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    Assalamu Alaikum

    When is a woman allowed to show her hair to a prospective suitor?

    Can only serious proposals can see her nonHijab picture even before they meet?

    Or is he allowed to see her hair even before so he can be sure of her looks and find out if he wants to pursue it further?
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  • #2
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    nice questions, wondering y no1 tried to answer em :scratch:
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    • #3
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      he cant see her hair before marriage because he is not her mahram...ONLY AFTER WHEN HE IS HER MAHRAM IS IT ALLOWED!

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      • #4
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        so she can only take off her niqab but not hijab right

        but how it is done? when they meet for the sake of marriage how they r supose to talk n act? like keep on talkin n looking at their face while talkin so u get the expresions n understand that person or just take a 1 look at each other n decide wether u liked each other or not?
        *confuzeld*
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        • #5
          Re: When to take off Hijab

          Not specifically related to the title but similar

          Question:
          I was wondering is it permissible for me to mix, sit with and take off my hijab in front of my father-in-law who is kaafir? and how about my mother-in-law can i take my hijab off in front of her? can u also advice me how i should treat them?.

          Answer:
          Praise be to Allaah.

          Firstly:

          There is nothing wrong with a Muslim woman mixing with her mahrams, including kaafirs who are forbidden to her in marriage (because of close ties of blood or marriage, such as the father-in-law), if there is no danger of fitnah from them. The same applies to kaafir women among her relatives or others whom she has to mix with for some reason, such as her husband’s mother. The Muslim woman should call them to Islam in ways that are better, by showing the best attitudes promoted in Islam, such as speaking and acting kindly, whilst adhering to Islamic rulings such as not being the first to greet them and not feeling love towards them in the heart.

          With regard to the way she should dress in front of them, it is permissible for a Muslim woman to uncover in front of her mahrams and womenfolk as much as is customary among people of religious commitment and good manners, such as uncovering the head, neck, forearms and part of the calf.

          Whether the women and mahrams are Muslims or kaafirs, there is no difference in the ruling.

          But it is not permissible for a Muslim woman to wear short clothes in front of them, or thin (see-though) clothes, or tight clothes that show the shape of the ‘awrah. The scholars of the Standing Committee said:

          A woman should be modest, even if no one can see her except other women, she should not uncover anything more than is customary or needs to be uncovered, such as going out in the kind of clothes that she wears when doing housework, showing the face, hands and feet and the like. That is more concealing and farther removed from any doubt or suspicion.

          Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 17/288, 289

          Shaykh Muhamamd ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen said:

          With regard to her mahrams what she may uncover is the same as that which she may uncover in front of other women, so she may uncover her head, neck, feet, hands, forearms and calves, etc. But she should not make her clothes short.

          Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 12/276, 277

          See the answers to questions no, 12371, 6569 for more quotations and explanations from the scholars concerning what a woman may and may not show in front of other women and her mahrams.

          Secondly:

          Some scholars differentiate between Muslim women and kaafir women, and do not allow taking off the hijab in front of kaafir women. This is a less correct view, because Jewish women used to enter upon ‘Aa’ishah and others among the women of the Sahaabah, and it is not known that they wore hijab in front of them.

          The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked:

          Is it obligatory to wear hijab in front of kaafir women, or can we interact with them as we interact with Muslim women?

          They replied:

          There are two views among the scholars regarding this matter. The more correct view is that it is not obligatory, because no such thing was narrated from the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from others among the women of the Sahaabah when they met with Jewish and idolater women in Madeenah. If that had happened it would have been transmitted as less serious matters were transmitted.

          And they said:

          There is no reason why a woman should not uncover her face in front of another woman, whether she is a Muslim or a kaafir, because women are only commanded to cover their faces in front of men who are not their mahrams. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “…and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their women…”

          [al-Noor 24:31]

          So Allaah commanded them to draw their veils over their faces in front of men, except for the mahrams mentioned in this verse, or those who are their mahrams because of breastfeeding (radaa’ah), as mentioned in other verses.

          What is meant by “women” in this verse is all women, both Muslim and non-Muslim. And Allaah knows best.

          Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 17/287, 288

          And Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

          Is it permissible for a Muslim woman to uncover her hair in front of a non-Muslim woman, especially as she may describe the Muslim women to her male relatives who are not Muslim?

          He replied:

          This is a matter that is based on different scholarly interpretations of the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

          “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their women…”

          [al-Noor 24:31]

          The scholars differed concerning the pronoun in the word nisaa’ihinna (“their women”). Some of them said that what is meant is the gender, i.e., all women in general. And some of them said that what is meant is the type of women, i.e., believing women only. According to the first view, it is permissible for a woman to uncover her hair and face in front of non-Muslim women, but according to the second view it is not permissible. We are more inclined towards the first view because it is more sound, because among women there is no difference between a Muslim woman and a non-Muslim woman. This is so long as there is no fitnah (temptation). But if there is the fear of fitnah, such as if the woman may describe her (the Muslim woman) to her male relatives, then it is essential to take precautions in that case, and the woman should not uncover any part of her body, such as the feet or hair, in front of the other woman, whether she is Muslim or non-Muslim.







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          • #6
            Re: When to take off Hijab

            As Salaamu Alaikum,

            There is a difference of opinion amongst the scholars about this.

            I have even heard, back when I used to be around HT brothers, that there is even an opinion that the respective groom is allowed to see the woman's figure, through a slightly transparent screen of some sort. I don’t know how much truth there is in this.

