Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

[irony]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

"PLS READ SHIA BELIEFS AND COMMENT DO YOU EVEN THINK THAT A PERSON WHO BELEIVED ON THESE BELIEFS IS MUSLIM, MARRY WITH SHIA IS LIKE MARRY WITH HINDU, CHRISTAN, JEW, BUDDAH, PARSI ETC.

TERRIFYING BELIEFS OF SHI'ITES

1. Allaah often lies and does mistakes. (usool-e-kaafi, page #328, yaqoob kulaini, vol1)......"

Have you copy+pasted those information from anti-Shiite sites???. Have you checked their credibility or just blindly copy+pasted them. Do you realize that there are many anti-Islamic (anti-sunni) verses you can also copy+paste from anti-Islamic sites....

No, I am a Sunni, but I would never call Shias as kafir. They follow the 5 pillars of Islam, they pray 5 times a day. They believe in the Qur'an as the word of God (The idea that they believe the Quran is corrupted is a myth/lie spread across the Sunnis to increase the division with Shiites). They don't drink Alcohol. They eat halal/slaughtered meats. So, what authority do we have to call them Kafirs?,

Is their Kalima different? They have an extra line added to Shahadah.. which translates - 'Ali (ra) is a slave of Allah' after what our Shahadah, so, is it any different in terms of meaning than our Shahadah?.

Please don't make such statements and call other Muslim as kafirs just because he/she does something un-Islamic. I have seen Sufis do many un-Islamic things..so, should we start calling them kafirs too..

[Overseer]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

Have you copy+pasted those information from anti-Shiite sites???. Have you checked their credibility or just blindly copy+pasted them. Do you realize that there are many anti-Islamic (anti-sunni) verses you can also copy+paste from anti-Islamic sites....

No, I am a Sunni, but I would never call Shias as kafir. They follow the 5 pillars of Islam, they pray 5 times a day. They believe in the Qur'an as the word of God (The idea that they believe the Quran is corrupted is a myth/lie spread across the Sunnis to increase the division with Shiites). They don't drink Alcohol. They eat halal/slaughtered meats. So, what authority do we have to call them Kafirs?,

Is their Kalima different? They have an extra line added to Shahadah.. which translates - 'Ali (ra) is a slave of Allah' after what our Shahadah, so, is it any different in terms of meaning than our Shahadah?.

Please don't make such statements and call other Muslim as kafirs just because he/she does something un-Islamic. I have seen Sufis do many un-Islamic things..so, should we start calling them kafirs too..

I sense a hint of Taqiyyah here...

[extempers]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

My sister's friend married a shi'a and now she and her child must be shi'a.

Solid advice: It's better to avoid for the sake of unity in your marriage, in your extended family and in raising your children.

[irony]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

I sense a hint of Taqiyyah here...

Care to enlighten a bit?. Lieing is not permitted in Islam doesn't matter if u r a sunni or shia... the same rules applies. The only exception is when ur life is under threat. Atleast, thats as far as i know.

[ALIJAN1001]

Have you copy+pasted those information from anti-Shiite sites???. Have you checked their credibility or just blindly copy+pasted them. Do you realize that there are many anti-Islamic (anti-sunni) verses you can also copy+paste from anti-Islamic sites....

No, I am a Sunni, but I would never call Shias as kafir. They follow the 5 pillars of Islam, they pray 5 times a day. They believe in the Qur'an as the word of God (The idea that they believe the Quran is corrupted is a myth/lie spread across the Sunnis to increase the division with Shiites). They don't drink Alcohol. They eat halal/slaughtered meats. So, what authority do we have to call them Kafirs?,

Is their Kalima different? They have an extra line added to Shahadah.. which translates - 'Ali (ra) is a slave of Allah' after what our Shahadah, so, is it any different in terms of meaning than our Shahadah?.

Please don't make such statements and call other Muslim as kafirs just because he/she does something un-Islamic. I have seen Sufis do many un-Islamic things..so, should we start calling them kafirs too..

THESE HAS BEEN CHECKED AND FOUND CORRECT, IF YOU HAVE SOME REVERSATION YOU MAY CHECK FROM SHIA'S BOOKS, REFERENCE HAS BEEN QUOTED ON EACH BELIFS.

ALSO NO SHIA CHALLANGED SUCH INFORMATION TILL TODAY, AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WAS SHIA, CONVERTED IN MUSLIM I KNOW MUCH WORSE THAN THIS.

