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  • #31
    Re: divorce in islam vs west

    Originally posted by Kya View Post
    The title of this tread is not talking about muslim countries, where the imam will register you automatically after nikkah. We are talking about west where they are courts who will charge men if they don't do what they are suppose to do but only if you are registered. If you are not registered you don't have any right according to court and yes if a man is not Islamic & does not fulfill his right, that is between him & allah but on earth the wife is homeless. Why can't the same judgment be used if a women takes more than her share in divorce in west, that's between her & allah. The men shouldn't care about it because she will pay for her wrong doing later in life.
    good comeback lol u win :up:

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    • #32
      Re: divorce in islam vs west

      Originally posted by Kya View Post
      register... why wouldn't anyone register?

      You are not recognized as husband/wife in eyes of law. Whats wrong with being recognized by allah and by law of land.
      Medical benefit only applies to wife. How will sister see doctors and gain medical coverage if she isn't married to her husband and does not work on her own to get medical insurance
      You cant have joint bank account or joint property

      In case of divorce many men will not pay child support even thought islamically they are suppose to. At that point what will you do? go complain to the imam at masjid who wont be able to do much. Atleast if you are registered police can arrest him and make him pay from his paycheck.

      Even the best men among us can turn evil. So better to cover all your ground.
      Best solution is Nikkah only and not to register the marriage. This is why:

      Western Divorce
      Wife gets half assets e.g. house, monies, pension, etc
      Wife gets alimony, e.g. financial support from ex-husband
      Wife normally gets custody of children
      Children get child support from father


      Islamic Talaaq
      Wife gets nothing from husbands assets, e.g. house, monies, etc.
      (Wife still has ownership of all of her property).
      Wife gets no alimony, only the mahr from the nikaah
      Custody of children under 7 to mother
      Custody of children after age of 7 dependant on circumstances
      Children get child support from father

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      • #33
        Re: divorce in islam vs west

        Originally posted by hassaan561 View Post
        i understand what you mean by i hear stories where men get screwed in case of divorce since courts favor women...why can't we follow our own islamic law? we do in every other instance of our life
        We can follow islamic rule, true muslims will follow islamic rule only and others will opt in for kuffar marriage. Yes divorce favors women in the west due to this:
        Western Divorce
        Wife gets half assets e.g. house, monies, pension, etc
        Wife gets alimony, e.g. financial support from ex-husband
        Wife normally gets custody of children
        Children get child support from father

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        • #34
          Re: divorce in islam vs west

          Originally posted by Muslima London View Post
          little teenage boy

          SHUT UP

          someone just told you quite frankly what COULD HAVE HAPENNED if her sisters marriage was not registered.

          it woudl have been a beurecratic nightmare

          imagine if you died in a foreign country and imagine if your 'wife' had to prove that she was your wife in order to deal with the paperwork of getting you buried etc etc. i'm guessing here buti have no doubt that there wll be many hindrances taht you adn i are not aware of
          You got to be kidding me lady, the amount of men I've seen screwed over by women due to unjust kuffar laws is unreal, am beginning to think very negatively about you and what spells to my mind about you and that other girl Kya is GG.

          Western Divorce
          Wife gets half assets e.g. house, monies, pension, etc - absolutely unfair and unjust completely.
          Wife gets alimony, e.g. financial support from ex-husband - unfair again he has to pay even if he gets married again.
          Wife normally gets custody of children
          Children get child support from father


          Islamic Talaaq
          Wife gets nothing from husbands assets, e.g. house, monies, etc. -
          (Wife still has ownership of all of her property).
          Wife gets no alimony, only the mahr from the nikaah
          Custody of children under 7 to mother
          Custody of children after age of 7 dependant on circumstances
          Children get child support from father

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          • #35
            Re: divorce in islam vs west

            Originally posted by hassaan561 View Post
            ok but if there is a divorce, whose decision do you follow? the courts decision or what islam says to do...they are similar but there are some differences... like in islam, if the women initiates the divorce, she either loses half or all of the mahr.
            She loses all the mahr if she divorces him, besides women take the court decision over Islamic rulings anyway. Happend to my cousin as well he even showed her it's haram to take something that's not yours but you know what his wife never left a penny which she could not take from him,

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            • #36
              Re: divorce in islam vs west

              Originally posted by n0.n4m3 View Post
              If you register your marriage then if you get divorced she will drink your blood .
              More than that she will ruin your life take everything away from you.

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              • #37
                Re: divorce in islam vs west

                Originally posted by Khadijah_24 View Post
                It says a lot about the state of the Ummah if young unmarried men already fear divorce.
                Don't fear being given a khula, am only advocating that the islamic method is the best method and people shouldn't use the kuffar laws especially if there is more negativity in it.

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                • #38
                  Re: divorce in islam vs west

                  Originally posted by Kya View Post
                  So by registering men get screwed in case of divorce because the women might want more than her Islamic share
                  by not registering women get screwed in case of divorce because the men might not give her, her Islamic right

                  The debate of register vs. non is really about who is better off being screwed: husband vs. wife.

                  btw its not the man that gets screwed in divorce.. .its the couple with the most money that gets screwed. Even if its the wife who earns the most money, she will have to give her husband half.
                  Most of the time its the men with most of the money, ironically some women are now getting screwed to buy the courts buts its still majority of the time its men.