            Ma'aSalaama

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            • #7
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              ^no Way That Is Ridiculous!! Off Course Not!! Duuhhh He Is Not Her Mahram So He Cant! How Stooopid!!!

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              • #8
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                I have also heard there is that opinion...
                but i think alot of sisters haya will prevent them from agreeing 2 any such thing
                .: Rufaida :.
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                • #9
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                  where is the proof that a non mahram can look at the figure of a woman?!!!!????

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                  • #10
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                    its from a hadith were rasoolallah :saw: told someone to look @ the girl he wanted 2 marry i think?
                    i dnt know the details of that opinion... am not in it myself but i have heard others with that opinon
                    .: Rufaida :.
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                    • #11
                      Re: When to take off Hijab

                      Originally posted by Al-Saeed Abdi View Post
                      As Salaamu Alaikum,

                      There is a difference of opinion amongst the scholars about this.

                      I have even heard, back when I used to be around HT brothers, that there is even an opinion that the respective groom is allowed to see the woman's figure, through a slightly transparent screen of some sort. I don’t know how much truth there is in this.

                      Ma'aSalaama
                      AstagFir'Allah, a woman should be dressed in loose modest clothes so as NOT to reveal the shape of her figure, hands and face can be seen by potential (n feet if u want) which will give an indicator of her size. But u cant actually go and say to the sister "stand behind a transparent screen so i can see ur figure and decide if i want to marry u" :wacko:
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                      And make beneficial for me that which I want.

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                      • #12
                        Re: When to take off Hijab

                        Originally posted by Al-Saeed Abdi View Post
                        As Salaamu Alaikum,

                        There is a difference of opinion amongst the scholars about this.

                        I have even heard, back when I used to be around HT brothers, that there is even an opinion that the respective groom is allowed to see the woman's figure, through a slightly transparent screen of some sort. I don’t know how much truth there is in this.

                        Ma'aSalaama
                        walaikum assalam

                        bro whichever ht guys told you this are liars... this 'opinion' is a lie... it is not allowed to see her figure through anything at all... and it is not permitted to see her hair at all.... ask them to bring you one scholar from amongst the four imams or the classical ulema who says that it is.... this is a fitnah that has been spread by some perverted people who wish for their desires to be maifest... imagine some guy saying to ur sis oh can u take ur hijab off i want to look.....man id
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                        • #13
                          Re: When to take off Hijab

                          Originally posted by Ibn-e-Muslim View Post
                          so she can only take off her niqab but not hijab right

                          but how it is done? when they meet for the sake of marriage how they r supose to talk n act? like keep on talkin n looking at their face while talkin so u get the expresions n understand that person or just take a 1 look at each other n decide wether u liked each other or not?
                          *confuzeld*
                          youre allowed to look at each other enough to decide if u like the look of each other ( have to find your spouse attractive in some way doesnt mean they have to be clasically "beautiful" though because everyone has a different idea of what is beauty) based on a hadith of the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam who said to a sahabba who was considering getting married and who hadnt yet seen his bride, and who was told go and look at her for there is something in the eyes ( a defect) of that tribe.

                          The prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam has said we can look at what makes us marry them which is their face , which is usually forbidden for a man ( or woman) to look at, because of the ayats of the Quran which order men (and women) to lower the gaze, and the hadith of the first (accidental) glance is not something blameworthy, but a second glance ( looking back again) is not permissible. Allahu alam thats what i have understood.


                          (as for the opinion that a woman can remove her hijab before marriage in front of a non mahram man that is in complete opposition to what Allah ta ala has ordered us to do in the Quran which is to cover in front of non mahrams and i dont find any daleel for the opinion that it can be removed or that a woman can dress immodestly i have also heard batil people say that a man can hide in a womans bedroom with the permission of the father and spy on her naked this is how far they take this shaitanic opinion audu billah Allahu alam)
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                          • #14
                            Re: When to take off Hijab

                            Originally posted by Al-Saeed Abdi View Post
                            As Salaamu Alaikum,

                            There is a difference of opinion amongst the scholars about this.

                            I have even heard, back when I used to be around HT brothers, that there is even an opinion that the respective groom is allowed to see the woman's figure, through a slightly transparent screen of some sort. I don’t know how much truth there is in this.

                            Ma'aSalaama
                            u mean without cloths ?
                            who the hell on earth gona let her daughter/sister display their figure to non mehram?

                            what if a person doesnt like the figure? what he gona say i dont want to marry ur daughter/sister coz i didnt like her figure? he is sure gona get killed here inshaAllah :lahawla:
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                            • #15
                              Re: When to take off Hijab

                              Originally posted by Al-Irhaab View Post
                              walaikum assalam

                              bro whichever ht guys told you this are liars... this 'opinion' is a lie... it is not allowed to see her figure through anything at all... and it is not permitted to see her hair at all.... ask them to bring you one scholar from amongst the four imams or the classical ulema who says that it is.... this is a fitnah that has been spread by some perverted people who wish for their desires to be maifest... imagine some guy saying to ur sis oh can u take ur hijab off i want to look.....man id
                              Jazaak Allahu khair bro, I thought it a little strange as well. But I didn't want to speak without knowing for sure.

                              What about the hair, I was always under the impression there was a legitimate opinion that it was allowed? But then again I got that from HT people as well.

                              Ma'aSalaama

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