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  • #46
    Re: A difficult decision...

    Originally posted by Outreach4Islam View Post
    you're a troll.

    No one who is serious enough about the deen to want to make hijrah would be this heartless a prick, so therefore you are a troll.
    In your head im a troll, in my head your a troll. Nobody who is sincere in the deen would assume the worst about another Muslim, especially when they have not gone through the same
    circumstances as them, and lived a day in their shoes.

    This thread is called "A difficult decision" for a reason, unless you happen to be the illustrious sahabi Abu Obaidah ibn al Jarrah (ra) about whom it was said that the Dunya changed and had a
    effect on everyone except him (ra) then i dont think you are safe from fitan either.

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    • #47
      Re: A difficult decision...

      Originally posted by khavar View Post
      In your head im a troll, in my head your a troll. Nobody who is sincere in the deen would assume the worst about another Muslim, especially when they have not gone through the same
      circumstances as them, and lived a day in their shoes.

      This thread is called "A difficult decision" for a reason, unless you happen to be the illustrious sahabi Abu Obaidah ibn al Jarrah (ra) about whom it was said that the Dunya changed and had a
      effect on everyone except him (ra) then i dont think you are safe from fitan either.
      Please spare me.. So calling muslim women gold diggers,insufficient,superficial,less attractive, immodest in comparison to a non Muslim women is you assuming the best? I'd hate to see you assuming the worst. It seems you've made your decision anyway so why ask?

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      • #48
        Re: A difficult decision...

        Originally posted by Unconditional View Post
        Please stop talking, you have no idea how offensive what you said is but I just can't be asked with you.We're trying to give you sincere advise but it seems your more interested in slagging off muslim women.whatever anyways:

        Here's proof on an Islamic perspective-Praise be to Allaah.
        Some scholars said that a marriage done with the intention of getting divorced is an invalid marriage, because it is temporary, so it is akin to mut’ah marriage.

        Among those who are of this opinion are the scholars of the Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas. We have quoted their fatwa in the answer to question no. 91962.

        Others are of the view that it is a valid marriage, but it is haraam due to the deceit and betrayal involved, because if the woman and her guardian knew that the husband was only getting married with the intention of divorce after a few days or a month and so on, they would not have agreed to that.

        Among those who are of this opinion is Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him). He was asked:

        There is a man who wants to go abroad because he is being sponsored by the government, and he wants to maintain his chastity by marrying a woman there for a specific period, then after that he will divorce this wife, without telling her that he is going to divorce her. What is the ruling on his doing this?

        He replied:

        One of two scenarios must apply to this marriage that is done with the intention of divorce. Either he stipulates in the marriage contract that he is marrying her for a month or a year or until his studies end, which is a mut’ah marriage and is haraam, or he is intending that without stipulating it. The well known Hanbali view is that it is haraam and the marriage contract is invalid, because they say that that which is intended is like that which is stipulated, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Actions are but by intentions and each person will have but that which he intended.” And because if a man marries a woman who was divorced thrice by her husband for the purpose of making her permissible for him, then he divorces her, then the marriage is invalid, even if that is done without any stipulation, because that which is intended is like that which is stipulated. If the intention is tahleel (making it permissible for the woman to go back to her first husband) then the contract is invalid. Similarly the intention of mut’ah renders the marriage contract invalid. This is the view of the Hanbalis. The other scholarly view concerning this issue is that it is valid to marry the woman with the intention of divorcing her when he leaves the country, like those who go abroad to study and so on. They said: Because this is not stipulated, and the difference between this and mut’ah is that when the time stipulated comes, separation is automatic, unlike this, because he may like this wife and want her to stay with him. This is one of the two views of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah.