IF YOU WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION YOU MAY GET FROM ME.

[ALIJAN1001]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

SubhanAllah!!! If this stuff is true then it is disgusting, i have never really looked into the beliefs of the shia (except very briefly) but this stuff is horrific!

THIS INFORMATIONS ARE TRUE, IF SOME ONE HAVE ANY RESERVATION, THEY WILL CHECK FROM SHIA'S BOOK SOURCE OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN GIVEN ON EACH BELIF.

[ALIJAN1001]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

Have you copy+pasted those information from anti-Shiite sites???. Have you checked their credibility or just blindly copy+pasted them. Do you realize that there are many anti-Islamic (anti-sunni) verses you can also copy+paste from anti-Islamic sites....

No, I am a Sunni, but I would never call Shias as kafir. They follow the 5 pillars of Islam, they pray 5 times a day. They believe in the Qur'an as the word of God (The idea that they believe the Quran is corrupted is a myth/lie spread across the Sunnis to increase the division with Shiites). They don't drink Alcohol. They eat halal/slaughtered meats. So, what authority do we have to call them Kafirs?,

Is their Kalima different? They have an extra line added to Shahadah.. which translates - 'Ali (ra) is a slave of Allah' after what our Shahadah, so, is it any different in terms of meaning than our Shahadah?.

Please don't make such statements and call other Muslim as kafirs just because he/she does something un-Islamic. I have seen Sufis do many un-Islamic things..so, should we start calling them kafirs too..

YOU ARE FIRST PERSON BELEIVES THAT SHIA IS NOT KAFIR, FOR YOUR INFORMATION AHLUL-SUNNA PRACTISING 4 RELIGION (HANAFI, SHAFIA, HANBLE, MALIKI) WE HAVE FATWAS OF ALL FROM AHLUL-SUNNA ABOUT SHIA THAT THEY ARE KAFIR, FROM IMAM GHAZALI, TO AHMED RAZA KHAN BRALVI ALL ARE ONE AGAINST SHIA, THAT THEY ARE KAFIR.

[ALIJAN1001]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

ONE THING MORE IF WANT TO SEE THE PICTURE OF HAZRAT ALI RA BEING WORSHIPED BY SHIA. PLS VISIT FOLLOWING WEB LINK.

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/...is_picture.htm

[irony]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

THESE HAS BEEN CHECKED AND FOUND CORRECT, IF YOU HAVE SOME REVERSATION YOU MAY CHECK FROM SHIA'S BOOKS, REFERENCE HAS BEEN QUOTED ON EACH BELIFS.

ALSO NO SHIA CHALLANGED SUCH INFORMATION TILL TODAY, AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WAS SHIA, CONVERTED IN MUSLIM I KNOW MUCH WORSE THAN THIS.

IF YOU WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION YOU MAY GET FROM ME.

Do you realize that most anti-Islamic sites give information like that, i.e half quites /out-of context etc. and they make exactly the same kind of statement that you are making...I remember reading on an anti-Islamic sites that "This has been challenged but no muslim was able to refute it..etc which is basically a lie because he never agreed to get into a debate".. I am not accusing you of that, but if Shiites were Kafirs, they wouldn't have been allowed to do Hajj and into the cities of Makkah and Madina, and don't tell me this is because of Saudi corrupted regimes. Shiites has been allowed to do Hajj since 8th century if I am not mistaken, so, we shouldnot be calling them Kafirs. In anycase, I know Shias and I will ask them about these issues.

[irony]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

YOU ARE FIRST PERSON BELEIVES THAT SHIA IS NOT KAFIR, FOR YOUR INFORMATION AHLUL-SUNNA PRACTISING 4 RELIGION (HANAFI, SHAFIA, HANBLE, MALIKI) WE HAVE FATWAS OF ALL FROM AHLUL-SUNNA ABOUT SHIA THAT THEY ARE KAFIR, FROM IMAM GHAZALI, TO AHMED RAZA KHAN BRALVI ALL ARE ONE AGAINST SHIA, THAT THEY ARE KAFIR.

I follow the Hanafi Madhab and I don't think I am the first person like that. Shiites pray SIDE BY SIDE with Sunnis in Makkah and thats around Kabbah, the holiest place of Islam. If they are Kafirs why do they perform Hajj EVERY year?. Why are they even allowed in Makkah and Madina?. We cannot call them Kafirs, this is utter ridiculous.

