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  • #31
    Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

    Originally posted by Abu Jaffar View Post
    Be careful of making up your own fatwa brother, I don't know anyone who gave the same fatwa as yours. Adorning the Face for females is not permissible, even if she's going through the same phase as you mentioned.
    I read a fatwa (from islam-qa if I am not mistaken) about covering scars is allowed, i dont know about acne

    I cant find the actual fatwa, but if using plastic surgery to remove scars is allowed, then using makeup to hide it seems like the same thing

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/13022/scar
    Last edited by IDK; 19-11-10, 08:33 AM.
    " O you who have believed, do not follow the footsteps of Satan. And whoever follows the footsteps of Satan - indeed, he enjoins immorality and wrongdoing. And if not for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy, not one of you would have been pure, ever, but Allah purifies whom He wills, and Allah is Hearing and Knowing. "
    Surah An-Nur, Verse 21

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    • #32
      Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

      Originally posted by IDK View Post
      I read a fatwa (from islam-qa if I am not mistaken) about covering scars is allowed, i dont know about acne

      I cant find the actual fatwa, but if using plastic surgery to remove scars is allowed, then using makeup to hide it seems like the same thing

      http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/13022/scar
      No these are two different things, seeking remedy is something prescribed in religion, for instance plastic surgery generally is not permitted,, but if it was for specific reasons like burns, scars etc.. then it is permitted. Because we have a source for such analogy, on the other hand make-up has no origin to be deduced from.
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      • #33
        Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

        Originally posted by Abu Jaffar View Post
        No these are two different things, seeking remedy is something prescribed in religion, for instance plastic surgery generally is not permitted,, but if it was for specific reasons like burns, scars etc.. then it is permitted. Because we have a source for such analogy, on the other hand make-up has no origin to be deduced from.
        well, I am not going to discuss this further as I dont have evidence, but I fail to see the difference

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        " O you who have believed, do not follow the footsteps of Satan. And whoever follows the footsteps of Satan - indeed, he enjoins immorality and wrongdoing. And if not for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy, not one of you would have been pure, ever, but Allah purifies whom He wills, and Allah is Hearing and Knowing. "
        Surah An-Nur, Verse 21

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        • #34
          Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

          Brothers shouldn't be looking at sisters/women, make-up or no make-up.
          I haven't actually noticed anyone with make up...everyone looks normal to me if I happen to see them. Unless, of coursee, their face is red.
          But, that's not the point of the thread. :p
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          • #35
            Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

            Originally posted by .mirror. View Post
            Brothers shouldn't be looking at sisters/women, make-up or no make-up.
            I haven't actually noticed anyone with make up...everyone looks normal to me if I happen to see them. Unless, of coursee, their face is red.
            But, that's not the point of the thread. :p
            all the more reason to cover discoloration :P
            " O you who have believed, do not follow the footsteps of Satan. And whoever follows the footsteps of Satan - indeed, he enjoins immorality and wrongdoing. And if not for the favor of Allah upon you and His mercy, not one of you would have been pure, ever, but Allah purifies whom He wills, and Allah is Hearing and Knowing. "
            Surah An-Nur, Verse 21

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            • #36
              Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

              Well how would you know whether a sister has bad scars or acne etc unless you were paying very close attention to her face which btw as a brother you shouldnt be doing so anyway!! i mean im a sister and even i dont look at sisters thattt closely to notice whether their makeup is for beautification purposes or other purposes such as covering acne/scars. Dont understand how brothers *know* these details without it entailing them gazing at sisters to which i would respond.. STOP LOOKING!
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              • #37
                Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                Originally posted by Zesty View Post
                Well how would you know whether a sister has bad scars or acne etc unless you were paying very close attention to her face which btw as a brother you shouldnt be doing so anyway!! i mean im a sister and even i dont look at sisters thattt closely to notice whether their makeup is for beautification purposes or other purposes such as covering acne/scars. Dont understand how brothers *know* these details without it entailing them gazing at sisters to which i would respond.. STOP LOOKING!
                I was talking about a ruling, doesn't mean that im staring.
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                • #38
                  Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                  :wswrwb:

                  Personally me no like make up and obviously it defeats the entire purpose of hijab anyway and it sends out the wrong message. I can't justify it at all except by saying that some people are influenced by others, so you can look at one's company/friends/social group (and that is what i have found to be the main reason why some wear make-up).

                  About covering one's scars or facial imperfections then i don't think they should with make-up, you are who you are and it's about accepting your face and body for the way it is.

                  But again if some sisters don't understand/or are ignorant then that's different to those who clearly know it's not allowed.