        In my view, it is valid and is not mut’ah, because the definition of mut’ah does not apply to it. But it is haraam because it is deceiving the wife and her family, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade deceiving and cheating. If the wife knew that this man only wanted to marry her for this period, she would not have married him and her family would not have agreed. Just as he would not want to give his daughter in marriage to a person who intends to divorce her when he no longer has any need of her, how can he agree to treat others in a way that he would not like for himself? This is contrary to faith, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No one of you is a believer until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself.” And because I have heard that some people use this opinion as a means to do something which no scholar would approve: they go to other countries just to get married, so they go and get married, and they stay there for as long as Allaah wills with this wife whom they intended to marry for a short time only, then come back. This is also a grave wrong and closing the door to it would have been better because of the deceit and betrayal involved in it, and because it opens the door to such things, as most people are ignorant and most people’s whims and desires encourage them to transgress the sacred limits of Allaah. End quote.

        Fataawa al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah (2/757, 758).

        It says in the resolutions of the Fiqh Council:

        Marrying with the intention of divorce means: a marriage in which the conditions of marriage are fulfilled, but the husband intends in his heart to divorce the woman after a certain length of time, such as ten days, or an unknown length of time, such as when the husband has completed his studies or when he achieves the purpose for which he came.

        Although some scholars permitted this type of marriage, the Council thinks that it is not permissible, because it includes deceit and cheating, because if the woman or her guardian knew about that, they would not have agreed to this marriage contract.

        And because it leads to serious negative consequences and real harm which damages the reputation of the Muslims.

        And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. End quote.

        http://www.themwl.org/Fatwa/default....62&l=AR&cid=13

        Whatever the case, marrying with the intention of getting divorced is haraam, and it may be either invalid in and of itself like mut’ah, or haraam because of the deceit and betrayal involved.

        And Allaah knows best.
        You mixed up two different fatwas without posting the source of the first.

        I have read these fatwas and many others besides long before you started looking them up to use as ammunition.

        The first part of what you posted actually agrees with what i am saying. That the nikah would be valid, so long as it is not stipulated in the contract
        that it is for a limited time only - that is the bit that turns it into muta what the shias do.

        Besides i have not intended divorce, nor have i intended a certain timeframe, i may make hijrah in 16 months, maybe 20 months depends on situation.

        Allah only knows the future

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        • #49
          Re: A difficult decision...

          Originally posted by khavar View Post
          You mixed up two different fatwas without posting the source of the first.

          I have read these fatwas and many others besides long before you started looking them up to use as ammunition.

          The first part of what you posted actually agrees with what i am saying. That the nikah would be valid, so long as it is not stipulated in the contract
          that it is for a limited time only - that is the bit that turns it into muta what the shias do.

          Besides i have not intended divorce, nor have i intended a certain timeframe, i may make hijrah in 16 months, maybe 20 months depends on situation.

          Allah only knows the future
          Did you read it properly? It clearly says either way it's Haram because some scholars believe mutah is not allowed and others say it is deceiving the girl and her family because no matter what the time frame you still plan on a divorce no ifs,whats or buts.

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          • #50
            Re: A difficult decision...

            Originally posted by Fragile View Post
            No I don't believe every relationship is lovely dovey match made in heaven.. I just don't agree with your devious plan... What if she was a good woman who really cared for you, wanted more from you and trusted you. You have very right to marry another, I agree with you but this is wrong.
            So you assuming the best for a christian - who belongs to a nation that kills Muslims day and night in the East and the in the West - while assuming the worst for your Muslims brother ?

            If she was really a good woman would her heart not lead her to believing in Allah and His Messenger ?

            Anyway thats a different topic

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            • #51
              Re: A difficult decision...

              Originally posted by Unconditional View Post
              It's not even so much about the fact that he's heartless,what caught my attention is that he seems to have more respect to non-Muslim women and he's degrading his own sisters.
              No thats not what i said. You just choose to take offense. I actually said there are gold-diggers among the Christians and among the Muslims, just as there are good women who want to be home-makers among them as there are among us.

              Some people seem to look for offense where there is none.
              Last edited by khavar; 24-12-14, 05:12 PM.

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              • #52
                Re: A difficult decision...