I have seen Sufis worshiping the grave of their saints (100% Shirk), but that is an action carried out only by a few who does it ignorantly, its not done by all Sufis. So according to you are they kafirs too...

[afsalim]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

Oh here we go...

[ALIJAN1001]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

Do you realize that most anti-Islamic sites give information like that, i.e half quites /out-of context etc. and they make exactly the same kind of statement that you are making...I remember reading on an anti-Islamic sites that "This has been challenged but no muslim was able to refute it..etc which is basically a lie because he never agreed to get into a debate".. I am not accusing you of that, but if Shiites were Kafirs, they wouldn't have been allowed to do Hajj and into the cities of Makkah and Madina, and don't tell me this is because of Saudi corrupted regimes. Shiites has been allowed to do Hajj since 8th century if I am not mistaken, so, we shouldnot be calling them Kafirs. In anycase, I know Shias and I will ask them about these issues.

What a answer, i told you that i was shia and i know much more than this, i challenge you if you find some this wrong, point out or accept this because this is from authenticated books of shia.

About fatwa against shia i already replied that in every era, ullma of ahlul-sunna give fatwa-e-kufur to shia, and for your information they are performing this salah after sunni imam at makkah and madina, it is totaly restructed to perform sallah after shai imam.

Hope answer the question.

[ALIJAN1001]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

I follow the Hanafi Madhab and I don't think I am the first person like that. Shiites pray SIDE BY SIDE with Sunnis in Makkah and thats around Kabbah, the holiest place of Islam. If they are Kafirs why do they perform Hajj EVERY year?. Why are they even allowed in Makkah and Madina?. We cannot call them Kafirs, this is utter ridiculous.

I have seen Sufis worshiping the grave of their saints (100% Shirk), but that is an action carried out only by a few who does it ignorantly, its not done by all Sufis. So according to you are they kafirs too...

What hanafi you are, did you know that there are two big school of thoughts debandi and bralvi in hanafi school, both are same thought against shai. Both gives fatwa-e-kufar aginst evil sect.

[ALIJAN1001]

Question :

Ithna ashrah which is the largest sect of the shiah
Religion found in our country, is muslim or kafir? And
Whether inter-marri ages with shias are lawful,
Whether one can lawfully take their zabiah (meat of
Animals slaughtered by them) and whether it is
Permissible to say their funeral prayer or invite them
To participate in the funeral prayer of sunni muslims?
Besides if the shias wish to make donations for masjid
Whether such donations should be accepted or noet?

Answer:

Shia ithna ashrah rafida are definitely outside the
Pale of islam. Our ulama in the earlier generations
Were not fully aware of the realities of the shia
Religion because of the fact that the shia used to
Hide the teachings of their faith on the principle of
Taqiya and their books about religion were also not
Available. As such some of the earlier
Researchers/alims did not declare them as kafirs on
The basis of extreme care that they took in such
Matters. But today their books are available for study
And the reality of the shia religion which was
Shrouded in mystery earlier has now become crystal
Clear to all and sundry. Hence all the researcher in
Religion have become unanimous in the kufr of shias
(on account of their beliefs bordering on kufr).
Denial of the fundamentals of deen is kufr and among
The fundamentals, al-qur'an occupies the most
Prominent position as it is the foundtain-head of all
The beliefs and principles of islam and shias in all
The ages without any difference of opinionsubscribe to
The belief of tahrif (alteration) in the qur'an. In
The authentic books of shia religion, there are no
Less then 200 narrations abot tahrif in the qur'an.
The following five types of tahrif have been mentioned
In those books: (i) corruption of text. (ii) changing
Of words. (iii) changing of letters, (iv) defective
Chronologigal order and (v) defective chronology
Followed in surahs, ayats and words.

According to shia ulama the above mentioned five types
Of tahrif in the qur'an have been established on the
Basis of ( ) un-interrupted narrations which lend
Support to the theory of tahrif in the qur'an and
Shias are firm of their belief in this regard.

The founders of shias religion ever since they laid
Its foundation have passed through three historical
Phases. In the first phase, no one among the shias
Held the belief that qur'an is complete and
Uncorrputed. However in the second phase only four
Persons/ priests among the shias professed out of
Sheer taqiya that there has been no tahrif in the
Qur'an. They were (1) abu jaffar sani muhammad bin ali
Bin hussain bin mussa bin bayybah allama sadduqh, died
381 h (2) sharif murtaza abul qasim ali bin hussain
Bin hassanaian bin mussa baghdadi ilmul huda, died 436
H (3) shaikh at-taiyfah abu jaffar muhammad bin
Hussain bin ali toousi mufasir, died 460 h. (4) abu
Ali tabrisi aminuddin fazal bin hussain bin fazal
Mashudi, author tafsir majmah al-bayan, died 548 h.

