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  • Winter
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    That is the case. Here is an example:

    My brother had 4 women to consider for marriage before going ahead that my parents told him were "family, home-type grils". One was STILL seeing her ex-boyfriend for sexual needs (wore an abaya and hijab too, but obvious from the paint bucket face that it was just a front). The other 3 had relationships in the past, not too long before coming for a proposition for my brother. My own assumption (which you can count or not, but you probably won't) is that there parents found out that they are not so "innocent" and decided to get them married before any other shameful act hits them. Now unless you want to tell me that this is just bad luck, bad timing or lies, that was ALL of the women that came to see my brother. All of them, I've known growing up and to find these things out was shocking for me, let alone my brother who has always practiced the Deen. This won't change the reality of the situation that stares you in the face.

    It's funny that statistically, the chances of a woman doing those acts are so high and yet, I'm supposed to defend my "Muslim sisters" because they don't want their feelings hurt (boo hoo). The few pockets of good sisters tend to look for brothers who are scholars, upright in every stage of life and fit the category of the "alpha male". Of course, that itself makes no sense in Islam but again, its another reality that Muslim men are faced with.

    I'm not here to play the judge, but I hate it when Muslim women tend to pretend they are these precious, pure Muslims and act like they are in line with the Ummahatul Mumineen (r.a) when they are nothing but trash, tools to a means for the future. They are responsible for the outlook men have towards them nowadays and they deserve the ill-treatment they recieve. It is obvious that the whole concept of a love-filled, happy marriage is long gone, thus rendering it only for the needs of sex and producing children. Lets at least keep that.
    I understand your pain on this matter, but I don't feel your are being fair here rather it be a sister or brother. Not all sisters are like this and we shouldn't generalize them all in the same category. We also need to understand even our borthers/sister who commit these sins its because their deen isn't strong, not everyone is bought up in a strong household, some families emphasis on culture, some on pride, some on fame/reputation, etc this is the environment some brothers and sisters are raised in hence lack the knowledge and we see them drinking, clubbing/partying, dating, etc, even tho some families know of this they don't do anything about it much.

    You say when sisters who do this they deserve to be ill treated when in reality no one deserves to be ill treated, regardless we are all humans. You should also watch the words your throwing around, "trash" you are referring to allah (swt) creation as trash. We should not kick those who are down, but help them as there is a lot of reward for us.

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  • علي
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    That is the case. Here is an example:

    My brother had 4 women to consider for marriage before going ahead that my parents told him were "family, home-type grils". One was STILL seeing her ex-boyfriend for sexual needs (wore an abaya and hijab too, but obvious from the paint bucket face that it was just a front). The other 3 had relationships in the past, not too long before coming for a proposition for my brother. My own assumption (which you can count or not, but you probably won't) is that there parents found out that they are not so "innocent" and decided to get them married before any other shameful act hits them. Now unless you want to tell me that this is just bad luck, bad timing or lies, that was ALL of the women that came to see my brother. All of them, I've known growing up and to find these things out was shocking for me, let alone my brother who has always practiced the Deen. This won't change the reality of the situation that stares you in the face.

    It's funny that statistically, the chances of a woman doing those acts are so high and yet, I'm supposed to defend my "Muslim sisters" because they don't want their feelings hurt (boo hoo). The few pockets of good sisters tend to look for brothers who are scholars, upright in every stage of life and fit the category of the "alpha male". Of course, that itself makes no sense in Islam but again, its another reality that Muslim men are faced with.

    I'm not here to play the judge, but I hate it when Muslim women tend to pretend they are these precious, pure Muslims and act like they are in line with the Ummahatul Mumineen (r.a) when they are nothing but trash, tools to a means for the future. They are responsible for the outlook men have towards them nowadays and they deserve the ill-treatment they recieve. It is obvious that the whole concept of a love-filled, happy marriage is long gone, thus rendering it only for the needs of sex and producing children. Lets at least keep that.
    Alright well then it's just as I thought, bad experience. But you have to realize again that there is a whole world out there, it could be that wherever you live the community is far less religious, or you did not look in the right places. If one looks in a garbage dump, what would they expect to find? I'm not saying everyone in any place will be terrible, but you need the right channels and some patience.

