20 ,
http://www.aqaed.com/shialib/books/a...8/nadwe28.htmlhttp://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.krhcy.
com/statichtml/files/104171414283197.shtml
8. Ibn Jibreen (Sharh akhsar al mukhtasaraat 13/79)
9. Abdul Rahman al-Barak (fatwa can be read on
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/...di_Shiites.phphttp://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/http://www.al-inaam.com/

[ALIJAN1001]

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All of the above (AD DEOBANDI, ALIJAN1001, UMER2008) are kaffir's and should be ignored by any muslim with a brain.

did you know who is kafir, about myself i beleive on allah, i beleive that muhammad pbuh is a rasool, respect all shahabas, respect wives of rasool (ahlul-bait) belive in five pillar of islam, beleive in angeles, not believe on innovation in religion.

about shia.
doughtfull beleive on allah and rasool pbuh, not beleived on shahabas, wives of rasool pbuh (ahlul-bait), grave worshipper, worship picture of ali ra, worshipping there so called 12 imam, cursing shahabas, khulfa etc.

who is muslim as per your belief.

[irony]

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Hmm.. it seems some of the people are no longer in the forum. In anycase, I will post the responses I received from Shiite friends.



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An important factor to note is that in the Madhab of the Shia NO book other than the Quran is 100% authentic from cover to cover. The Hadith books of the Shia are not labelled as 'Sahih' like the brothers in Ahle Sunnah attach 'Sahih' to the Hadith books of Bukhari and Muslim. There are many fabricated verses in Al Kafi.

Now, the hadiths provided:

[Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1)...]

- No Shia in his sane mind would believe such a statement.


[The Munafiqeen (i.e. Sahaba) took very much out of Quran (took out the verses). (Ihtijaj-e-tibri, page #382).]

This Hadith is false and an outright fabrication. The Quran is perfect and under Allahs timeless protection.

[Real Quran that is compiled by Hazrat Ali will come with imam Mehdi. (Anwar-ul-nomania, page #360).]

- Complete fabrication.

- According to Shias, the Mahdi will teach the Quran in the order it was revealed. For example, the first Surah in the Quran today is Al-Fatiha, but wasn't the first revealed. Every Muslim believes that the first Quranic verse revealed was the order telling the prophet to read, "Iqra..."

[All Prophets are beggar at the doorstep of Ali. (khalqat-e-norania, page #201, Talib Husain karpalwi).]

- lol..The author 'Talib Husain Karpalwi' sounds like he is from India/Pakistan... no such hadiths exist.

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I hope this answered your questions.