That is to say in the second phase from 381 h to 548 h
Only four person/priests among the shias did not
Believe that there has been tahrif in the qur'an.
However, since their sayings were not based on
Arguments and were against the un-interrupted
Narrations ( ) of the shia religion, the shia ulama of
The second phase rejected their sayings/findings. Full
Details in this regard can be seen in my book (i.e.
"discussions & deliberations regarding tahrif in
Al-qur'an").

Allama bahrul uloom farangi mahal earlier used to
Issue fatwa to the effect that shias are muslims but
After seeing tafsir majmah bayan he came to know about
The kufr of shias and wrote that whoso subscribes to
The view of tahrif in the qur'an, is definitely a
Kafir (disbeliever in islam).

To be brief, the claim of kufr on shias is not solely
Established by their belief of tahrif in the qur'an
But is further supported and augumented by other
Factors like their belief in bada and qudzf ( slander
Or scandalous suggestions) about wives of the holy
Prophet (saw) who are mothers of all the believers.

Hence it is not permissible to have inter-marriage
Relations with shias, their zabi'ah is unlawful for
Muslims; their donation (for masjids) cannot be
Accepted and to say their funeral prayers or to invite
Them in the funeral prayer of sunni muslims - all this
Is not permissible. These people (shias) curse the
Dead one among the sunni muslims.

Written by: muhammad abdus-sakoor farooqi, mohtamim,
Dar-ul-mobaaligheen, lucknow (india).

(2) the shia denial of the companionship ( ) of hazrat
Abu bakar and levelling of false allegations (
Slander) against hazrat aaisha (r.a.) the beloved wife
Of the prophet (saw) render them kafir. Allama ibn
Abbidin writes: there is no doubt about a person being
Kafir who launches a charge against the chastity of
Hazrat aaisha (ra) or denies the companionship ( ) of
Hazrat abu bakar." (shami, vol. Ii, p. 294).

The same allama at another place in this very book has
Written that shiah are murtads (apostates) and liable
To be killed. (shami, vol. Ii, p. 683).

"whoso believes in the theory of tahrif in the qur'an
Is a murtad and kafir. He cannot be equated with the
"people of the book" (i.e. the jews and christians).
It is unlawful ( ) to have inter-marriages with them
Or develop any other relationships. Almighty allah has
Said in the qur'an:

"those who resist allah and his apostle will be among
Those most humiliated. . . . . "thou wilt not find any
People who believe in allah and the last day, loving
Those who resist allah and his apostles even through
They were their fathers or their sons or their
Brothers or their kindred." (58:20 & 22).

"hence one should not participate in any of the
Celebrations of the shiah whether these relate to
Marriage ceremonies or occasions of grief like
Funderals etc. Shias having such beliefs are not only
Kafirs but even worse than kafirs."

Riazuddin, mufti, dar-ul-uloom, deoband (india)
19-safar 1348 h.

(3) "the subject matter of the question, i.e. rafida (
Shias are also called rafida which means deniers of
The caliphate of hazrat abu bakar, umar and usman) are
Not only murtad, (apostate) kafir and outside the pale
Of islam but are also enemies of islam and muslims to
Such a degree that the others would found wanting in
This field. Muslims should cut-off all islamic ties
And relationships with them especially the bonds of
Marriage because by doing so either one indulges in
Zina and other obscene things himself or leads others
On this path (of evil)."

-muhammad murtaza ahsan, nazim, deptt. Of education
Dar-ul-uloom, deoband (india).

(4) "there are various sects among shia rafida ( );
Their different beliefs and conceptions are batil
(falsehood). Among them some are those whose kufr is
Manifest such as ithna ashrah. As such it is not
Permissible to enter into matrimonial bonds with them;
Rather all sorts of islamic ties and affinities with
Them should be discarded."

-muhammad ezza ali, modaris adab and fiqh,
Dar-ul-uloom, deoband (india).

(5) "those people who posses the above-mentioned
Beliefs, they are certainly kafir and outside the pale
Of islam."

(6) "ithna ashrah shias are kafirs & murtads because
They believe that qur'an has been altered."

