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    Saudi scholars lock horns in debate on new forms of marriages

    Riyadh: With the end of summer — a time when many weddings take place in Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries — the local media is rife with reports announcing religious edicts surrounding marriages.

    Under new forms of marriage including Misyar, Misfar (travel), Misyaaf (summer), Siyahi (tourist), friendship and lastly Wanasa (conversation), many Saudi and Arab Gulf tourists — who spend their summer holidays abroad — are reportedly engaging in temporary marriages with young girls and divorcing them before returning home. All of these new forms have stirred religious, ethical and social controversies.

    Shaikh Saleh Al Sadlan, a member of the Saudi Supreme Council of Senior Scholars and professors of higher religious studies at the Imam Mohammad Bin Saudi Islamic University, stirred a controversy by approving the Wanasa form of marriage, which does not include sexual relations between a man and his wife.

    Al Sadlan said that scholars of the past had approved such a form of marriage, which focuses only on talking, without having sex.

    This, he said, used to happen between old men, who needed attention, and young women who didn't mind giving it in return for the status and security associated with marriage.

    He added that the wife — in a Wanasa form of marriage — enjoys all other rights including accommodation, a dowry and alimony. Al Sadlan made this ruling when answering a question from a woman who questioned the legitimacy of a marriage in which there was no sexual relationship between the couple.

    Legalised

    Dr Abdul Mohsin Al Obaikan, a member of the Shoura Council and a counsellor at the Justice Ministry, has also approved the Wanasa marriage, describing it as legal and as per Sharia.

    However, Dr Mohammad Al Nujaimi, professor of Civil Studies at King Fahd Security College and a member of the Islamic Fiqh (jurisprudence) Academy, is totally against the Wanasa marriage, adding that he considers it illegal. "How could a woman abandon her rights to have sex in married life?" he said.

    He said any woman who accepts this kind of marriage does it only for worldly gain. He added that if an old, sick man, suffering from a number of diseases, perhaps diabetes, high blood pressure or arthritis, married a woman who had the same diseases, just so he could talk to her, then the marriage might be permissible

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    wow that really dumb especallly that last one.

    who marries for conversational purposes? where the fun in that?

    like here is a scenario:

    wife: hon, lets go out for a date!
    man: what kind of date? a talking date?
    wife: yeah!
    man: *fakes smile* ok.

    ide rather stop on a bed of nails then putmyself through that tourture.


    in all seriousness why is saudi allowing murtah marrages? did sombody get droped on their head as a child and is not in government?
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      ^^ You think having a conversation with your wife is a form of torture?

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        So what will the difference between temporary marriages (muta) of Shias and the different forms of temporary marriages of saudis.

        btw who's legalizing such so called marriages?
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          This is nothing Less then the Zina known as Mutah marriages (Which Deviant Shias still practice) which were Banned by Rasulullah :saw:, disguised under another name ...

          May Allah ta'ala remove such people who engage in this filth of the earth or return them to Al-Islam.

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            first of all some these marriages are not meant to be temporary, they are meant to be perminent. the problem is the rich saudis are using their wealth to contract these forms of marriage knowing full well when they tire of her they will divorce her, so some people, though not all are going into the marriages with the intention of it being a temporary arrangement so it is the intention which makes it like mutah marriage not the contract itself.

            Misyar in itself is useful in limited circumstances, where a couple cannot afford marriage, but fear zina so they marry but dont live together, or she gives up some other rights, or in the case of a sister who cannot find a husband but a man is prepared to marry her as long as she doesnt ask for all of her rights.

            as for summer and travel marriages - the purpose seems to be clearly temporary, just from their name, is there actually any scholars who have approved these or has it just been lumped in with the rest to make it appear so and to attack the scholars as the secular press in the middle east is increasingly doing these days?
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              Originally posted by dawud_uk View Post
              first of all some these marriages are not meant to be temporary, they are meant to be perminent. the problem is the rich saudis are using their wealth to contract these forms of marriage knowing full well when they tire of her they will divorce her, so some people, though not all are going into the marriages with the intention of it being a temporary arrangement so it is the intention which makes it like mutah marriage not the contract itself.

              Misyar in itself is useful in limited circumstances, where a couple cannot afford marriage, but fear zina so they marry but dont live together, or she gives up some other rights, or in the case of a sister who cannot find a husband but a man is prepared to marry her as long as she doesnt ask for all of her rights.
              as if there don't used to be ppl in times of Prophet Muhammad Saw' who cudn't afford marriage. Did he saw' approved any such form?
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                I was expecting an article about Shias...

