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  • Marrying Outside & Prophet

    This is an excerpt from one of Tariq Jameel’s speeches. Its translated more or less meaning.

    Prophet (saw) married within his clan & outside. How many of our daughters remain unmarried? Only few days ago I got a call from girl ‘my father says you have to marry within the clan & not outside’. She says ‘I am getting old, the ones within my clan are not practicing’. Due to this, parents end up destroying daughters’ lives.

    My Prophet (saw) married within Quraysh:
    1. Aisha
    2. Khadijah
    3. Sawda
    4. Hafsa
    5. Umm Habiba

    Within Quraysh, he (saw) married within rival family Banu Ummaya: Umm Habiba (Abu Sufyan’s daughter).

    He (saw) married outside his clan (Quraysh):
    1. Juwayriyya from Banu Mustaliq tribe
    2. Maymuna from Hilal tribe

    He (saw) married outside Arabs: Safiyya from Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza.

    He (saw) married within his clan, outside his clan and outside his race.

    He (saw) own daughters Ruqayyah and Umm Kulthum got them married to rival family Banu Ummaya. There was rivalry between Banu Ummaya and Banu Hashim.

    First daughter Zainab was married to Abu al As from Banu Ummaya. Ruqayyah and Umm Kulthum to Uthman from Banu Ummaya.

    Only one daughter did he (saw) marry within family that was Fatima to Ali.

    Within family 1 daughter and outside 3 daughters within clan but rivals.

    Why did Prophet (saw) do all of this? He (saw) wanted to leave an example for us.

    https://sheikhonderun.wordpress.com/...tside-prophet/

  • #2
    Thanks for sharing.

    Tribalism, nationalism, race etc. shouldn't interfere with marriage choices. Marry someone who has taqwa and is a practicing Muslim/Muslimah.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Muhammed_Abdullah View Post
      Thanks for sharing.

      Tribalism, nationalism, race etc. shouldn't interfere with marriage choices. Marry someone who has taqwa and is a practicing Muslim/Muslimah.
      What you said is a recipe for disaster.
      ones tribe, culture and race are absolutely critical to marriage.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by m7md View Post

        What you said is a recipe for disaster.
        ones tribe, culture and race are absolutely critical to marriage.
        Maybe for you they are but it doesn't apply for most people.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Muhammed_Abdullah View Post
          Thanks for sharing.

          Tribalism, nationalism, race etc. shouldn't interfere with marriage choices. Marry someone who has taqwa and is a practicing Muslim/Muslimah.
          One is free to marry from their own tribe if they so prefer..

          Originally posted by m7md View Post

          What you said is a recipe for disaster.
          ones tribe, culture and race are absolutely critical to marriage.
          ..that said, we gotta marry those whom we find more suitable in deen/ character

          Islam has not put any restrictions on it, why should we..?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by .Hajar. View Post
            One is free to marry from their own tribe if they so prefer..


            Definitely.

            I was just saying that it shouldn't be a barrier.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

              Maybe for you they are but it doesn't apply for most people.
              If this was the case then this wouldn’t have been the topic here so often, in fact it has always been one of the most critical elements of marriage.

              and honestly why would a women of a prestigious family marry a man from a lower status, ask any woman and they will tell you.

              now wishful thinking is something else.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by .Hajar. View Post
                One is free to marry from their own tribe if they so prefer..


                ..that said, we gotta marry those whom we find more suitable in deen/ character

                Islam has not put any restrictions on it, why should we..?
                It’s a known fact that certain families are more religious and others are not.
                Islam not putting a restriction doesn’t mean it’s definitively encouraged.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by m7md View Post

                  If this was the case then this wouldn’t have been the topic here so often, in fact it has always been one of the most critical elements of marriage.

                  and honestly why would a women of a prestigious family marry a man from a lower status, ask any woman and they will tell you.

                  now wishful thinking is something else.
                  Again, you are projecting your own ideas onto everyone else.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

                    Again, you are projecting your own ideas onto everyone else.
                    I’m not injecting any idea, i’m stating proven facts.
                    mans this is the reason why there was even a need to make this thread.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by m7md View Post

                      I’m not injecting any idea, i’m stating proven facts.
                      mans this is the reason why there was even a need to make this thread.
                      I said projecting, not injecting. You should take a few minutes to read and process information properly before responding.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Abu 'Abdullaah View Post

                        I said projecting, not injecting. You should take a few minutes to read and process information properly before responding.
                        It’s autocorrect, anyhow, anything else that you can spot in my writing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by m7md View Post

                          It’s a known fact that certain families are more religious and others are not.
                          Islam not putting a restriction doesn’t mean it’s definitively encouraged.
                          You marry the family and not just the spouse is a cultural take not Islamic.

                          If people were to strictly go by what you're saying then reverts wouldn't be able to marry born Muslims.

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                          • #14
                            AFAIK tribes or clans will largely share the same race and similiar culture wrt food, dress, customs etc so I'm not sure of the reason why one would view intermarriage between them as a big no no. What are the huge incompatibilities?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by m7md View Post

                              It’s autocorrect, anyhow, anything else that you can spot in my writing.
                              Projecting got autocorrected to injecting? Sure.

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