-mufti muhammad abdul aziz, khateeb jamia masjid,
Gujranwala.

(7) "one who puts faith that the qur'an has been
Subjected to tahrif (alteration) is a kafir without
Any shadow of doubt."

Shabir ahmad usmani, shaikh al-tafsir, dar-ul-uloom,
Deoband and jamia islamia dabaeel, gujrat (india).

(8) "the aforesaid great alim has rightly said that
One who levells the charge of tahrif in the qur'an is
A kafir without any shadow of doubt."

-maulana muhammad chariq, al-madris, anwar-ul-uloom,
Gujranwala.

(9) "shais because of their (peculiar) beliefs are
Outside the pale of islam and as such kafirs. Hence
Islamic bonds like (i) marriage with them (ii) using
Their zabiah (iii) saying the funeral prayer of their
Dead ones (iv) allowing them to participate in the
Funeral prayer of sunni muslims (v) making them
Sharers in the qurbani i.e. sacrifical animals on
Did-ul-azha (vi) making them witness in the nikah of
Sunni muslims (vii) accepting their monetary
Contributions for the building of masjid --- all these
Things are not permissible (in shari'ah) and should be
Given up forthwith. Anyone who does not do so is
Outside the pale of islam and is similarly a kafir
Like the shias.

-masud ahmad, naib mufti, dar-ul-uloom, deoband
(india).

(10) "shias are in fact kafirs because besides qadfz (
-(slander) of umm-ul-momineen and reviling of
Shaikhain (i.e. hazrat abu bakar and hazrat umar) they
Believe in tahrif in the qur'an."

-muhammad kaffiat ullah khan, mufti azam hind, delhi.

In exposition of the above fatawa declaring shias as
Kafirs by the leading ulama of hind, maulana muhammad
Hasib umari, fellow, dar-ul-mobalagheen, lucknow
Writes in the appendix as under :-

Athna ashrah shia rafida being kafirs and outside the
Pale of islam is proved from a variety of reasons.

Allama bahrul uloom farangi mahal earlier used to
Issue fatwa to the

First proof of shia's kufr: their first proof of kufr
Is established by the fact that they subscribe to the
Doctrine of tahrif in the qur'an.* all the shias
Belonging to previous generations or present
Generation, their imams and various shia sects are
Unanimous of their belief in this regard. Hence shias
Are kafirs on the basis of ijma (concensus of the
Ummah).

1 imam kazi ayaz maliki (died 544 h) writes in the
Context of kufr by concensus: "similarly one is also a
Kafir who denied the qur'an or any word contained in
It or believed in tahrif in the present copy of the
Qur'an...." (shafa kazi p. 364).

2 allama bahrul-uloom lucknowi (died 1235 h) writes
That "one who subscribes to the view of tahrif in the
Qur'an is a kafir" (euwatah al-rahmoot, p. 617).

3 imam ali al-qari (died 1014 h) writes in the context
Of kufr by concensus: "whoso denies the whole of the
Qur'an or one surah or one ayah (of the qur'an) is a
Kafir." (sharah fiqh akbar, p. 205, 1348 h).

4 shaikh abdul qadir jilani, mufti azam, baghdad (died
561 h) has termed shias as kafirs and outside the pale
Of islam in the context of their blatant beliefs like
Tahrif in the qur'an, the belief that their twelve
Imams are infallible and sinless ( ) and the insult
They heaped on the angels etc." (ghaniatutailbeen, p.
320).

5 ccording to shia cources there are more than 2000
Ahadith which without any misgiving or duplicity show
Tahrif in the qur'an; these are no less than the
Number of ahadith vindicating the doctrine of imamate.
Fasilil khatab fi tahrif kitab rab-al-rabbab, by
Udoodullah hussain noori taqi tabrisi. P. 339).

Shias are of the view that hazrat ali collected the
Whole of the qur'an which comprised of seventeen
Thousand ayahs (usul-al-kafi) p. 671). Whereas the
Present qur'an contains only 6136 ayahs (fasilil
Khatab p. 104). That is to say that 10.864 ayahs have
Been excluded by the sahabah from the present qur'an.
In addition, the shi'i world is bereft from the
Original qur'an because the same has been taken to the
Care by imam mahdi since centuries. (fasilil khatab,
P. 97).

What a tradegy that the shia imam has disappeared with
The real qur'an and is not returning the same for the
Guidance of the shia people. . . . . . .