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                  Originally posted by Khalid b. Walid View Post
                  I was expecting an article about Shias...
                  i don't see any difference.................
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                    Originally posted by imran1976 View Post
                    So what will the difference between temporary marriages (muta) of Shias and the different forms of temporary marriages of saudis.

                    btw who's legalizing such so called marriages?
                    Mutah is a marriage which contractually ends after a specific period and that's not allowed. What is allowed is marriage and divorce.

                    Originally posted by RazielTemp View Post
                    This is nothing Less then the Zina known as Mutah marriages (Which Deviant Shias still practice) which were Banned by Rasulullah :saw:, disguised under another name ...

                    May Allah ta'ala remove such people who engage in this filth of the earth or return them to Al-Islam.

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                    Have you studied the rulings? Are you even qualified to comment on these rulings? Do you even understand what specifically makes Muta haraam? Or are you just another ignorant person who feels he/she can comment on anything with impunity?
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                      Originally posted by YasirH View Post
                      Mutah is a marriage which contractually ends after a specific period and that's not allowed. What is allowed is marriage and divorce.
                      even the misyar sounds weird. the other forms mentioned are just funny.

                      who has legalized this form of misyar, Salafis?
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                        Originally posted by imran1976 View Post
                        as if there don't used to be ppl in times of Prophet Muhammad Saw' who cudn't afford marriage. Did he saw' approved any such form?
                        the point is it permissable for a woman to agree in her marriage contract to give up some of her rights, or are you disagreeing with this principle?
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                          Summer and Tourist marriage? And there's no Winter/Spring or Autumn marriage? Why only summer not fair
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                            Originally posted by dawud_uk View Post
                            the point is it permissable for a woman to agree in her marriage contract to give up some of her rights, or are you disagreeing with this principle?
                            the permissibility is coming from those who aren't tired of accusing others of innovation. Now plz prove from Quran and Sunnah this form of marriage. I have read the conditions of this marriage, to me it's a joke and nothing more than fulfilling sexual desires. The other forms, if true, are even bigger joke.
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                              Originally posted by imran1976 View Post
                              the permissibility is coming from those who aren't tired of accusing others of innovation. Now plz prove from Quran and Sunnah this form of marriage. I have read the conditions of this marriage, to me it's a joke and nothing more than fulfilling sexual desires. The other forms, if true, are even bigger joke.
                              i admit the idea of summer and tourist marriages are a joke and obviously mutah under a new name, but like i said, i dont know any scholars who approve them but in this article, most likely from a western or secular middle east newspaper has lumped them all in together to attack the ulema.

                              now one of the points of a misyar marriage is it is frequently about sex, two students want to protect themselves from fitnah but cant afford the house, car, or wait for their degrees, masters, phds people normally demand for marriage do a misyar marriage, or a divorced or even previously unmarried sister cannot find a man to even take her as a 2nd husband, so to pretect herself from the temptation of zina agrees to this form of marriage.

                              but it is meant to be for exceptional circumstances, the problem is due to society in saudi being a bit nuts over their cultural jahiliyyah they are becomming more common as saudi men prevented from marrying normally by culture just fly elsewhere and marry a local girl there this way.

                              now some scholars, the majority approved it as it does not violate the principles of marriage, others such as sheikh al albani disapproved of it because he said it was demeaning to women's position in society.

                              Anyway, here is a qoute from sheikh bin baaz approving, because it fulfills the requirements of a nikkah contract, as stated in the shariah.

                              Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about Misyaar marriage; this kind of marriage is where the man marries a second, third or fourth wife, and the wife is in a situation that compels her to stay with her parents or one of them in her own house, and the husband goes to her at various times depending on the circumstances of both. What is the Islamic ruling on this type of marriage?

                              He replied:

                              There is nothing wrong with that if the marriage contract fulfils all the conditions set out by sharee’ah, which is the presence of the wali and the consent of both partners, and the presence of two witnesses of good character to the drawing up of the contract, and both partners being free of any impediments, because of the general meaning of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The conditions that are most deserving of being fulfilled are those by means of which intimacy becomes permissible for you” and “The Muslims are bound by their conditions.” If the partners agree that the woman will stay with her family or that her share of the husband’s time will be during the day and not during the night, or on certain days or certain nights, there is nothing wrong with that, so long as the marriage is announced and not hidden. End quote.

                              Fataawa ‘Ulama’ al-Balad al-Haraam (p. 450, 451) and Jareedah al-Jazeerah issue no. 8768, Monday 18 Jumaada al-Oola 1417 AH.
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