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  • Count Dracula
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    Its not just white people that come across discrimination. Like sister asiya said the times of the holy prophet Muhammmed pbuh were truely amazing. Let that be an example to us all.

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  • *asiya*
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    Originally posted by ,, -alwaysbeme! View Post
    Firstly, a harsh view of reverts is more common than people admit, and why it's so hard for a revert to marry.
    Even reverts I know have a harsh view of reverts once they've adapted culturally into their spouses family...

    Muqarrib: My apologies, brother for calling you a sister...
    Originally posted by ,, -alwaysbeme! View Post
    How lovely. :)
    All this talk about brotherhood/sisterhood and dodging the subject and someone FINALLY admits it.

    Reverts are doubted, and underestimated, our emaan is questioned constantly.
    People are way more cautious about us, but will never say so outloud.
    People act like our best friends, and then judge us more heavily than they would anyone else when we act through ignorance or make a slight mistake.

    Screw that, and everyone with that attitude. Honestly!! It may SHOCK you, but Muslim IS my identity, brother! It may shock you, but Islam IS my way of life. It may shock you, but I've already roughed more tests when it comes to coming to Islam that born Muslims have no idea even exist for reverts.

    So, whatever. I hope you understand why that post makes me so mad...Not to mention that PREVALENT and IGNORANT attitude in our community.

    May Allah SWT stregnthen us as an Ummah AND FINALLY unite us. Ameeeeeeeen!!

    I'm beginning to wonder why I ever bothered with the community...

    Oh, and if we're so comparible to cars...Why even bother speaking to us? I mean, you don't know where we've been...
    Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
    i would have to agree actually with alwaysbeme on this one as with my short experience as a revert ive come to the conclusion that im not (apparently) worth as much as a born muslim.

    however im not cynical about it. i really dont care actually.

    like, they think i dont understand urdu lol....but i know when they arre calling me a kaffir behind my back, questioning my eeman, saying that their daughters dont belong with my kind, and other things.


    its nice to hear the truth once in a while though. at least im a car now. thats a step up.
    Originally posted by ,, -alwaysbeme! View Post
    I don't see how I'm losing a thing by expressing my anger towards a CLEAR injustice. At all.

    See, this is why I said I've 'resigned myself' - I'm so much happier just not thinking about how people seem to want to make me feel inferior.
    bro as you know what the muslims do or say, isnt always islamic. the only way i got through was remembering how the muslims were with each other in the time of rasoolAllah :saw: all of them reverts, many of them had non muslim families who were physically fighting the muslims. but when people came to islam, they welcomed each other to the degree one man said to another take half my wealth, and will divorce one of my wives so u can marry her. subhanAllah this is the brotherhood of islam. The way muslims behave today, is far removed from the ways of islam. we have people so entrenched in their own culture, and so ignorant in their understanding of brotherhood in this deen, that leaves reverts and muslims of other races too totally ostracisied- because the clear fact is so many muslims today have racial issues that they hide under the guise of "preference" or "cultrue" or "my family says" No matter how they justify these ideas, they are not islamic, they have no basis in our deen at all, and they are clearly far from the ways of the attitudes of the sahabbah.

    take comfort in knowing that Allah ta ala is the one in control, and with sabr and trust in Allah, you will in time insha Allah come to find yourself amongst people where these attitudes dont exist, where you are regarded as one of the muslims, regardless of your race, whether you are a revert or not. took many years for me, but along the way i did find a few gems from the muslims to support me, who didnt make me feel i was any different, and who didnt judge me based on my family, my "status" as a born or revert muslim, or on my race, who welcomed me as part of their family. they do exist, but they are rare, but those precious gems wont be found everywhere, so until you come to meet them take comfort in the history of the sahabbah and the sahabiyat, because they are our true examples of how islam should be practiced.

    nice thread here with some beautiful examples.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...rhood-in-Islam

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  • .Hajar.
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    is this like suppose to be a serious thread..?

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  • Safiyyah89
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    Originally posted by ,, -alwaysbeme! View Post
    Safiyyah, Melbourne Australia...In my experience, because I'm not willing to become or act cultural like something I simply am not, or kiss anyone's ***, I'm below their feet.
    i dont know anything about life in australia but subhanallah it makes me sad reading about what u and uncle umar go through

    i didnt know it was this like this, but akhi this is ur test from allah(swt), be patient and inshallah u will find someone worth ur time whose family will luv and respect u

    ive gotta get off now cuz its really late or i would have written more, but inshallah never loose hope akhi

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  • afrasayab
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    Originally posted by ,, -alwaysbeme! View Post
    I don't see how I'm losing a thing by expressing my anger towards a CLEAR injustice. At all.

    See, this is why I said I've 'resigned myself' - I'm so much happier just not thinking about how people seem to want to make me feel inferior.
    That is the way things are... ummah is not a one big happy family where everyone lives in peace and harmony. We wouldn't be on this forum expressing our real life frustrations if that was the case. You think you are the only one who has issues? There are loads good born muslims who can't get married for one reason or another...
    In the end all this is an excuse....Allah knows best, and if Allah wants you to get married then you will and if Allah has not decreed that for you well.... All you can do is tie your camel.

    I don't get frustrated or angry at ppl coz i realize that they are just the tools to test you, pieces on the chessboard... ultimately Allah is in control and it will come to past what Allah has ordained for you.

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  • uncle umar
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    he dose have a point. tis a clear injustice

    however, dont be so dramatic about it lol. and never resign yourself. thats basicly surrendering.

    never surrender.

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  • ,, -alwaysbeme!
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    I don't see how I'm losing a thing by expressing my anger towards a CLEAR injustice. At all.