Second proof of shia's kufr: according to shia belief,
Allah is subjected to bada ( ). That is to say that
The knowledge of allah changes from time to time
Because allah is not fully aware of the causes and
Their consequences.

Al-kulaini the great muhaddith of the shia has devoted
A complete independent chapter of his book al-kafi
Under the caption of al-bada. Under this chapter he
Relates a number of stories narrated on the authority
Of the imams, preserved from sins, as the shia suppose
Them to be. Or these stories is one related on the
Authority of al-rayyan ibn al-salt, who says that he
Heard al-rada (ali ibn musa, the eighth imam according
To them) says: "allah did not ever send a prophet but
That he should proclaim wine as forbidden, and that he
Should as well as recognise bada (the proposition that
If a new circmstance should intervene it may cause
Allah to alter his determination) for allah" (al-kafi,
Book of tawhid, chapter on bada edn. Iran, vol. I p.
148).

Third proof of shia's kufr: the shia believe in
Revilling the shaikhain (ie.e hazrat abu bakr and
Hazrat umar) and launch a charge aginst the chastity
Of hazrat aisha (r.a.).

The comiplers of fatawa alamgiri (a volumnions book of
Juristic decisions) write in this context: "a shia
Rafida who curses and reviles hazrat abu bakr and
Hazrat umar is a kafir. Similarly one who does not
Accept the caliphate of these two caliphs of
Rasul-allah is also a cafir." (vol. Iii, p. 294).

It is stated in radul-mukhtar vol. Iii p. 406, sharah
Fiqqah-akbar p. 86 and tahawi ale maraqi p. 198 ahmad
Bin muhammad who died in 1213 h:

"anyone who launches a charge against the chastity of
Hazrat aisha (r.a) and denies the fact that her
Father, hazrat abu bakr was not a sahabi is
Undoubtedly a kafir."

It is incumbent on muslims to call shia rafida as
Kafirs. This is said on the authority of fatwa
Alimgari where it is stated:

"to call shia rafida as kafirs is binding on the basis
Of their kafiric (heathen or un-islamic) beliefs.
These people are outside the pale of islam. They fall
In the category of murtadeens (apostates) and should
Be dealt accordingly. Anyone who does not call them
Kafir is an irreligious person and by the same token a
Kafir like the shia." (vol. I, p. 92).

Fourth proof of shia's kufr: the shias believe that
Their imams are infallible and sinless -- attributes &
Qualities which are reserved only for the prophets and
Messengers of allah. What to say of twelve imams of
The shias, persons who are much higher in status,
Piety and nearness to allah like hazrat abu bakar,
Hazrat umar and wives of the holy prophet (saw) cannot
Even be called sinless.

It is unfortunate that some of the sunni alims out of
Sheer ignorance think that the shias believe in the
Finality of the prophethood of muhammad and as such
Invite them is their conventions and conferences
Whereas the fact is that shias are openly the
Transgressors of the finaity of prophethood. Shah
Waliullah delhvi inhis book p. 224 unvells the curtain
By saying, "actually they do not believe in the
Finality of prophethood of muhammad though they
Profess so verbally.". . . Shia belief in 'imamate' is
Nothing but an extensions of the prophethood which of
Course if followed under a different name. But what is
Then in name when the intent and content is the same!
! !

Appendix-ii

(contributed by maulana abbas mujtahi, fellow,
Dar-ul-mobaaligheen, lucknow).

"undoubtedly rafida (and shias) are not muslims."
(al-fazl by ibn hazm hanbali, vol. Ii p. 780,
Published in 1341 h).

"these people (i.e. rafida and shia) have no right in
The fay (i.e. property taken from the enemy without a
Formal war) of muslims." (shafa-kazi ayyaz maliki).

"those people (shia) by consensus ( ) and without any
Dispute are kafirs." (mazahir haq, p. 84). Shaikh
Muhammad bin yusuf, shaikh ahmad bin younus, imam
Abdullah bin idress (died 192 h) were all agreed on
The kufr of shia rafida.

Three ahadith of the prophet (saw)

(1) "in the latter times, a group will appear who will
Be called rafida. These people would have given up
Islam". (masnad ahmad, vol. I. P. 103).

(2) "after me there will emerge a group who will be
Known by the name of rafida. Hence if you get hold of
Them, kill them because they are mushriks
(polythesists) . . . . . . . . . . . . . -- these
People will abuse abu bakar and umar and whoso abuses
My sahabah, will be accursed by allah, angels and all
The human beings." (dar-ul-kutni).