                  Also what is the ruling of wearing kohl outside?
                  (The hypocrites) will call the believers: "Were we not with you?" The believers will reply: "Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations, you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith); and you were deceived by false desires, till the Command of Allah came to pass. And the chief deceiver (Satan) deceived you in respect of Allah."57:14

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                  • #39
                    Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                    Originally posted by 1MuslimByChoice View Post
                    :wswrwb:

                    Personally me no like make up and obviously it defeats the entire purpose of hijab anyway and it sends out the wrong message. I can't justify it at all except by saying that some people are influenced by others, so you can look at one's company/friends/social group (and that is what i have found to be the main reason why some wear make-up).

                    About covering one's scars or facial imperfections then i don't think they should with make-up, you are who you are and it's about accepting your face and body for the way it is.

                    But again if some sisters don't understand/or are ignorant then that's different to those who clearly know it's not allowed.

                    Also what is the ruling of wearing kohl outside?
                    Why is it not permissible to wear kohl when going out of the house?.

                    Praise be to Allaah.
                    Every believing woman is obliged to cover her beauty and adornment before non-mahram men, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
                    “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of feminine sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”
                    [al-Noor 24:31]
                    Adornment includes kohl, makeup, jewellery, etc.
                    With regard to the words at the beginning of the verse – “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent” – what is meant by “that which is apparent” is the clothing, abayah (outer garment) and headcover, and whatever appears unintentionally, because of the wind, for example.
                    Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: i.e., she should not show anything of her adornment to non-mahrams, apart from that which cannot be hidden. Ibn Mas’ood said: Such as the rida ‘ (cloak) and clothes, i.e., what the Arab women used to wear of a miqna’ (a kind of outer garment) and what appears below from the garment. There is no sin in that, because this is something that cannot be hidden. That is like what appears of a woman’s lower garment, and what cannot be hidden.
                    End quote from Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/274
                    Some of the scholars interpreted the external adornment as referring to the face and hands, but that is a less correct view, because there is a great deal of evidence that shows that it is obligatory for a woman to cover her face. See questions no. 11774
                    The scholar Muhammad al-Ameen al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The more correct of the two views in my opinion is the view of Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the external adornment is that which when one looks at it, one cannot see any part of the woman’s body. We say that this view is more correct because it is the most cautious view, and is farthest removed from causes of fitnah, and is purest for the hearts of men and women. It is obvious that a woman’s face is the focus of her beauty, and seeing it is one of the greatest means of temptation. As is well known in sharee’ah, this is the best means of avoiding falling into something haraam.
                    End quote from Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 6/200
                    The basic principle is that a woman should cover her entire face, but it is permissible for her to uncover her eyes so that she may see, subject to the condition that showing her eyes will not lead to any fitnah due to her wearing kohl or having wide openings in her niqaab.
                    The evidence for this concession in wearing niqaab and uncovering the eyes is the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (1838) from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him), according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman in ihraam should not wear niqaab or wear gloves.” This indicates that it is permissible for women who are not in ihraam for Hajj or ‘Umrah to wear niqaab.
                    Abu ‘Ubayd said, describing the niqaab that was worn by the Arabs: It is that which shows the eye-socket; they used to call it al-waswasah and al-burqa’. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 17/171
                    The reason why it is haraam to show this adornment is so as to protect women’s chastity and honour, and to close the door to temptation and prevent her being tempted or tempting others. Those who are sick at heart may have hopes concerning those who show their adornment, but they will leave the one who is modest and covered alone.
                    Islam closes the doors that lead to men being tempted by women and vice versa. Islam enjoins lowering the gaze and forbids tabarruj (wanton display), free mixing and being alone with women. Women are warned against going out wearing perfume or travelling without a mahram. This is reflective of the perfection of Islam, for men by nature are affected by women, and if this is not prevented then there will be much fitnah (temptation and tribulation), and corruption will become widespread, as we can see in societies that have neglected the guidelines and rulings of sharee’ah.
                    It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (17/128): Many women in Egypt put kohl on their eyes, and if I tell them that wearing it for adornment is haraam, they say that it is Sunnah. Is that true?
                    Answer: Using kohl is prescribed in Islam, but it is not permissible for a woman to show any of her adornment, whether that is kohl or anything else, to anyone other than her husband or mahrams, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands…” End quote.
                    In conclusion: it is not permissible for a woman to wear kohl in front of none-mahram men, because it comes under the heading of adornment which she is required to conceal. If she is going from one house to another, where no non-mahram will see her, then there is nothing wrong with her wearing kohl in that case.
                    And Allaah knows best.


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                    • #40
                      Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                      Originally posted by Fuaadh View Post
                      To those sis's saying makeup makes them more secure, why can't you wear the niqaab, isn't that much much more secure?
                      Not if 'secure' means 'looking normal and blending in with everyone else'. I'm not knocking it, but niqab in the West just doesn't work for that.

                      Every fatwa I've read draws a distinction between covering imperfections, and mascara/eyeliner/lipstick, etc. For the latter, I don't get it either, but at least it's drawing attention to the face, rather than the body (by showing it or wearing tight clothes).