    See, this is why I said I've 'resigned myself' - I'm so much happier just not thinking about how people seem to want to make me feel inferior.

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  • afrasayab
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    Originally posted by ,, -alwaysbeme! View Post
    How lovely. :)
    All this talk about brotherhood/sisterhood and dodging the subject and someone FINALLY admits it.

    Reverts are doubted, and underestimated, our emaan is questioned constantly.
    People are way more cautious about us, but will never say so outloud.
    People act like our best friends, and then judge us more heavily than they would anyone else when we act through ignorance or make a slight mistake.

    Screw that, and everyone with that attitude. Honestly!! It may SHOCK you, but Muslim IS my identity, brother! It may shock you, but Islam IS my way of life. It may shock you, but I've already roughed more tests when it comes to coming to Islam that born Muslims have no idea even exist for reverts.

    So, whatever. I hope you understand why that post makes me so mad...Not to mention that PREVALENT and IGNORANT attitude in our community.

    May Allah SWT stregnthen us as an Ummah AND FINALLY unite us. Ameeeeeeeen!!

    I'm beginning to wonder why I ever bothered with the community...

    Oh, and if we're so comparible to cars...Why even bother speaking to us? I mean, you don't know where we've been...
    Calm down dude, you are not giving a favour yourself by acting like this. I maybe being devil's advocate but i am simply presenting a reason for why reverts especially male have harder time marrying. It is the parents right to know the person who their daughter is going to marry, and as i said before it becomes more challenging for them if they don't know your family or don't know you out side of the masjid, even if they don't have any other issues with you being a revert. Hence, the example of a car without history... btw i said USED car ;)

    I would prob get the same treatment if i ask an arab parent for their daughters hand because they don't know my culture or my family. Although personally i have met some really nice ppl....

    Most of the time truth is bitter...

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  • ,, -alwaysbeme!
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    Pippin, I've alreasy expressed my misgivings, so can we please drop it? I'm very grateful the offer has been extended - but it's not something that sits well with me.
    I've NEVER been okay with meeting people online, if that's my only option and I'm closing the door, then so be it. I mean, why should it be my only option, am I not a Muslim like everyone else here? I know myself well enough to know I'm ready for marriage, I'm also aware enough of my surroundings to know why no one thinks I'm worthy. Oh well, I'll deal with that inshaAllah! My point being is, why should it be my only option, as I am a Muslim - just like every other married/engaged brother who didn't rely on internet connections to get married?
    Bottom line: I shouldn't have to take huge risks and be thrown out of my comfort zone to fulfill a desire that at the end of the day is my right to try and fulfill when I am able and ready to!!!!

    Got it?
    I hope so.
    I'm sick of repeating that!!

    Umar, we are one in the same with our situations. May Allah SWT make it easy for you. Ameen.

    Pippin, tell us the right places, then? Cause if it's not the Masjid, or people we've met there - then where is it? Are we missing out on some kind of secret meeting or information nights or something? Ya Allah, stop saying we're going about things the wrong way when you have no idea where we've looked or what we've been told!
    It's very frustrating.
    In closing to this paragraph, if the community is the wrong place - where is the right place? I'm seriously dying to know.

    Safiyyah, Melbourne Australia...In my experience, because I'm not willing to become or act cultural like something I simply am not, or kiss anyone's ***, I'm below their feet.

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  • Safiyyah89
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    Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
    ya plannin on moving inshallah.
    ur in canada tho right? y dont u move to toronto? its wayy better here alhamdulillah

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  • uncle umar
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    ya plannin on moving inshallah.

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  • Safiyyah89
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    Originally posted by sunrise View Post
    for sure from marriage to chocolate to nuts and now racists!

    People its jummah allow the bickering please fe sabil illah!
    Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
    i would have to agree actually with alwaysbeme on this one as with my short experience as a revert ive come to the conclusion that im not (apparently) worth as much as a born muslim.

    however im not cynical about it. i really dont care actually.

    like, they think i dont understand urdu lol....but i know when they arre calling me a kaffir behind my back, questioning my eeman, saying that their daughters dont belong with my kind, and other things.


    its nice to hear the truth once in a while though. at least im a car now. thats a step up.
    where do u brothers live?:scratch:

    where i live, reverts arent treated any different then born muslims, they are apart of the community and marry whoever they like, ive got loads of friends who are married to reverts and their families never had a problem with it mashallah

    so if ur area is like this then move to a better area

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  • uncle umar
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    lol i know that they wont like me i dont expect that lol. i was just stating my view is all.

    Allah will bring me to whoever he wills for me, and i have to make the best out of that for his sake.

    also, im not a victem of anything. words are words. cant do anything about that, except have good sabr and dua.

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  • Pippin1376
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    Originally posted by uncle umar View Post
    i would have to agree actually with alwaysbeme on this one as with my short experience as a revert ive come to the conclusion that im not (apparently) worth as much as a born muslim.
    You're looking at the wrong places then. If someone makes you feel like that, then it isn't your fault and you shouldn't let them get to you. Not everyone in the world will like you and some people will put you down, but if you always keep those experiences and not think of the good then you'll always feel like crap and a victim. Be positive and good things will happen.

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  • uncle umar
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    i would have to agree actually with alwaysbeme on this one as with my short experience as a revert ive come to the conclusion that im not (apparently) worth as much as a born muslim.

    however im not cynical about it. i really dont care actually.

    like, they think i dont understand urdu lol....but i know when they arre calling me a kaffir behind my back, questioning my eeman, saying that their daughters dont belong with my kind, and other things.


    its nice to hear the truth once in a while though. at least im a car now. thats a step up.

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