(3) "a group will emerge soon who will abuse my
Sahabah and endeavour to find faults with them. As
Such you should not keep their company, nor dine with
Them nor have marriage relationships with them from
Either side. You should not greet them either. The
Curse of allah be upon them." (guniatutalibeen, p.
179).

Note: the above fatwa was published long ago by the
Mohtamim (principal) dar-ul-mobealigheen, lucknow
(india). This is the english rendering of the
Aforesaid fatwa for the benefit of those readers in
Africa and slsewhere who do not know urdu language and
Are being captivated by the agents of khomeni who is
Being projected as the standard-bearer of islamic
Revolution, founder of islamic system of government,
Great leader, guide and benefactor of the muslim
Masses. The strange and shocking thing is that some of
The so called islamic group among the sunni muslims
Have allied themselves to the cause of khomeni without
Bothering to know the fundamentals of shia religion!

The fatwa presented in the forgoing pages has been
Given by hanafi ulama mostly belonging to deoband
School thouth. The brelvi school of thought among
Ahle-sunnah in indo-pakistan has a soft corner for the
Shias and invite them in their meetings and
Conferences. They should ponder over the following
Fatwa (declaration) of their own chief which merits
Serious attention of both lay muslims and ulama among
This group and then make amends accordingly:

Maulana ahmad raza khan brelvi, founder of brelvi
School of thought among the sunni muslims of
Indo-pakistan sub-continent has declared in his fatwa
(1320 h) that rafida by and large are kuffar and
Murtadeen (apostates). The meat of animals slaughtered
By them is carrion and entering into matrimonial
Relationship with them is not only harm (unlawful) but
Zina (fornication) pure and simple. God forbid, if man
(husband) if rafida and woman (wife) a sunni muslim it
Is a source of incurring great wrath of allah. If man
(husband) is a sunni muslim and women (wife) belonging
To such accursed people (rafida) even then nikah will
Not be valid and it will be a mere zina; the
Offsprings will be product of zina and will not be
Entitled to any share in the property of so-called
Father even if the children are brought out as sunnis
Because according shari'ah children born out of zina
Are not ascribed to any father. Similarly the woman
Will neither be entitled to any inheritence nor to
Dowry because one who offers hereself for zina has no
Concern with mahr (dowry). A rafida cannot claim any
Inheritence even from his close relations like father,
Son, mother or daughter etc. What to say of a sunni
Muslim even a non-muslim and what is more even a
Rafida cannot have any right of inheritence in the
Property of his co-religionist. It is absolutely
Unlawful to have any social relationships or dealing
With rafida, men or women, learned or unlettered.
Whosoever considered them muslim even after being
Informed about the beliefs of these accursed people or
Doubts about their being kuffar, he is himself a kafir
And irreligious person by consensus of all the
Jurists. Such a person is to be treated at per with
Rafida and subjected to same rules and regulations. It
Is binding on muslims to listen to this fatwa with
Rapt attention and become true sunni muslims to listen
To this fatwa with rapt attention and become true
Sunni muslims by acting upon it with faith and
Conviction."

The same maulana at another place has observed that
The situation (of social intercourse with shias)
Arises when iman (faith) has dwindled and love of
Allah and rasul-allah has depared from the heart,
Almighty allah says in the qur'an: "and if the devil
Cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance,
With the congregation of wrongdoers." (6:68).

Rasul-allah (saw) is reported to have said: "keep away
From them and do not let them to come near you lest
They mislead you and land you in trouble. ( )".

There is a specific hadith about rafida: "a sect is
Going to emerge which will have a bad connotation.
They will be called rafida. They will come neither on
Friday nor in the congregational prayers. They will
Villify the first generation (of ummah). You should
Neither keep their company nor dine with them, nor
Have matrimomial relationship with them. If they fall
Ill do not go to greet them and if they die do not
Participate in their funeral prayers".

Now-a-days rafidas generally deny the fundementals of
Deen and (as such) are definitely renegades ( ). None
Of their men or women can lawfully be married to a
Sunni male or femal. Maulana ahmad raza khan brelvi
Ahd further said that (tazia mourning procession) as
Bidah, not permissible and haram.

Ifta of other brelvi ulama

1. People of such a sect who believe hadhrat abu bakr
Siddiqi, (ra), hadhrat umar (ra) and hadhrat usman
(r.a) as hypocrates, and holy quran as an-authentic
And muta which by census of ummah is haraam (unlawful)
As lawful, such a sect. Should definitly be declared
As a non-muslim minority. To consider them as muslims
Is an error.