    I myself have looked in many places in several parts of the world, seen quite a number of people before actually getting married. Tbh all of them were perfectly good and nice people save one Arabic girl I spoke to residing in Malaysia who was very mean towards me for some reason, but even in that case no evidence of anything else was available. You can't say "I hate it when Muslim women..." because Muslim women at large aren't guilty for what some of their individuals do, and let's not kid ourselves, the males in these countries and our countries are hardly any better. It's a societal problem like many others, and like with all such problems, patience and advising where able to is the correct course of action. No use developing overly pessimistic or jaded points of view, it will just affect you negatively first and foremost and is simply not practical on an Islamic level. Put simply, "ain't nobody got time for that".

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  • GoogleSlayer
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by cdn_bro View Post
    Hijabi sleeping around? !
    Not a good combination of words. Please remove the word hijab.

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  • GoogleSlayer
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    Allah is the best Provider
    To despair is to sin
    Dont give up my comrades!
    Remember. When it gets the darkest, stars come out

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  • ibn_maymunah
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    That is the case. Here is an example:

    My brother had 4 women to consider for marriage before going ahead that my parents told him were "family, home-type grils". One was STILL seeing her ex-boyfriend for sexual needs (wore an abaya and hijab too, but obvious from the paint bucket face that it was just a front). The other 3 had relationships in the past, not too long before coming for a proposition for my brother. My own assumption (which you can count or not, but you probably won't) is that there parents found out that they are not so "innocent" and decided to get them married before any other shameful act hits them. Now unless you want to tell me that this is just bad luck, bad timing or lies, that was ALL of the women that came to see my brother. All of them, I've known growing up and to find these things out was shocking for me, let alone my brother who has always practiced the Deen. This won't change the reality of the situation that stares you in the face.

    It's funny that statistically, the chances of a woman doing those acts are so high and yet, I'm supposed to defend my "Muslim sisters" because they don't want their feelings hurt (boo hoo). The few pockets of good sisters tend to look for brothers who are scholars, upright in every stage of life and fit the category of the "alpha male". Of course, that itself makes no sense in Islam but again, its another reality that Muslim men are faced with.

    I'm not here to play the judge, but I hate it when Muslim women tend to pretend they are these precious, pure Muslims and act like they are in line with the Ummahatul Mumineen (r.a) when they are nothing but trash, tools to a means for the future. They are responsible for the outlook men have towards them nowadays and they deserve the ill-treatment they recieve. It is obvious that the whole concept of a love-filled, happy marriage is long gone, thus rendering it only for the needs of sex and producing children. Lets at least keep that.
    I definitely agree with you! Though this is the harsh reality, at times you've gotta speak the truth without any sugar coating. Current reality of how deceived both sisters and brothers get is surreal. Never is the good and bad the same in Allah's sight! Honestly some of the stuff I read makes me throw up. Wallahul musta'anu 3alal mumineen.

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  • ugabs
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by energy View Post
    So, a young girl in Canada was wearing a bikini like everyone else, and you think that is "dodging a bullet"?

    I think it's best we agree to disagree.

    Have a good day.
    A modest person is better than an immodest one. But you know, whatever makes you happy

    Everyone have their preferences

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  • MAS93
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by energy View Post
    Geez, you seem to have many issues with women... Are you a misogynist?
    Yes, I do not like the majority of women in this day and age, Muslim and non-Muslim.

    They serve a purpose and that is it. No different to eating a piece of fruit the next day.

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  • energy
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    I'm not here to play the judge, but I hate it when Muslim women tend to pretend they are these precious, pure Muslims and act like they are in line with the Ummahatul Mumineen (r.a) when they are nothing but trash, tools to a means for the future. They are responsible for the outlook men have towards them nowadays and they deserve the ill-treatment they recieve. It is obvious that the whole concept of a love-filled, happy marriage is long gone, thus rendering it only for the needs of sex and producing children. Lets at least keep that.
    Geez, you seem to have many issues with women... Are you a misogynist?

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  • energy
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by ugabs View Post
    dodged a bullet bro

    thank Allah by praying a few nawaafil and move on
    So, a young girl in Canada was wearing a bikini like everyone else, and you think that is "dodging a bullet"?

    I think it's best we agree to disagree.

    Have a good day.