                Originally posted by Unconditional View Post
                Did you read it properly? It clearly says either way it's Haram because some scholars believe mutah is not allowed and others say it is deceiving the girl and her family because no matter what the time frame you still plan on a divorce no ifs,whats or buts.

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                • #53
                  Re: A difficult decision...

                  You go read back, it clearly says some scholars don't regard it as mutah because it's.not immediate separation after specified time period but everything that is permissible doesn't mean it's ok. Let's say your wife didn't stipulate on her marriage contract that she will divorce in the case of polygamy,you can still do it but if she would be upset would you? Likewise even if it's not deceit and some stupid women out there actually agrees to your so called 'marriage' after a while she may get attached eventhough she hadn't planned too,what would you do then?

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                  • #54
                    Re: A difficult decision...

                    Originally posted by khavar View Post
                    No thats not what i said. You just choose to take offense. I actually said there are gold-diggers among the Christians and among the Muslims, just as there are good women who want to be home-makers among them as there are among us.

                    Some people seem to look for offense where there is none.
                    No I wasn't looking for offence I got what you meant clearly because if that is what you meant why would it even be worth mentioning. So basically your saying there are gold diggers and decent women among non-Muslims and Muslims but what your essentially saying if that there's more positive marrying a non-muslim than a Muslim which means they are better in comparison. You may not say it directly but obviously common sense tells you all you need to know.

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                    • #55
                      Re: A difficult decision...

                      Originally posted by khavar View Post
                      So you assuming the best for a christian - who belongs to a nation that kills Muslims day and night in the East and the in the West - while assuming the worst for your Muslims brother ?

                      If she was really a good woman would her heart not lead her to believing in Allah and His Messenger ?

                      Anyway thats a different topic
                      Do not attempt to twist my words... ! I'm telling you that using any human being is simply WRONG! Full stop.
                      I love you, cherish you and worship you,
                      Guide me on your path to your janna,
                      Unite me beside you My King and all mighty,


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                      • #56
                        Re: A difficult decision...

                        Originally posted by Fragile View Post
                        Do not attempt to twist my words... ! I'm telling you that using any human being is simply WRONG! Full stop.
                        Exactly! You don't need fatwas to tell you what's morally wrong.

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                        • #57
                          Re: A difficult decision...

                          Originally posted by Unconditional View Post
                          Exactly! You don't need fatwas to tell you what's morally wrong.
                          Precisely! Anyway who's this brother? His seriously getting on my nerves. His arrogant to truth subhanallah
                          I love you, cherish you and worship you,
                          Guide me on your path to your janna,
                          Unite me beside you My King and all mighty,


                          :love:Allah:love:

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                          • #58
                            Re: A difficult decision...

                            Originally posted by Fragile View Post
                            Precisely! Anyway who's this brother? His seriously getting on my nerves. His arrogant to truth subhanallah
                            Yhh May Allah guide him. Seriously is all men get married for just sex?

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                            • #59
                              Re: A difficult decision...

                              Originally posted by Outreach4Islam View Post
                              you're a troll.

                              No one who is serious enough about the deen to want to make hijrah would be this heartless a prick, so therefore you are a troll.
                              I question the same thing.

                              I seriously wonder about the one who is so serious about relocating for the sake of Allah, in order to preserve his deen/Iman etc (which is the main essence of hijrah)

                              But yet has such dishonourable intentions towards another woman.
                              https://sufisticated101.wordpress.com

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                              • #60
                                Re: A difficult decision...

                                Originally posted by Unconditional View Post
                                Yhh May Allah guide him. Seriously is all men get married for just sex?
                                Unbelievable... Seriously degrading sisters.. And to top it off his announcing bad intentions...
                                I don't think all men marry for pleasure...this brother is very confused or really lost in coco land.
                                I love you, cherish you and worship you,
                                Guide me on your path to your janna,
                                Unite me beside you My King and all mighty,


                                :love:Allah:love:

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