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                      • #41
                        Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                        Originally posted by aiesha_kiwi View Post
                        answer in a few words, Yes I can.. And I don't think it is anyone elses business on what I wear or if I wear make-up. There is a true saying that goes, "clean up your own backyard before trying to clean up someone elses".. In other words Allah is my judge not man.
                        yes and know that Allah will judge you... and you are doing something that is not prescribed.... so this is not anyone judging you... but be aware when others advice you for good.. you take it or be silent, coz the tone of the way you spoke is very childish.
                        Last edited by QMU; 19-11-10, 12:07 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                          Originally posted by PurpleMuslimah View Post
                          Not if 'secure' means 'looking normal and blending in with everyone else'. I'm not knocking it, but niqab in the West just doesn't work for that.

                          Every fatwa I've read draws a distinction between covering imperfections, and mascara/eyeliner/lipstick, etc. For the latter, I don't get it either, but at least it's drawing attention to the face, rather than the body (by showing it or wearing tight clothes).
                          im not getting into issue of niqaab, but the face is the center point of attraction.... so dont rule out niqaab coz you dont blend in with the women wearing short skirts and whatnot... while wearing niqaab, you dont care about looking normal and blending.. your in your own world... secure... id like to think sisters who wear it and not get pressurised by society and cultute to show their bodies and face... are secure alhamdulilah

                          mind my words... a man would look for the face before he checks the rest :S.... so drawing attention to the face rather than body... is no way choosing the lesser of 2 evils as you are trying to put it.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                            Originally posted by QMU View Post
                            im not getting into issue of niqaab, but the face is the center point of attraction.... so dont rule out niqaab coz you dont blend in with the women wearing short skirts and whatnot... while wearing niqaab, you dont care about looking normal and blending.. your in your own world... secure... id like to think sisters who wear it and not get pressurised by society and cultute to show their bodies and face... are secure alhamdulilah

                            mind my words... a man would look for the face before he checks the rest :S.... so drawing attention to the face rather than body... is no way choosing the lesser of 2 evils as you are trying to put it.
                            I didn't rule it out, but it was suggested in response to sisters who wanted to avoid standing out. Someone who's unhappy because they don't 'blend in' probably won't be happy wearing it. That's probably not the best attitude to have in general, but putting on niqab won't make someone magically stop caring about it. It's possible to wear niqab and be miserable because you stand out, and it's possible to wear very little and genuinely not care what anyone else thinks of it. To me, they're separate issues.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                              Originally posted by aiesha_kiwi View Post
                              answer in a few words, Yes I can.. And I don't think it is anyone elses business on what I wear or if I wear make-up. There is a true saying that goes, "clean up your own backyard before trying to clean up someone elses".. In other words Allah is my judge not man.
                              وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ وَمَنْ يَعْصِ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا مُبِينًا (36) سورة الأحزاب
                              36.


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                              • #45
                                Re: Ladies ; can you justify wearing makeup when you leave the house ?

                                assalamu alaykum,

                                firstly, when you see a sister wearing make up, you shouldnt automatically assume that she's looking for attention or she's intentionally wearing make up to show off her adornment.

                                When i started practising the deen of Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala, i honestly did not know that you are not allowed to wear make up! I started wearing hijaab/abaya/gloves etc and thought a little bit of make up won't do any harm! Yes, i was mistaken BUT did any of the sisters stop me and say ya ukhtee you shouldnt be wearing this, ya ukhtee this is not hijaab, ya ukhtee you are defeating the purpose of wearing hijaab? No! Rather they would entertain my foolishness and say I look nice and ask me where i got certain things from and compliment me day in and day out.

                                This was from sisters that are doing 'alimah' courses and things of a religious nature, so to be fair, i thought what i was doing was o.k.

                                Also, brothers didnt help either, bearded brothers giving comments, men in thoubs smiling etc etc. You have to understand that when you come from jahilliyah, all this is normal and maybe its a trick of the shayateen and his army, but you dont really think of make up as that bad.

                                then, one day a couple gave me da'wah and made me understand the true purpose of hijaab and made me realise that although i am in an extra long black abaya, a hijaab and gloves, i am still not in proper hijaab! walahil azeem how their words helped me.

                                So, to sum up, not all women understand that make up in not allowed. When you have been brought up in an islamic environment and your mother doesnt wear make up and you are not allowed to wear make up, then you can understand this, but if your up bringing has been more artificial/materialistic, its not as easy for us to understand how a little bit of make up can do harm

                                but alhumdu'lillah, once you understand the deen of Allah subhanahu wa ta'aala, you come to know and you have to start educating yourselves, because unfortunately, some brothers and sisters will see you doing wrong, they will laugh at you, mock you and maybe even come onto an internet forum and discuss you, but they will never tell you.
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