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  • cdn_bro
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    Most non-Muslim women also flaunt about having sex many times a day. The thing is, I can see why, since they don't subscribe to a religion that forbids that.

    What's the excuse of a hijabi doing the same?
    Hijabi sleeping around? !
    Last edited by cdn_bro; 22-12-14, 07:51 AM.

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  • MAS93
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by SheSaid View Post
    Most non Muslim women wear abaya.
    Most non-Muslim women also flaunt about having sex many times a day. The thing is, I can see why, since they don't subscribe to a religion that forbids that.

    What's the excuse of a hijabi doing the same?

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  • MAS93
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by علي View Post
    This is such a bad statement since you're basically assuming that the default situation is the worst in pretty much all Muslim women save the exception, and tbh it's an affront to Islam at large, like it's a religion who's women are generally terrible. I realize that's probably not what you meant, but that's exactly what it sounds like. This couldn't be farther from the truth, but also neglects the fact that societies in general are in a bad state men and women alike. Also you're not going to find better than Muslim women, I'm sure we all know and believe this, so you might as well simply say that's women for you and leave it at that because if these are that bad, the rest are certainly not going to be better.

    I get that people have had bad experiences and seen things etc, but the balanced person should realize there is an entire world out there that is outside the scope of just their surroundings. The majority of remotely practicing Muslim males and females throughout the world, while they do fall into fitan, they generally remain chaste and clean.
    That is the case. Here is an example:

    My brother had 4 women to consider for marriage before going ahead that my parents told him were "family, home-type grils". One was STILL seeing her ex-boyfriend for sexual needs (wore an abaya and hijab too, but obvious from the paint bucket face that it was just a front). The other 3 had relationships in the past, not too long before coming for a proposition for my brother. My own assumption (which you can count or not, but you probably won't) is that there parents found out that they are not so "innocent" and decided to get them married before any other shameful act hits them. Now unless you want to tell me that this is just bad luck, bad timing or lies, that was ALL of the women that came to see my brother. All of them, I've known growing up and to find these things out was shocking for me, let alone my brother who has always practiced the Deen. This won't change the reality of the situation that stares you in the face.

    It's funny that statistically, the chances of a woman doing those acts are so high and yet, I'm supposed to defend my "Muslim sisters" because they don't want their feelings hurt (boo hoo). The few pockets of good sisters tend to look for brothers who are scholars, upright in every stage of life and fit the category of the "alpha male". Of course, that itself makes no sense in Islam but again, its another reality that Muslim men are faced with.

    I'm not here to play the judge, but I hate it when Muslim women tend to pretend they are these precious, pure Muslims and act like they are in line with the Ummahatul Mumineen (r.a) when they are nothing but trash, tools to a means for the future. They are responsible for the outlook men have towards them nowadays and they deserve the ill-treatment they recieve. It is obvious that the whole concept of a love-filled, happy marriage is long gone, thus rendering it only for the needs of sex and producing children. Lets at least keep that.
    Last edited by MAS93; 22-12-14, 07:36 AM.

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  • SheSaid
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    Yes. Most of the time, its things worse than the bikini. That's Muslim women for you.
    Most non Muslim women wear abaya.

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  • Sirius
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by menk View Post
    No, but hearing stories and witnessing what young people do behind closed doors deters me of having kids
    you can only try your best and leave the rest to Allah.

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  • علي
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    Re: brothers.... do ur research.

    Originally posted by MAS93 View Post
    Yes. Most of the time, its things worse than the bikini. That's Muslim women for you.
    This is such a bad statement since you're basically assuming that the default situation is the worst in pretty much all Muslim women save the exception, and tbh it's an affront to Islam at large, like it's a religion who's women are generally terrible. I realize that's probably not what you meant, but that's exactly what it sounds like. This couldn't be farther from the truth, but also neglects the fact that societies in general are in a bad state men and women alike. Also you're not going to find better than Muslim women, I'm sure we all know and believe this, so you might as well simply say that's women for you and leave it at that because if these are that bad, the rest are certainly not going to be better.

    I get that people have had bad experiences and seen things etc, but the balanced person should realize there is an entire world out there that is outside the scope of just their surroundings. The majority of remotely practicing Muslim males and females throughout the world, while they do fall into fitan, they generally remain chaste and clean.

    Leave a comment:

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