Molvi muhammad ramadhan
Mufti, dar-ul-uloom hizbul ahnaf, lahore (pakistan)

2. Those people who possess such beliefs as have been
Mentioned in the istiftah (question) of tanzeem
Ahle-sunnah northern areas, indus & kohistan
(pakistan) -- undoubtedly such people are outside the
Pale of islam and are to be counted among the
Non-muuslims. They would be declared non-muslims on
The basis of their being irrelgious and deniers of god
( ). Mulhid ( ) and zeendiq ( ) are those people who
Outwardly take the name of fundamentals of deen but
Are deniers of the same like qadianis (ahmadis) and
Other people of their ilk. Those who claim to have
Belief in allah, rasul-allah (s.a.w.) and shari'ah but
At the same time openly show disregard for them, such
People in fact are outside the pale of islam. The
Ruling about them is that the government through
Ulama-e-deen should vindicate the truth before them so
That no excuse is left anymore. If they repent and
Make amends, it will be to their benefit; otherwise to
Finish (kill) them is also the duty of the islamic
Government. To declare them as a non-muslim minority
Will be meaningless.

Mufti ghulam sarwar qadiri,
Mumber central zakat council &
Mohtamim dar-ul-uloom ghosia, gulberg, lahore.

3. Any person or group who taunts regarding the
Chastity of hadhrat aaisha (ra) is a denier of those
Verses of surah al-noor which vouchsafe the innocence
Of hadhrat asisha (r.a). And one who denies the quran
Is a kafir. Anyone does not consider the present quran
As the word of allah he denies this verse of the quran

And a denier of any verse of the quran is a kafir. And
Masoom (infallible & sinless) are only the angels and
The prophets and the caliphate is just and right
Position and the superiority of the caliphs is in the
Same order in which they succeeded. It is stated in
(p. 107): "it is wrong and misleading to call
Hadhrat's abu bakr, umar & usman (r.a) as usurpers
Because they themselves never aspired or secured
Caliphate rather the muhajireen and ansar unanimously
Elected them as caliph. Hadhrat ali (r.a) also got the
Oath of allegiance ( ) in public from the people.
Anyone who shows disrespect to sahaba and calls them
Astray puts himself under the curse of allah.

Ibn umar reported allah's messenger as saying, "when
You see people who revile my companions (sahabah) say,
May allah curse you and your mischief." (tirmidhi)

Abu said al-khudri reported the prophet (saw) saying,
"do not revile my companions, for if one of your
Contributed as much gold as uhud it would not amount
To as much as the mudd (i.e. about a kilo) of one of
The, or half of it." (bukhari & muslim)

Hence in the above stated istiftah, a person holding
False and misleading beliefs cannot be rightfully
Called a muslim. It is unlawful for muslims to keep
Connections with such a person or group or participate
In their gatherings and conventions. In obedience to
The command of the quran (6:68) ----- the muslims
Should expell such people from their society and do
Not keep any connection whatsoever with them.

Abdul latif, teacher, jamia nazimiah razvia, lahore

[irony]

Re: Shia-Sunni Intermarriage

What a answer, i told you that i was shia and i know much more than this, i challenge you if you find some this wrong, point out or accept this because this is from authenticated books of shia.

Just because you are an ex-Shia doesn't mean you know everything about them?. Maybe you have had a bad experience among the Shias.. don't generalize based on your personal experience. I know people who are Shias, give me sometime I will try to ask them the above questions..

About fatwa against shia i already replied that in every era, ullma of ahlul-sunna give fatwa-e-kufur to shia, and for your information they are performing this salah after sunni imam at makkah and madina, it is totaly restructed to perform sallah after shai imam.

Hope answer the question.

So, you agree that they pray Salah SIDE by SIDE with Sunnis in Makkah in a prayer thats leaded by Sunnis. Therefore, they are Muslims. Kafirs shouldn't even be in Makkah, let alone praying inside it. Regarding praying behind Sunnis, we are also instructed not to pray behind Shia Imam, so, the logic applies both ways.

You and I don't have the authority to call someone praying inside Makkah and performing Hajj as kafirs. So, stop calling Shiites as kafirs, they have many actions thats un-Islamic, but that doesn't mean they are Kafirs. I hope you get the idea.