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                  • #39
                    Re: divorce in islam vs west

                    Originally posted by hassaan561 View Post
                    i don't wanna start a battle of the sexes...all i'm saying is islamic law is more just to BOTH sides that's why i would rather use that...and yes if a guy doesn't do what's he's suppose to islamically and doesn't pay the mahr thats between him and god...i'm sure in muslim countries there are courts who charge men who do that...
                    Exactly only GD's will disagree with this that the islamic method is more just to both than the kuffar method.

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                    • #40
                      Re: divorce in islam vs west

                      Originally posted by raze599 View Post
                      I'm not entirely sure of this western divorce law. Is it absolutely required for the less well off one to take half of the others money? Or is it optional?

                      Because many on this forum are saying if we divorce she will take half of my money, but that will only happen if her religion doesnt turn out to be as good as you thought. If you divorced for any other general incompatibility then she won't take your money because she fears Allah.
                      You really think people fear Allah when it comes to divorce?.... you have a lot to learn my friend.

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                      • #41
                        Re: divorce in islam vs west

                        Originally posted by xFedal View Post
                        You got to be kidding me lady, the amount of men I've seen screwed over by women due to unjust kuffar laws is unreal, am beginning to think very negatively about you and what spells to my mind about you and that other girl Kya is GG.

                        Western Divorce
                        Wife gets half assets e.g. house, monies, pension, etc - absolutely unfair and unjust completely.
                        Wife gets alimony, e.g. financial support from ex-husband - unfair again he has to pay even if he gets married again.
                        Wife normally gets custody of children
                        Children get child support from father


                        Islamic Talaaq
                        Wife gets nothing from husbands assets, e.g. house, monies, etc. -
                        (Wife still has ownership of all of her property).
                        Wife gets no alimony, only the mahr from the nikaah
                        Custody of children under 7 to mother
                        Custody of children after age of 7 dependant on circumstances
                        Children get child support from father

                        dont care what you think and what is gg?????

                        and you do realise taht any 'alimony' granted to the mother is for the costs of the children nto for herself and why should the ex husband give up his maintenance towards HIS children just because the mother has remarried. its HIS children, not the new husbands. on the day of judgement the children will be callsed as son of so and so (name of biolgoiical father), not their step fathers.

                        personally i dont think anything should go towards the ex wife but then recognise this, when a woman marries, she foregoes her career and years and years of progress in her career to give it up and keep house. She should be offered some form of compensation and the western divorce system aims to address this
                        Ibnul Qayyim رحمه الله said: "Donít ruin your happiness with worry, and donít ruin your mind with pessimism. Donít ruin your success with deception and donít ruin the optimism of others by destroying it. Donít ruin your day by looking back at yesterday.
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                        If you think about your situation, you will find that Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) has given you things without asking, so have trust in Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) that He doesnít prevent anything you want except there is goodness for you.

                        You could be sleeping and the doors of the heavens are being opened with duaías being made on your behalf, SubhanAllaah: perhaps from someone poor whom you helped, or someone sad whom you brought joy, or someone passing by and you smiled at him, or someone in distress and you removed it.. so donít ever underestimate any good deeds."



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                        • #42
                          Re: divorce in islam vs west

                          Originally posted by Kya View Post
                          The title of this tread is not talking about muslim countries, where the imam will register you automatically after nikkah. We are talking about west where they are courts who will charge men if they don't do what they are suppose to do but only if you are registered. If you are not registered you don't have any right according to court and yes if a man is not Islamic & does not fulfill his right, that is between him & allah but on earth the wife is homeless. Why can't the same judgment be used if a women takes more than her share in divorce in west, that's between her & allah. The men shouldn't care about it because she will pay for her wrong doing later in life.
                          How exactly is a women homeless if she is divorced its her walis responsibility to take care of her. Your kidding me we don't have to follow unjust rules, that's why we follow the Islamic ruling

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                          • #43
                            Re: divorce in islam vs west

                            Originally posted by xfedal View Post
                            exactly only gd's will disagree with this that the islamic method is more just to both than the kuffar method.


                            did you jsut refer to me as a gold digger???????
                            Ibnul Qayyim رحمه الله said: "Donít ruin your happiness with worry, and donít ruin your mind with pessimism. Donít ruin your success with deception and donít ruin the optimism of others by destroying it. Donít ruin your day by looking back at yesterday.
                            __________________________________________________ _____________________________
                            If you think about your situation, you will find that Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) has given you things without asking, so have trust in Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) that He doesnít prevent anything you want except there is goodness for you.

                            You could be sleeping and the doors of the heavens are being opened with duaías being made on your behalf, SubhanAllaah: perhaps from someone poor whom you helped, or someone sad whom you brought joy, or someone passing by and you smiled at him, or someone in distress and you removed it.. so donít ever underestimate any good deeds."



                            please donate to the Ummah forum sadaqa jariya project. Click on the link for for more information, and to make a donation- https://www.justgiving.com/sadaqah-jariyah-project/

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                            • #44
                              Re: divorce in islam vs west

                              Originally posted by hassaan561 View Post
                              good comeback lol u win :up:
                              No! She hasn't won.

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                              • #45
                                Re: divorce in islam vs west

                                Originally posted by Muslima London View Post
                                did you jsut refer to me as a gold digger???????
                                If you think that kuffar method is more just and better then islamic one then yes in my opinion you may be considered one.

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